After 9-11: Can the West Defeat Radical Islam?

lone wolf

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There were firefighters in building seven. they fought all day because the building didn't fall until it fell at 5 PM +/- and they were told to leave.

Aren't sprinklers code in NYC? Why wasn't there pressure? Until after 100 pumpers, ladders and SAR teams arrived the sprinklers would have been working just fine.

That sort of fire would have set off thousands of them from heat alone pre-soaking surrounding areas of the fires.
Sprinklers are code. They're useless when the water goes out - and those mains aren't very far down.
 

MHz

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You must be devoid of the ability to comprehend any subtext.

Try to reread the post, and see if you can grasp the significance of the 'set them up manufacturing electronics' bit...if you try really, really hard, you might be able to actually understand it.
"Here's the plan. We drop a bomb on one, no wait.. two prominent cities. For the sake of argument let's say Damascus and Tehran. Then once we get their unconditional surrender ......"

So why did you miss those parts of the post if you are so observant, answer your 'colored glasses' can see no wrong in what some say, such as the above quote, and everything I say is wrong just because you don't like me because of my opposition to certain things you are all in favor of. Can you comprehend that??
 

mentalfloss

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Thank god I am gone for the weekend.

Hopefully the 9-11 crap is gone by early next week.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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"Here's the plan. We drop a bomb on one, no wait.. two prominent cities. For the sake of argument let's say Damascus and Tehran. Then once we get their unconditional surrender ......"

So why did you miss those parts of the post if you are so observant, answer your 'colored glasses' can see no wrong in what some say, such as the above quote, and everything I say is wrong just because you don't like me because of my opposition to certain things you are all in favor of. Can you comprehend that??

Yes TenPenny is always defending me.

Read it again and then google it yuh crazy kid.
 

talloola

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actually the answer to the big problem between west and east is 'tolerance', and I do believe that because
we in the west have so many different denominations of religion, we have learned to be tolerant, and
accept 'all' into our societies, BUT the the middle east isn't tolerant at all, and continue to condemn
the west, in the religious sense, and it seems they will never change.

we can only wait and hope that they change within their own borders, by the young generations who grow
up with more knowledge and interest in 'everyone' on earth, and are not living with the tunnel vision
and blind obedience of their parents and grandparents, but their revolutions will take generations and
much blood will be shed within their own borders, and the change will be slow.

a simple plan by a group of thugs to fly airplanes into buildings worked better than any billion dollar
bombing, and changed the world forever. A pure wakeup call as to how damage can be done by anyone who
gets an original idea and sees it through.

thanks to bin laden, now the west can use its 'thinking' power much better than before, and be more aware.

the trick is 'not' to defeat anyone, but create an atmosphere 'where' they think twice, (which I think
they are allready doing) before making threats or blowing up buildings, and secondly, if the republicans
take power in the white house, 'tone' it down, and don't wave your fists so much, 'think' first.

The U.S. have lots of support around the world, including from us canadians, and we all have to support
each other in any efforts to stay safe, but at the same time, understand the narrow thinking of the middle
east, and have more tolerance than they do, that is a strength in itself.

Bin Laden had 'no' particular reason to blow up buildings, he just did. He had many problems which he had created
himself, within his own country of saudi arabia, he was a pouting arabian, who's country didn't want him.
I think he was trying to prove to his own kind, how they should take notice of him, pay attention to him,
respect him, like a child trying to get the attention of his parents by doing something so rash, that they
finally 'really' look at him.
 

MHz

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Or just taking a pot-shot at me, I would have to check to see if she jumps to your defense often. That ain't going to happen so I'll let your comment stand as being correct.

The g00gle part came up with a number of about 14 million people, some solution.

BUT the the middle east isn't tolerant at all, and continue to condemn
the west, in the religious sense, and it seems they will never change.
For the sake of argument lets say Iran doesn't like the 'West" because of the way the "West' ran their Nation in the time from '53-'79.
Lets see how the West feels about that method once we have been subject to the same 'rule' for just as long. Cutting them a fat check for a few trillion might ease the resentment for political wrongs and how did the Christians in the West justify that sort of behavior in the first palce?
 

wulfie68

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I would say that recent events seem to indicate that radical Islam is well on the way to being defeated by other Muslims. Iran will be next. You cannot educate a population, give it the technical tools to gain access to non-government media and organize protests and not expect it to fail. The question is will it go relatively quietly as in the case of Egypt or will there have to be a mass uprising followed by considerable bloodshed as in the case of Libya and Syria? For the most part extremist Islamic elements are a small minority in almost all Muslim nations. That is why the largest number of Muslim terrorist attacks occur in Muslim nations. The only way Muslim extremists can get anyone to support their outdated views is to kill and terrorize those who disagree with them. Fortunately, such a strategy has limited success at best.

I agree with you in part, and hope you're correct but I just don't know...

We are dealing with populations that have a historical grievance against us going back almost 1000 years: many muslims still view the West as "the Franks" who brought war and devastation to them, who slaughtered all in their path and tried to force them away from their religion and convert them to Christianity. We can argue that historically, they are taking a fairly slanted view (they seem to want to forget about the muslim invasions of Christendom, both in the West by the "Moors" (the Iberian Peninsula and even into France and Italy) and the East by the Turks (the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire) but thats the kind of debate scholars indulge in, not ordinary people who are struggling to survive. Add in the later historical exploitation and colonization of other areas that are now muslim, in Africa and the Middle East, and that resentment grows. The propaganda machines on both sides are extremely powerful, and Western involvement in the formation of modern Israel is spun to support the anti-Western view, very effectively, even to those educated younger and more secular citizens of the muslim nations. To many muslims, even some of those living in our societies, we are still the same armoured barbarians that slaughtered pretty much everyone they found when "we" captured Acre, Jerusalem and other cities in the 11th and 12th centuries...
 

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Or just taking a pot-shot at me, I would have to check to see if she jumps to your defense often. That ain't going to happen so I'll let your comment stand as being correct.

The g00gle part came up with a number of about 14 million people, some solution.

She?

Blinders on.
 

Colpy

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There were firefighters in building seven. they fought all day because the building didn't fall until it fell at 5 PM +/- and they were told to leave.

Aren't sprinklers code in NYC? Why wasn't there pressure? Until after 100 pumpers, ladders and SAR teams arrived the sprinklers would have been working just fine.

That sort of fire would have set off thousands of them from heat alone pre-soaking surrounding areas of the fires.

Go read for yourself.

7 World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Google is a wonderful thing.
 

MHz

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Are you claiming 'his' post was accurate or did 'he' ignore the parts I posted?
Advocating the death of 14 million people is hardly the way to find a peaceful solution, or is killing untold innocents something only the West can do with impunity as proven in all the various wars and such that NATO has been involved in over the last few decades?
 

darkbeaver

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Thank god I am gone for the weekend.

Hopefully the 9-11 crap is gone by early next week.

ever see or hear such sick propaganda so frequently repeated? I havent soo I'm sure the lids and suits are scared pissless, they all sence the end of their god times their next ride will be to the prisons they built themselves. I am submitting my design to the chopping block selection committee. 911, inside job of the century. Litmus test for brains.
 

EagleSmack

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ever see or hear such sick propaganda so frequently repeated? I havent soo I'm sure the lids and suits are scared pissless, they all sence the end of their god times their next ride will be to the prisons they built themselves. I am submitting my design to the chopping block selection committee. 911, inside job of the century. Litmus test for brains.

The end of "god times". lol

Beaver=lol