Not all Jews are Zionists

petros

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You realize when he Quran speaks of people who will not access to the garden, they are those who have ****ed up personally and not the entire scope of Jews and Christians?

Why do I have to explain your own book to you?
 

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You realize when he Quran speaks of people who will not access to the garden, they are those who have ****ed up personally and not the entire scope of Jews and Christians?

Why do I have to explain your own book to you?
Remeber what I was saying about reality and objectivity?

That should answer your question.
 

eanassir

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[The Jews] knowingly perverted [the word ofAllah], know of nothing except lies ... commit evil and become engrossed insin. [Surah II, v. 71-85]


These are the ayat 2:74- 101 and their explanation in summary, which will be against you in theafterlife, if you don’t believe:

ثُمَّ قَسَتْ قُلُوبُكُم مِّن بَعْدِ ذَلِكَ فَهِيَ كَالْحِجَارَةِأَوْ أَشَدُّ قَسْوَةً وَإِنَّ مِنَ الْحِجَارَةِ لَمَا يَتَفَجَّرُ مِنْهُالأَنْهَارُ وَإِنَّ مِنْهَا لَمَا يَشَّقَّقُ فَيَخْرُجُ مِنْهُ الْمَاء وَإِنَّمِنْهَا لَمَا يَهْبِطُ مِنْ خَشْيَةِ اللّهِ وَمَا اللّهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّاتَعْمَلُونَ

أَفَتَطْمَعُونَ أَن يُؤْمِنُواْ لَكُمْ وَقَدْ كَانَ فَرِيقٌمِّنْهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ كَلاَمَ اللّهِ ثُمَّ يُحَرِّفُونَهُ مِن بَعْدِ مَاعَقَلُوهُ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ

وَإِذَا لَقُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَالُواْ آمَنَّا وَإِذَاخَلاَ بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَىَ بَعْضٍ قَالُواْ أَتُحَدِّثُونَهُم بِمَا فَتَحَ اللّهُعَلَيْكُمْ لِيُحَآجُّوكُم بِهِ عِندَ رَبِّكُمْ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ

أَوَلاَ يَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّ اللّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا يُسِرُّونَوَمَا يُعْلِنُونَ

وَمِنْهُمْ أُمِّيُّونَ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ الْكِتَابَ إِلاَّأَمَانِيَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلاَّ يَظُنُّونَ

فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَـذَا مِنْ عِندِ اللّهِ لِيَشْتَرُواْ بِهِ ثَمَناً قَلِيلاًفَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُمْ مِّمَّايَكْسِبُونَ

وَقَالُواْ لَن تَمَسَّنَا النَّارُ إِلاَّ أَيَّاماًمَّعْدُودَةً قُلْ أَتَّخَذْتُمْ عِندَ اللّهِ عَهْدًا فَلَن يُخْلِفَ اللّهُعَهْدَهُ أَمْ تَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللّهِ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

بَلَى مَن كَسَبَ سَيِّئَةً وَأَحَاطَتْ بِهِ خَطِيـئَتُهُفَأُوْلَـئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ

وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ وَعَمِلُواْ الصَّالِحَاتِ أُولَـئِكَأَصْحَابُ الْجَنَّةِ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ

وَإِذْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ لاَ تَعْبُدُونَإِلاَّ اللّهَ وَبِالْوَالِدَيْنِ إِحْسَاناً وَذِي الْقُرْبَى وَالْيَتَامَىوَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَقُولُواْ لِلنَّاسِ حُسْناً وَأَقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتُواْالزَّكَاةَ ثُمَّ تَوَلَّيْتُمْ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً مِّنكُمْ وَأَنتُم مِّعْرِضُونَ

وَإِذْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَكُمْ لاَ تَسْفِكُونَ دِمَاءكُمْوَلاَ تُخْرِجُونَ أَنفُسَكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ ثُمَّ أَقْرَرْتُمْ وَأَنتُمْتَشْهَدُونَ

