Tempers Flare Over School Prayers In Toronto

gerryh

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So long as that school allows Bingo in the evening....I don't see any kind of problem...


Since it's not a Catholic school, there is the possibility that it would.
 

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I never said it was.

I misread then terms of engagement - By terms then what is good for one religion is good for all?

As to Muslims separating men & women during prayer that is part of their religion, it is up to them to change that. A reformation that Europe went thru was bloody as hell.

But sitting on my deck sipping my coffee, I wondered how Muslims prayed when Allah was alive. Were men and women separated then or did they pray together as a group. If they did in his time why did it change?
 

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So long as that school allows Bingo in the evening....I don't see any kind of problem...
I can't find any references to "religious" groups being given space, after hours to hold bingo, in public schools.

I can several references to a good number of Catholic schools, being used, after hours, for bingo.
 

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I misread then terms of engagement - By terms then what is good for one religion is good for all?
Yep.

As to Muslims separating men & women during prayer that is part of their religion, it is up to them to change that. A reformation that Europe went thru was bloody as hell.
Just one more reason not to convert to Islam. Women are not chattel.

If they did in his time why did it change?
Misogyny.
 

karrie

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Sorry Karrie, can't agree.

The non Christians have set the terms of engagement.

We should abide them, one and all.

No. We shouldn't. Where we see an injustice we should say as much, and explain why. We shouldn't just sit silently by because the people who declared the war and set the terms don't like that we don't think like them in all manners. And we shouldn't have to sterilize ourselves before going out in public so that we don't offend their ubersecularist sensibilities. If a religious person wants to wear a cross or say a prayer it should not preclude them from accessing the public infrastructure their taxes have paid for. And where it's reasonable for said infrastructure to accomodate its community, it ought to. This country could use with a little less sterilization.
 

karrie

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I can't find any references to "religious" groups being given space, after hours to hold bingo, in public schools.

I can several references to a good number of Catholic schools, being used, after hours, for bingo.

Which ones!? Don't tell the church... eep!
 

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No. We shouldn't.
Why not? Isn't abiding by the demands of those that believe differently than the ancestral religious foundations of our fair country, the most sincere way of saying welcome?

Where we see an injustice we should say as much, and explain why.
It's been explained. Christian services in public schools, no. Muslim services in public, yes.

We shouldn't just sit silently by because the people who declared the war and set the terms don't like that we don't think like them in all manners.
Somebody declared war?

And we shouldn't have to sterilize ourselves before going out in public so that we don't offend their ubersecularist sensibilities.
How is one rule of law, fro all, being ubersecularist?

If a religious person wants to wear a cross or say a prayer it should not preclude them from accessing the public infrastructure their taxes have paid for.
I agree.

But that is nothing like removing a specific group from regular classes, and giving the religion access to a space, no other religion has the same access to.

And where it's reasonable for said infrastructure to accomodate its community, it ought to.
No it shouldn't. That's the rules. Non Christians have made that abundantly clear.

This country could use with a little less sterilization.
And a whole lot less hypocrisy.

Which ones!? Don't tell the church... eep!
In and around the greater Toronto area. I have no idea how the articles are, I just googled, looking for references.
 

karrie

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Somebody declared war?

But that is nothing like removing a specific group from regular classes, and giving the religion access to a space, no other religion has the same access to.

And a whole lot less hypocrisy.

In and around the greater Toronto area. I have no idea how the articles are, I just googled, looking for references.

You said 'terms of engagement', I followed your metaphor.

I agree, we could use less hypocrisy. If the Muslims can pray in school, so can everyone else. If people use the space responsibly, what's the issue? It's not class prayer, it's not curriculum, it's not coming out of the public coffer, what's the issue?
 

gerryh

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You said 'terms of engagement', I followed your metaphor.

I agree, we could use less hypocrisy. If the Muslims can pray in school, so can everyone else. If people use the space responsibly, what's the issue? It's not class prayer, it's not curriculum, it's not coming out of the public coffer, what's the issue?


I told you karrie, the issue is that they are MUSLIM. Regardless of what people here say, that IS the whole problem. The comments made by protesters about suicide bombers etc is the proof in the pudding.
 

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You said 'terms of engagement', I followed your metaphor.
No, you took it an extra step.

They set the terms of engagement, confrontational, NO Christian or pseudo Christian affectation on public property.

BUT!

When it suits them, it's OK.

I agree, we could use less hypocrisy. If the Muslims can pray in school, so can everyone else.
Then I hope we'll see several billions of dollars in class action suits levied against the TDSB, for discrimination for the past 20 years.

If people use the space responsibly, what's the issue?
It isn't reasonable, when only one religion is allowed to do it.

It's not class prayer, it's not curriculum, it's not coming out of the public coffer, what's the issue?
It's on public property, during classes, which means the tax payer is paying for hydro, and the facility.

Non Christians, have made it perfectly clear, that is not acceptable.
 

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I told you karrie, the issue is that they are MUSLIM. Regardless of what people here say, that IS the whole problem. The comments made by protesters about suicide bombers etc is the proof in the pudding.

You are just as bad as those that yelled obscenities - You are trying to tar all with one brush - Again a post rating of Worthless Tripe and pure unadulterated bigotry on your part.
 

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I told you karrie, the issue is that they are MUSLIM. Regardless of what people here say, that IS the whole problem.
Besides Goober nailing you square on the head....

That is the weak way out of actually having to debate the topic.

Way to go EAO.