Baptism

[petros]

Not one mention of annointing?

 

[In Between Man]

According to your revisionist sect of Chistianity; which is commonly practised by hillbillys in bingohalls.

The world is only 6000 thousand years old ya know? True story

"Revisionist"? How is Christianity different today than the 1st century?

Serves no useful purpose. I'm not pleased with my parents decision to have my baptized or their attempt to indoctrinate me with fairy tales. They failed miserably.

What triggered you believe the bible is false when you read around age 10? I also read the bible around the same age and recognized it as truth.

As it hasn't been established that we have an "eternity", you are in danger of basing your opinion on a false premise! :icon_smile:

You don't believe in eternity? The bible says every person will receive either eternal life or eternal punishment.

No, but that is the trouble with religion; they believe in dogma more than the book. As soon as you believe that a book written by men is actually the "Word of God" you have lost the purpose for the book having been written in the first place.

So God is incapable of inspiring the words through the author? He created the universe ya know...

Not one mention of annointing?

Different subject than salvation or baptism.

 

[TenPenny]

You don't believe in eternity? The bible says every person will receive either eternal life or eternal punishment.

I've honestly never understood why people claim that the bible is an authority on things...because the bible says it is.

I suppose it's like a salesman - repeat something often enough, people believe it.

If you're happy believing this stuff, that's good for you. Just don't expect others to believe it just because you do.

 

[In Between Man]

If you're happy believing this stuff, that's good for you. Just don't expect others to believe it just because you do.

I don't want people to believe it just because I do. I want people to believe it because they recognize it as the truth, and realize they need to be saved. The historical fact is that Jesus walked the earth and died on the cross. You have every right to reject it. From my perspective your rejection means that you won't be able to explore the universe with me in eternity - and that's sad.

 

[Tonington]

You could look at it as hedging your bet too: if the Christians are right and something happens, she's covered...

Too many hedges...Christian, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, various folk religions, Shinto, Sikh, Jainism...and all the others I haven't listed or are no longer practiced.

Yep, you have to keep an open mind when reading things like Jonah surviving for three days and three nights in the whale's belly.

Or the alleged age of Noah, nine hundred and fifty years!

 

[TenPenny]

The historical fact is that Jesus walked the earth and died on the cross.

I'll agree that Jesus walked the earth, but the rest of what you say is not historical fact, it's more like hysterical belief.

 

[JLM]

bible says[/B] every person will receive either eternal life or eternal punishment.



So God is incapable of inspiring the words through the author? He created the universe ya know...



Different subject than salvation or baptism.

"Bible says" a lot of things, actually a bunch of old shepherds and fisherman said.............ever compare several accounts of events by a bunch of witnesses? Cliff made a good point about a lot of it being allegory and metaphors, and I suppose the world being 5000 years old falls into that description .............."a day is to 1000 years as 1000 years is to a day".

 

[gerryh]

"Bible says" a lot of things, actually a bunch of old shepherds and fisherman said.............ever compare several accounts of events by a bunch of witnesses? Cliff made a good point about a lot of it being allegory and metaphors, and I suppose the world being 5000 years old falls into that description .............."a day is to 1000 years as 1000 years is to a day".

Alley's problem is he is too closed minded and bigoted. It's his way or the eternal lake of fire.

 

[JLM]

Too many hedges...Christian, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, various folk religions, Shinto, Sikh, Jainism...and all the others I haven't listed or are no longer practiced.



Or the alleged age of Noah, nine hundred and fifty years!

That's nuthin' compared to Methuselah........................969 years young at his demise! :lol:

I don't want people to believe it just because I do. I want people to believe it because they recognize it as the truth, and realize they need to be saved. The historical fact is that Jesus walked the earth and died on the cross. You have every right to reject it. From my perspective your rejection means that you won't be able to explore the universe with me in eternity - and that's sad.

That part isn't a problem, it's the water that stymies me! :lol:

 

[Tonington]

That's nuthin' compared to Methuselah........................969 years young at his demise! :lol:

That race of men must have went extinct. Hard to imagine, with all the children they could have produced.