ثُمَّ أَنتُمْ هَـؤُلاء تَقْتُلُونَ أَنفُسَكُمْ وَتُخْرِجُونَفَرِيقاً مِّنكُم مِّن دِيَارِهِمْ تَظَاهَرُونَ عَلَيْهِم بِالإِثْمِوَالْعُدْوَانِ وَإِن يَأتُوكُمْ أُسَارَى تُفَادُوهُمْ وَهُوَ مُحَرَّمٌ عَلَيْكُمْإِخْرَاجُهُمْ أَفَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِبَعْضِ الْكِتَابِ وَتَكْفُرُونَ بِبَعْضٍ فَمَاجَزَاء مَن يَفْعَلُ ذَلِكَ مِنكُمْ إِلاَّ خِزْيٌ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَاوَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَى أَشَدِّ الْعَذَابِ وَمَا اللّهُبِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ

أُولَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ اشْتَرَوُاْ الْحَيَاةَ الدُّنْيَابِالآَخِرَةِ فَلاَ يُخَفَّفُ عَنْهُمُ الْعَذَابُ وَلاَ هُمْ يُنصَرُونَ

وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى الْكِتَابَ وَقَفَّيْنَا مِنبَعْدِهِ بِالرُّسُلِ وَآتَيْنَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَأَيَّدْنَاهُبِرُوحِ الْقُدُسِ أَفَكُلَّمَا جَاءكُمْ رَسُولٌ بِمَا لاَ تَهْوَى أَنفُسُكُمُاسْتَكْبَرْتُمْ فَفَرِيقاً كَذَّبْتُمْ وَفَرِيقاً تَقْتُلُونَ

وَقَالُواْ قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ بَل لَّعَنَهُمُ اللَّهبِكُفْرِهِمْ فَقَلِيلاً مَّا يُؤْمِنُونَ

وَلَمَّا جَاءهُمْ كِتَابٌ مِّنْ عِندِ اللّهِ مُصَدِّقٌلِّمَا مَعَهُمْ وَكَانُواْ مِن قَبْلُ يَسْتَفْتِحُونَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْفَلَمَّا جَاءهُم مَّا عَرَفُواْ كَفَرُواْ بِهِ فَلَعْنَةُ اللَّه عَلَىالْكَافِرِينَ

بِئْسَمَا اشْتَرَوْاْ بِهِ أَنفُسَهُمْ أَن يَكْفُرُواْ بِمَاأنَزَلَ اللّهُ بَغْياً أَن يُنَزِّلُ اللّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ عَلَى مَن يَشَاء مِنْعِبَادِهِ فَبَآؤُواْ بِغَضَبٍ عَلَى غَضَبٍ وَلِلْكَافِرِينَ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ آمِنُواْ بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ قَالُواْنُؤْمِنُ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَيَكْفُرونَ بِمَا وَرَاءهُ وَهُوَ الْحَقُّمُصَدِّقاً لِّمَا مَعَهُمْ قُلْ فَلِمَ تَقْتُلُونَ أَنبِيَاء اللّهِ مِن قَبْلُإِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ

وَلَقَدْ جَاءكُم مُّوسَى بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ اتَّخَذْتُمُالْعِجْلَ مِن بَعْدِهِ وَأَنتُمْ ظَالِمُونَ

وَإِذْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَكُمْ وَرَفَعْنَا فَوْقَكُمُالطُّورَ خُذُواْ مَا آتَيْنَاكُم بِقُوَّةٍ وَاسْمَعُواْ قَالُواْ سَمِعْنَاوَعَصَيْنَا وَأُشْرِبُواْ فِي قُلُوبِهِمُ الْعِجْلَ بِكُفْرِهِمْ قُلْ بِئْسَمَايَأْمُرُكُمْ بِهِ إِيمَانُكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ مُّؤْمِنِينَ

قُلْ إِن كَانَتْ لَكُمُ الدَّارُ الآَخِرَةُ عِندَ اللّهِخَالِصَةً مِّن دُونِ النَّاسِ فَتَمَنَّوُاْ الْمَوْتَ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ

