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Cite proof please.

The West Bank:
About half a million Israelis now live in 236 settlements: 124 authorized settlements, 100 unauthorized outposts, and 12 neighborhoods on land that Israel annexed to Jerusalem. The transfer of 43 percent of the area of the West Bank to control of the settlements has prevented the development of Palestinian communities, especially those in the Jordan Valley and in the southern Hebron hills. Israeli control of land, along with its control of the Israeli-Palestinian joint water sources prevents the development of Palestinian agriculture, the major sector in the Palestinian economy.
Alongside welcome, albeit limited, improvements, B'Tselem warns that so long as the settlement enterprise and the siege on Gaza continue, there will be no real improvement in human rights | B'Tselem

Supreme Court backs Jews-only housing in Jaffa neighborhood
Court rejects appeal by Jaffa residents, human rights groups challenging leasing land to company specializing in housing for religious Zionist community.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...s-only-housing-in-jaffa-neighborhood-1.323421


Jerusalem Ethnic Cleansing Tour
...The tour began by taking in Nof Zion, a brand new settlement constructed on the Palestinian side of the green line. But to look at the marketing of the properties, mainly targeting wealthy US-based retirees, you wouldn’t have a clue. The authorities have gone to great lengths to make the whole area look established and well groomed, with the beautiful Tolerance Park constructed nearby on the site of a Palestinian cemetery. The whole area looks just like another well-appointed West Jerusalem suburb and you would have no idea, unless you researched it, that this was an illegal construction under international law. The neighbouring Palestinian neighbourhoods, in stark contrast are run down, without pavements, garbage collection or other basic services such as policing. Beautiful views of Jerusalem and of the “separation wall” can be seen from Nof Zion, shown below.
http://jfjfp.com/?p=1112
 

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The West Bank:


Jerusalem Ethnic Cleansing Tour
Not germain to the request. States nothing about Jewish only neighbourhoods.
Supreme Court backs Jews-only housing in Jaffa neighborhood
Court rejects appeal by Jaffa residents, human rights groups challenging leasing land to company specializing in housing for religious Zionist community.
Supreme Court backs Jews-only housing in Jaffa neighborhood - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
In your zealous rush to try and one up me, you missed this...

The petitioners said the decision was discriminatory, because it would exclude anyone other than members of the religious Zionist community from purchasing an apartment in the complex, which is situated in a neighborhood where a majority of the residents are Arab.
The original post I quoted, stated that there were Jewish only NEIGHBOURHOODS. Not privately owned complexes, in Arab majority neighbourhoods. I asked for proof of your claim of Jewish only neighbourhoods.

We have full blown communities where you must over 55 to purchase property, here in Canada.

What you have erroneously tried to pass off as some sort of Israeli wrong doing, isn't illegal, here, or there. Because the land in question, is private property.
 

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Funny thing about how Egypt and the other Arab countries started the 1967 war. Apparently they allowed the Israelis to bomb their airfields and take out their air forces before inviting the Israelis to invade and occupy most of the region.
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Makes about as much sense as claiming that someone started a fight by punching someone's fist with their face.
 

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Funny thing about how Egypt and the other Arab countries started the 1967 war. Apparently they allowed the Israelis to bomb their airfields and take out their air forces before inviting the Israelis to invade and occupy most of the region.
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Makes about as much sense as claiming that someone started a fight by punching someone's fist with their face.
If you want to win you strike first. We do not expect you to understand what winning is or the concept of winning. Every country around Israel was preparing for war.

By your standards Egypt must have started Operation Badr or Plan Badr was the code name for the Egyptian military operation to cross the Suez Canal and seize the Bar-Lev Line of Israeli fortifications on October 6, 1973. Nobody spoke out and accused them of anything, except losing againby the way, it was a brilliant plan at first.

I would stop making up terms to exagerate yout thinking. I wish I could show you what ethnic cleansing really is, I'll let you look it up if you really want to.

 

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Funny thing about how Egypt and the other Arab countries started the 1967 war. Apparently they allowed the Israelis to bomb their airfields and take out their air forces before inviting the Israelis to invade and occupy most of the region.
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Makes about as much sense as claiming that someone started a fight by punching someone's fist with their face.

Yeah... when there was a massed build up or infantry and armored divisions along the border coupled with the sea blockade and the rhetoric that the end of Israel is finally here... they figured they better act than allow their extermination.

Feb 22, 1967
“it is the duty of all of us now to move from defensive positions to offensive positions and enter the battle to liberate the usurped land…Everyone must face the test and enter the battle to the end.” - President Attassi of Syria

May 1967
“The Zionist barrack in Palestine is about to collapse and be destroyed. Every one of the hundred million Arabs has been living for the past nineteen years on one hope – to live to see the day Israel is liquidated…There is no life, no peace nor hope for the gangs of Zionism to remain in the occupied land.”
“As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel….The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence”. - Cairo Radio’s Voice of the Arabs broadcast


“Egypt has decided to terminate the presence of the United Nations Emergency Force from the territory of the United Arab Republic and Gaza Strip. Therefore I request that the necessary steps be taken for the withdrawal of the Force as soon as possible.” - Egyptian ambassador Kony informs U Thant - U.N. A/6730/Add.3 26th June 1967

“Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse any aggression, but to initiate the act ourselves, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland of Palestine. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united. I believe that the time has come to begin a battle of anihilation.”- Syria’s Defence Minister Hafez Assad (later to be Syria’s President).