 

[JLM]

That race of men must have went extinct. Hard to imagine, with all the children they could have produced.[/QUOTE

Actually that lends credibility to it, with all the people dying from the likes of leprosy, pestulence, famine, fire, flood, eaten by wild animals etc. etc. a long life was required to produce enough surviving heirs to prolong the race! :lol:

 

[Cliffy]

"Revisionist"? How is Christianity different today than the 1st century?

The bible wasn't put together until the 4th century. In the 1st century, Christians did not believe in the divinity of Christ because Christ was a state of consciousness that could be achieved by anyone, achieving oneness with the divine, a teaching borrowed from the Hindus (I believe - I have forgotten more than I remember about this stuff).

 

[JLM]

The bible wasn't put together until the 4th century. In the 1st century, Christians did not believe in the divinity of Christ because Christ was a state of consciousness that could be achieved by anyone, achieving oneness with the divine, a teaching borrowed from the Hindus (I believe - I have forgotten more than I remember about this stuff).

Which is probably a good indication of how valid it was in the first place! :lol:

The bible wasn't put together until the 4th century. In the 1st century, Christians did not believe in the divinity of Christ because Christ was a state of consciousness that could be achieved by anyone, achieving oneness with the divine, a teaching borrowed from the Hindus (I believe - I have forgotten more than I remember about this stuff).

Hey Cliff, I think I just figured out the Whale metaphor, just goes to prove how long some people can live in the dark! :lol:

 

[Cliffy]

Which is probably a good indication of how valid it was in the first place! :lol:

Interests change and stuff that is no longer important tends to make way for new stuff that is.

Hey Cliff, I think I just figured out the Whale metaphor, just goes to prove how long some people can live in the dark! :lol:

Or that belief in dogma is so much whale barf.

 

[gerryh]

Which is probably a good indication of how valid it was in the first place! :lol:



Hey Cliff, I think I just figured out the Whale metaphor, just goes to prove how long some people can live in the dark! :lol:

In other words, your interest in an honest answer was feigned and this thread was just another troll.

 

[JLM]

In other words, your interest in an honest answer was feigned and this thread was just another troll.

Why wouldn't I be interested in an honest answer? What thread isn't a "troll"? :lol::lol::lol:

 

[Tonington]

Actually that lends credibility to it, with all the people dying from the likes of leprosy, pestulence, famine, fire, flood, eaten by wild animals etc. etc. a long life was required to produce enough surviving heirs to prolong the race! :lol:

Except nobody lives to be almost a thousand years old...so like I said, that race must have went extinct. Living long would mean surviving all of those pressures, and thus the progeny would have that longevity trait.

 

[Ariadne]

How many people here haven't actually been baptised? I haven't been baptised, but when I was growing up ... and even sometimes now ... people react with some sort of silent horror as though convinced that my soul will burn in hell. Is there anyone else here that hasn't been baptised, or who hasn't baptised their children or seen their grandchildren baptised?

It's all fine and well to poke fun at the practice, but it seems to be a rather common practice ... so wouldn't that imply that any people secretly adhere to the practice, even if they openly ridicule it?

 

[SLM]

How many people here haven't actually been baptised? I haven't been baptised, but when I was growing up ... and even sometimes now ... people react with some sort of silent horror as though convinced that my soul will burn in hell. Is there anyone else here that hasn't been baptised, or who hasn't baptised their children or seen their grandchildren baptised?

It's all fine and well to poke fun at the practice, but it seems to be a rather common practice ... so wouldn't that imply that any people secretly adhere to the practice, even if they openly ridicule it?

I didn't baptise my children. But I don't poke fun at the practice. I simply didn't do it because I felt it would have been hypocritical.

 

[Ariadne]

I didn't baptise my children. But I don't poke fun at the practice. I simply didn't do it because I felt it would have been hypocritical.

My parents didn't baptise my siblings or me because they thought we should make our own religious decisions ... but I suspect most people over the age of 40, born in Canada, are baptised.