وَلَن يَتَمَنَّوْهُ أَبَدًا بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْوَاللّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمينَ

وَلَتَجِدَنَّهُمْ أَحْرَصَ النَّاسِ عَلَى حَيَاةٍ وَمِنَالَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُواْ يَوَدُّ أَحَدُهُمْ لَوْ يُعَمَّرُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ وَمَاهُوَ بِمُزَحْزِحِهِ مِنَ الْعَذَابِ أَن يُعَمَّرَ وَاللّهُ بَصِيرٌ بِمَايَعْمَلُونَ

قُلْ مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّجِبْرِيلَ فَإِنَّهُ نَزَّلَهُعَلَى قَلْبِكَ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ مُصَدِّقاً لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَهُدًىوَبُشْرَى لِلْمُؤْمِنِينَ

مَن كَانَ عَدُوًّا لِّلّهِ وَمَلآئِكَتِهِ وَرُسُلِهِوَجِبْرِيلَ وَمِيكَالَ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ عَدُوٌّ لِّلْكَافِرِينَ

وَلَقَدْ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ آيَاتٍ بَيِّنَاتٍ وَمَايَكْفُرُ بِهَا إِلاَّ الْفَاسِقُونَ

أَوَكُلَّمَا عَاهَدُواْ عَهْداً نَّبَذَهُ فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُمبَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ

وَلَمَّا جَاءهُمْ رَسُولٌ مِّنْ عِندِ اللّهِ مُصَدِّقٌلِّمَا مَعَهُمْ نَبَذَ فَرِيقٌ مِّنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ كِتَابَاللّهِ وَرَاء ظُهُورِهِمْ كَأَنَّهُمْ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ

The explanation:

(Then, even after that, your hearts were hardened and became as rocks, or worse than rocks, for hardness. For indeed there are [some] rocks out of which rivers gush, and indeed there are [some] rocks which split asunder so that water flows from them. And there are [some] rocks which fall down for the fear of God. God is not unaware of [all] that you do.



Have you [believers] any hope that they [: Jews] may believe [and resign] to you when a party of them used to listen to the word of God, then used to pervert it knowingly, after having understood it?



And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: 'We believe.' But when they go apart one with another they say: 'Will you tell them about that which God has disclosed to you that they may contend withyou before your Lord concerning it? Have you [men] then no sense?'



Do they not then know that God knows [all] that they keep secret and [all] that they make known abroad?



And there are among them illiterates, who know not the book, but [hearsay and] desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.



Therefore, woe be to those who write the scripturewith their hands and say, "This is from God", that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe to them for that their hands have written, and woe to them for that they earn [thereby.]



And they say, 'The fire [of Hell] shall not touch us save for several days.' Say: 'Have you taken a covenant with God; for God breaks not His covenant? Or do you say of God that which you do not know?'



Not at all – but whosoever has done evil, and his sin has surrounded him; such are the fellows of the Fire; they will abide therein[forever.]



And those who believe and do good works: such are the people of the Garden. They will abide therein [forever.]



And remember We made a covenant with the Children of Israel, [saying]: 'Worship none save God [only], and be good to parents and to kindred and to orphans and the needy, and speak kindly to people; and be steadfast in prayer and pay the Zakat.' Then, after that, you slid back in aversion, save a few of you.



And remember We made with you a covenant [saying]:Shed not the blood of you[r people] nor turn [a party of] your people out of your dwellings. Then you ratified [the covenant] and you [contemporary Jews] admit that.



Yet you slay each other and drive a party of your people out of their homes, supporting one another against them by sin and transgression – and if they come to you as captives you will ransom them, whereas their expulsion is itself unlawful for you – Do you then believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in part? But the reward, of such among you as do that, shall be nothing other than disgrace in this Worldly life, and on the Day of Judgment shall they be driven to the most grievous punishment; for God is not unaware of what you do.



Such are those who exchange the Afterlife by the life of this World. Their torment will not be lightened, neither will they be helped.