"Taking over Sharm el Sheikh meant confrontation with Israel (and) also meant that we were ready to enter a general war with Israel. The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel” - Gamal Abdel Nasser speech to the General Council of the International Confederation of Arab Trade Unions


“We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference


"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel ... to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not of more declarations." - Gamal Abdel Nasser speech
 

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The Japanese used the same tactic (sudden massive attack without warning) against the US on the morning of December 7, 1941. Do you also support that surprise attack or just Israeli ones?

Also, putting soldiers on your side of the border is not an act of war. Sending soldiers across the border to bomb airfields and kill people is an act of war.

BTW, I'm not criticizing Israel's military tactics. I'm criticizing Colpy's incorrect description of that war's start. As far as I'm concerned, the Arabs and the Americans are being sore losers. The Arabs (in 1967) and Americans (in 1941) made serious tactical errors, which were exploited by the Israelis (in 1967) and Japanese (in 1941).

Colpy also mentions "Then you saw REAL ethnic cleansing, with over 750,000 Jews evicted from Arab countries."

That is an inaccurate description of Arab Jews who sold their belongings and immigrated to Israel voluntarily. But if you are going to broaden the definition of ethnic cleansing to include voluntary emigration, then why stop with just Arab countries C? Lots of Jews sold their belongings and immigrated voluntarily to Israel from Canada, the US, South America... That would make Canada and many other countries guilty of Colpy's broad definition of "ethnic cleansing" and the total number of "evicted" Jews would be much bigger.

I know people have short memories, but Colpy should be old enough to remember the contemporary Zionist usage of "Let our people go!" It refers to countries that blocked Jewish emigration to Israel. some of these countries were Arab. Not only were Arab Jews free to stay, in some cases it was illegal for them to try to leave. That's how some Arab Jews lost their property. You can read about how Zionists helped Jews escape Arab countries for yourself:
One of the largest waves of immigration of the 20th century was the
exodus of Jews to Israel after World War II. Nearly 700,000 came from 70
countries between 1947 and 1951...
http://www.jewishreview.org/node/6921

BTW, I am against laws which restrict personal freedoms, including the right to emigrate. Jews who lost their property in this manner are victims of discriminatory laws, but not victims of ethnic cleansing. I agree that they should be compensated.

Context regarding Jewish emigration from Arab countries might also be helpful to understand why so many Jews emigrated from Arab countries during this time. Many Arab countries were in a state of war with the Zionist State of Israel. Zionist Jews in Arab countries found themselves stuck betweena rock and a hard place. Those Zionist Jews who materially supported or volunteered to fight with Zionists against their own country faced "discrimination" the same way Canada "discriminates" against Canadian Muslims who materially support or volunteer to fight with insurgent movements in Afghanistan against Canadian soldiers. Here in Canada we call that kind of discrimination "treason". Many Arabs viewed Zionist Arab Jews along the same way many Canadian view the Khadr family. Many Arabs who lost friends and family in the 1948 Zionist ethnic cleansing war needed little convincing to hate Jewish neighbors who sent money to help buy arms for Zionists and volunteered to kill their friends and family. Some Arab countries convicted a few Jewish citizens of treason and material support for the enemy. I bet Colpy would agree with the harsh treatment of people who commit treason or materially support the enemy, except in the case of Zionist Arab Jews supporting Zionists. In that case, punishing people for treason and material support for the enemy would be Joo-hating anti-Semitism.

BTW, I am not claiming all Arab Jews committed treason and none were victims. While most Arab Jews were sympathetic to Zionist goals, and many young Arab Jews fought alongside the Zionists against their own country, not all of them gave money or volunteered to fight against their own country. Fewer still openly expressed support for Zionist tactics which included assassinations and slaughtering entire villages like the Deir Yassin massacre. Unfortunately these innocent Arab Jews became the target of irrational fear and hate. (Not so different than the way many Westerners including Canadians irrationally hate and fear innocent Muslims today) Unlike Canada, some of these countries passed discriminatory laws against Jews during the late 1940's and early 50's similar to the discriminatory laws Israel has today against non-Jews. Similar to the way Israel treats their Arab citizens, many Arab countries also treated their Jewish citizens as second class citizens, stole Jewish property and even practiced forced assimilation like Canada did to children of First Nation peoples. I would agree that these Jews are ethnic cleansing victims and deserve compensation. For many Arab Jews, moving to Israel and getting a fully furnished Palestinian home should be considered fair compensation. All they had to do was put the former owner's family portraits out with the trash and move in. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who lost their homes and property due to Zionist ethnic cleansing have not received any compensation unlike Jewish ethnic cleansing victims. Zionists should have to compensate their ethnic cleansing victims. I also feel that any country which practiced ethnic cleansing against their Jewish citizens and stole Jewish property should also have to help compensate Zionist ethnic cleansing victims, in lieu of their victims having already been compensated by Zionists. But people who sell their belongings and move to another country are immigrants and not ethnic cleansing victims as erroneously portrayed by Colpy.
 