Surely, We gave to Moses the Scripture, and We caused a succession of apostles [i.e. messengers] to follow after him, and We gave to Jesus, the son of Mary, the evident signs, and aided him with the Holy Ghost. Is it then that whenever an apostle comes to you with what yourselves desire not, you are puffed up with pride? – some you called impostors, and others you slay!



And they say: "Our hearts are enveloped." Not so, but God has cursed them for their blasphemy, and few [of them] it is who do believe.



And when there came to them a Scripture from God, confirming [the Scripture] that they already have – although aforetime they were foretelling to those who disbelieve, - when there comes to them [the messenger] that they have recognized, they deny him; so God's curse be on deniers.



For a bad bargain have they sold their souls; that they, with insolent envy, deny the [revelation] that God has sent down; because God – with His bounty – should send down [the revelation] upon any of His servants He pleases; so they return [to Us after their death] incurring wrath after wrath; and for deniers there will be shameful woe.



And when it is said to them [:Jews]:'Believe in [theQuran] that God has revealed', they say: 'We believe [exclusively] in [the Law and the Scripture] that was revealed to us.' And they disbelieve in [the Gospel and the Quran] that came after it, though it is the truth confirming [the Law] that they already have. Say [to them, O Mohammed]: 'Why then did you slay the prophets of God aforetime, if you are [indeed] believers?'



Moses did come to you with the evident [signs]; yet you worshipped the calf after his [going to the Mount], and you were wrongdoers [of yourselves.]



And remember [O Children of Israel], We make acovenant with you, and caused the Mount [Sinai] to tower above you, [saying]:'Hold fast that which We have given you, and hearken.' They said: 'We hear and we disobey.' And [the love of] the calf was effusive into [the pericardia of] their hearts; because of their infidelity. Say [O Mohammed, to them:] 'An evil belief is that which enjoins on you [such conduct] if [indeed] you are true believers [as you claim.]'



Say: 'If the abode of the Afterlife, in the neighborhood of God, be special for you [Jews] but not for the [rest of] people [who are Muslims], then long for death [to go to Paradise and prosper there] if you are truthful [in your claim.]



But they will never long for death, on account of the [sins] which their hands have forwarded. And God is Well-Acquainted with the wrong-doers.



You will find them the greediest of [all] people [of the heavenly religions] for life; and [even greedier] than those who associate [others with God]; one of them would fain live for a thousand years, - but he will not be turned forcibly away from punishment by being let live, for God is All-Seeing what they do.



Say, 'Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel? For he has come down with it upon your heart, with God's permission, believing in that which is by his hands, and a guidance and glad tidings to believers.



Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels and His apostles and Gabriel and Michael – then, surely, God is an enemy to the unbelievers.



We have sent down to you [Mohammed] manifest signs, and none will disbelieve therein except the evildoers.



Is it not [the case] that every time they make a covenant, some party among them discard it? – But, indeed, most of them believe not.



And when [Mohammed, who is] an apostle from God has come to them, confirming what they have, a party of those who were given the Scripture have rejected the Scripture of God [leaving it] behind their backs as if [it had been something] they did not know!)
 
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petros

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Does God look at Muslims as apes and pigs when they fall prey and disobey the word of God or just Jews and Christians?
 

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Excellent topic for discussion.

As the title says, not all Jews are Zionists and for good reason too: the Bible specifically teaches that only the Messiah can reestablish the Kingdom:

Acts 1:6,7

Hosea 3:4,5

Jer 30:3

Daniel 7:13,14

Isaiah 43:4-6

Any contrary effort is antithetical to the Bible's teaching and constitutes sacrilege. Therefore, any Jew, Christian, Muslim or whomever defends Zionism is defending sacrilegious teachings which guarantee eternal perdition.