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In the past month alone, Israeli lawmakers have introduced a series of bills that aim to marginalize Arabs.
Rabbis in a northern town have urged followers not to rent homes to Arabs. Extremist Jews marched through this town and set off a violent riot.


Jewish-Arab relations in Israel hit boiling point

No oppression though, right Colpy? :lol:
 

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The Japanese used the same tactic (sudden massive attack without warning) against the US on the morning of December 7, 1941. Do you also support that surprise attack or just Israeli ones?

IF we were surrounding Japan with a massive military build up and threatening them as the Arab nations were threatening Israel I'd say that a first attack by Japan would have been justified.

Alas we were in no position to threaten Japan and the Japanese had to sail a long way to attack the fleet as it sat completely at rest.

Also, putting soldiers on your side of the border is not an act of war. Sending soldiers across the border to bomb airfields and kill people is an act of war.

A blockade is certainly an act of war. And yes, a first strike is an act of war and Israel chose not to wait and give up the initiative. Afterall, this was going to be a war that would decide their annihilation.

BTW, I'm not criticizing Israel's military tactics. I'm criticizing Colpy's incorrect description of that war's start. As far as I'm concerned, the Arabs and the Americans are being sore losers. The Arabs (in 1967) and Americans (in 1941) made serious tactical errors, which were exploited by the Israelis (in 1967) and Japanese (in 1941).

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We're sore losers? I think we won that war. Do you disagree?
 

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Funny thing about how Egypt and the other Arab countries started the 1967 war. Apparently they allowed the Israelis to bomb their airfields and take out their air forces before inviting the Israelis to invade and occupy most of the region.
Six-Day War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Makes about as much sense as claiming that someone started a fight by punching someone's fist with their face.

What you don't understand is the military realities of tiny Israel.

Egypt, in 1967, had a population of 33 million, and a professional military. They were allied with Jordan and Syria. When Egypt began moving troops (to the tune of 100,000) into Sinai.....and Jordan and Syria both began to mass troops against the Israeli border, Israel had no choice but to mobilize.....

Israel has no large professional army.........to mobilize against the overwhelming force arrayed against it, she calls up practically every male between the ages of 18 and 45. The nation comes to a grinding halt. Israel can NOT mobilize and stay that way........she must mobilize and strike.

As well, Israel is tiny. To let the enemy cross your borders in her state is suicide.

The better analogy is a little guy cornered and threatened by three huge aggressive gangbangers......you blame him for striking first?

To their chagrin, the little guy turns out to be a kung fu master....lol
 

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I hate parades so I'm going to piss all over this one, especially the clowns. If you want to bring up the past then Jews got what they deserved in Europe and the Arabs got what they deserved in the Six Days war.

They are both assholes and anyone that supports an asshole is an asshole.
 
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The Japanese used the same tactic (sudden massive attack without warning) against the US on the morning of December 7, 1941. Do you also support that surprise attack or just Israeli ones?

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There was no impending attack from the USA on Japan. There was no overwhelming and threatening American military presence sitting on Japan's border.

I If you want to bring up the past then Jews got what they deserved in Europe.

....then the Hunkies got what they deserved from Stalin, huh????

Pull your head out of your arse.
 

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Colpy also mentions "Then you saw REAL ethnic cleansing, with over 750,000 Jews evicted from Arab countries."

That is an inaccurate description of Arab Jews who sold their belongings and immigrated to Israel voluntarily. .

That is BS, Earth as One, and you know it.

The Arab nations began a program of persecution of Jews......seized property, banned emigration, Oh just

WHY DO I BOTHER???

Put it this way, in pretending the Arab pogrom against its Jewish populations DID NOT happen, you let the mask slip, and reveal the real Jew-hater inside.

Do some research, you are making a damn fool of yourself.
 

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They were little angels running around like the Arabs?

No, they weren't running around like Arabs.

The were contributing good things to a disproportionate degree to a European society that had hated them for over 1,000 years, stolen from them, restricted them to ghettoes and pales of residence, and regularly engaged in senseless orgies of murder against them.

YOU are the reason Zionism is only good sense.
 

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The hateful **** that comes out of your mouth parallels any ****ing Nazi.

Why does it make good sense Colpy?

Simple.

You hate Jews......or are willing to justify the mass murder of same..... "The Jews of Europe deserved it" Unfortunately, you are not alone. After enduring 1,000 years of murder that the people of Europe either excused or enthusiastically participated in, any fool could see the only solution was create your own nation, arm yourself to the ****ing teeth, and perform a tap dance on the face of anyone that goes up against you.

That is called Zionism.

That is called survival.