The Bible teaches in the Old Testament that Israel was promised to all 12 tribes {Numbers 33:54}. Not to just one to the exclusion of the others. Further, in the New Testament, all Christians are declared to be fellow heirs to the Promise made to Abraham as per Galatians 3:29. This means that Christians and Muslims since they, too, believe Jesus is Messiah, are fellow heirs along with all 12 tribes. But Zionist ideology teaches that only one tribe is entitled to this Promised Land. Therefore, it is sin to defend it since no one tribe was granted the power to exclude anyone from the Promised Land. This is why the Bible tells us in so many different verses that only the Messiah can reestablish the Kingdom.

Orthodox Jews who oppose the sacrilegious Zionist ideology:

Satmar Jews Against Zionism

Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism

Canadian Jewish liberals who oppose Zionism:

International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network

American Jewish liberals who oppose Zionism:

Welcome To The American Council For Judaism


Since the USA is a nation of professing Christians, and since the vast majority of conservatives are Christian, they MUST condemn Zionist ideology because of its sacrilege. Therefore, let's see the forum Christian conservatives stand up now and declare their biblically based beliefs against Zionist ideology.
 

eanassir

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Does God look at Muslims as apes and pigs when they fall prey and disobey the word of God or just Jews and Christians?

All people whether Jews, Christians, Muslims and others are God's servants; God created them all.

But when Jews disobeyed and rebelled, and their rebellion was against their Prophet, and they Worshiped the Idols therefore, they associated the idols: the calf statue, the stars of the sky, they fell into the idolatry and associating such statues, star Sirius, in addition to their priests ... they associated all these with God Almighty, and they took patrons apart from God Most Gracious. Moreover, they Killed the Prophetsof God.

So God was wrathful against them and punished them in many ways: like abasing them by the hand of their enemies ...etc.
One sort of such humiliation and degradation was that God created the apes and swines in Palestine out of their decayed corpses. And that was after the invasion of Nabuchodonosor.

God's wrath is against all stubborn deniers of God and His apostles including Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. In other words, God's law is the same for all people, and His way of dealing with the idolaters and associaters is the same for all people: e.g. when Muslims became enthusiastic about their imams and righteous men, God set the Crusades, then the Gog and Mogog (the Tatar and the Mongo) then the imperialism, then the Zionism on Muslims until they recognize Him as their Patron alone and their exclusive God alone without associate.

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Can I get a picture of you?

Give him your picture for the same purpose. :lol:

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The illusion of some Jews, Christians and Muslims

  • Jews think that the Christ (not Jesus according to their blasphemy) has not come yet; so they act to prepare for him his kingdom, therefore, he can come and receive the soveriegnty and make Jews victorious over all nations.
  • Some Christians think this and were tricked by Zionists about this idea, and they think that when the state of Israel is established then Jesus Christ will come and rule all the world and make them victorious over all religions.
  • Muslims also or at least some of them think in the same way: they work to establish the Islamic state according to some sects, and they think that in response the Awaited Mahdi will come and rule and make them victorious over all religions.
This illusion can be refuted by one fact:
>> If they have become good and established their state according to the word of God and they become righteous, why should either of the Christ or the Mahdi come?

>> Moreover, it is up to God to send the Mahdi, and not according to their desires (the same is for Jews and Christians).

>> And it is on the contrary, the Mahdi will not come unless almost all people fall in the idolatry and enthusiasm and the association with God; because if people follow the correct way, they need not any guide to guide them to the right way.
 
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Cliffy

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The right way according to you? Do you know how many people think they know the will of god? Thousands and they all differ in their opinion of what is god's will. You are just one of many as is your opinion.
 

eanassir

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What they did to Dawood their prophet and king

Dawood or Prophet David - salam be to him; he fought the idolaters and obeyed God without associate, and he made a glory for them; but they rewarded him in a different way.
They pursued after him in the mountains and wherever he went so as to kill Prophet David because Saul desired that.

Therefore, Dawood started to curse them in his Psalms.
The Dispraise of Jews in the Psalms

Someone actually LIKES toe jam????

May God make the toe of the disbeliever jam! Amen.
 

coldstream

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It seems to me their are three definitions of Judaism, not irreconcilable, but defined within their own terms.

It is a religion, with sacraments, obligations and moral principles.

It is an ethnicity.. with a clear cohesive cultural identity.. that has survived through all the persecutions and Diaspora of millennia.

It is a nation.. with defined objectives of fulfilling a national destiny.. and constituting itself as a sovereign territorial integrity.

It is only the latter that can be defined as Zionism.. and its no more than any other country covets. Of course all countries have to live in a community of nations, with mutual respect.. and enlightened compromise.

There is little of that on either side in the Middle East now.. and the whole thing is muddied by religion.. and concepts of destiny and inevitability.. and not a little bigotry on all sides.. by Judaism, by Islam.. AND by Apocalyptic (read that Evangelical) Christianity.
 
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CDNBear

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Therefore, let's see the forum Christian conservatives stand up now and declare their biblically based beliefs against Zionist ideology.
Can you identify the forums 'conservative Christians' that clearly state they support Zionism please.

And please do try and stay in the realm of reality, forgoing your usual paranoid rants of neoKKKon lurking around every corner.

Give him your picture for the same purpose. :lol:
So you don't understand irony either.

Not that I'm surprised.
 

Colpy

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Jew isn't a religion, they're people.
You have anything of value to contribute to this debate?


ahhh.....We are ALL people.

Some smarter than others.... :).

Personally, I find an open-mouthed, closed-minded Jew just as offensive as an open-mouthed, closed-minded Muslim, or an open-mouthed, closed-minded Christian, or an open-mouthed, closed-minded Right-winger, or an open-mouthed, closed-minded Left-winger, or a..... Get the drift?

Absolutely....but here, for comparison, is a nice moderate Muslim imam....read his CV!

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=822

Now hear his speech......

Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi: "Allah Imposed Hitler upon the Jews to Punish Them!" - YouTube

Oh, BTW, the above gentleman, a famous Muslim "scholar" gives a major endorsement to this Canadian organization......

http://www.messengerofmercy.com/?p=39

Led by this wonderful moderate Imam....

Ibrahim Malabari

who makes this kind of statement:

http://www.canadiancouncilofimams.com/pages/EklEVVVZFkFzwZtrsi.shtml

TAQIYYA anyone????
 
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Excellent term! How very original for such a paranoid sicko like you. Hee, hee.

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But let's stick with the topic shall we?

The Bible clearly states that only the Messiah can reestablish the Kingdom as shown in those verses everyone has just read. Therefore, according to that Book, there is no biblical basis for Zionism.

Go to the Christian Discussion Section of CC, and you will find numerous threads on a wide variety of subjects dealing with Christianity. Many of the posts reveal that folks in this forum are generally very knowledgeable. Some of these discussions accuse certain people of Christian bashing and some here have been candid as to why they have engaged in this effort.

One reason why some people attack Christianity is because many denominational adherents blindly accept church teachings even though they are in marked contrast with the Bible's teachings. Right wing churches who support Zionism are doing so in sin as shown above. Since anyone who accepts their teachings in this regard commit heresy, why do you suppose people refuse to stand up and make direct quotes from the Bible which teach that we are to condemn the sacrilege that are being openly committed by these pro Zionist heretics?

The Bible teaches that all Christians are required to faithfully adhere to all of that Book's teachings. A follower simply does not have the luxury of refusing to comply with its laws just because it is not popular or fashionable to do so. If someone obeys all of God's laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them according to James 2:10. In sum, any Christian who endorses Zionism is guilty of breaking ALL biblical laws and faces eternal perdition. Therefore, I call upon all members of this forum who call themselves Christian to renounce the Zionist heresy and openly demand that the biblical laws true teachings about reestablishment be respected and faithfully affirmed.

Who will be the first of this forum's many Christians to stand up and condemn the heresy of Zionism?
 

gerryh

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James 2:10.

Repent ye errant sinner!


Quote all you want, your statement is full of shyte.

Christ made it quite clear that only the Father will know the when and how of his return, yet revelations is all about the when and how of his return, as if the author knows God's mind and thoughts. So, again I say, bullshyte to your statement.
 

gopher

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just a reminder:

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