The solution for the world economic crisis

55Mercury

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Wow. I dunno J, I think eanassir being the op of this thread has every right and reason to give his beliefs on just where the solutions lay to this impending crisis, and there can be no question that morals and ideals guide our philosophy. We (the inept species) got us into this mess, and it is up to 'us' to find a reasonable way out of it or face the collective consequences. And it won't be pretty. As I believe the Almighty Power That Be might put it... ya can pay Me now, or ya can pay Me later. or maybe as Bob Dylan put it in a song, "it may be the devil or it may be The Lord, but you're gonna have to serve somebody"

Our misguided politicians over the last fifty years thought it was perfectly alright to tax the unborn with deficit governments. This is child abuse on a colossal scale. They need to have mountains of garbage built, one dedicated to each of their names (garbage crisis solved). Surely everyone must realize by now that they had created a fool's paradise. All those years we patted ourselves on the back because we had the best standard of living in the world? All built, bought and paid for by people who aren't even born yet. We've ruined life for them and they will not remember us fondly. And surely everyone must also know that all of our socialist pipe-dreams could easily be paid for with the money that now goes to service this debt? So yeah, charging token amounts of interest might be okay on a personal or business level, but governments, i.e., the collective (the taxpayer) should never have had to pay interest. But given that there is interest, then governments should never have gone into debt. I really believe socialistic ideals are good for a society, provided they can stand on their own two feet. But not at the expense of future generations. I've often contended that socialism, as we know it (founded on debt), is a capitalist conspiracy. Who gets rich off of interest? You got it: capitalists.

You socialists really need to give your collective head a shake (and tell us what you hear) before you whine for one more lousy dollar.
 

eanassir

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The way in which the Zakat alms is to be distributed

(Alms [of the Zakat] are only for:
>> the poor [the poor has a job, but his salary or profit is not enough for him and his family)
>> and the needy [who is without job],
>> and those who work to [collect and distribute] the [Zakat],
>> and those whose hearts are to be reconciled [those are some important persons whom the Prophet gave them money to bring them to his side and to help him against his enemy],
>> and to free the captives
>> and the debtors,
>> and for the cause of God [: the Jihad],
>> and [for] the wayfarer [who is a way of his family and who is in need]

– and ordinance this from God [He prescribed for them],
for God is All-Knowing [about the needs of His creatures, and] Most-Wise [about that which He prescribed for them.] )

تفسير سورة التوبة


The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 9: 60
{إِنَّمَا الصَّدَقَاتُ لِلْفُقَرَاء وَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَالْعَامِلِينَ عَلَيْهَا وَالْمُؤَلَّفَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَفِي الرِّقَابِ وَالْغَارِمِينَ وَفِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ فَرِيضَةً مِّنَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ}
 

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The obligatory Zakat alms

God ordered His messenger to take the Zakat alms from the believers; the Zakat alms is obligatory; anyone who refuses to give it, then the Prophet and believers will fight him. The government should take the Zakat alms by force if anyone refuses to give it.

It is obligatory for anyone who owns a house and have a moderate living means, in addition to some annual surplus.

One of the companions of the Prophet died, and Prophet Mohammed recommeded that one third of his wealth should be expent on the poor and needy so that God might forgive his sins for him. Then the Prophet said within himself: I should leave all his wealth to his daughter, therefore this aya 9: 103 was revealed:

خُذْ مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ صَدَقَةً تُطَهِّرُهُمْ وَتُزَكِّيهِم بِهَا وَصَلِّ عَلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ صَلاَتَكَ سَكَنٌ لَّهُمْ وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

The explanation:
([O Mohammed] take out of their wealth alms bywhich you may purify them [from sins] and make them grow. And give themofferings [out of the booty, in the future]; your offerings are a comfort forthem; God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.)

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The spoils that comes without fighting

God - be glorified - said in the Quran
مَّا أَفَاء اللَّهُ عَلَى رَسُولِهِ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقُرَى فَلِلَّهِ وَلِلرَّسُولِ وَلِذِي الْقُرْبَى وَالْيَتَامَى وَالْمَسَاكِينِ وَابْنِ السَّبِيلِ كَيْ لَا يَكُونَ دُولَةً بَيْنَ الْأَغْنِيَاء مِنكُمْ وَمَا آتَاكُمُ الرَّسُولُ فَخُذُوهُ وَمَا نَهَاكُمْ عَنْهُ فَانتَهُوا وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ

The explanation:
(Whatsoever spoils of war God gives to His messenger from [the possessions of the unbelievers among] the people of the cities, [it should be divided into portions]:
for God,
and His messenger,
and the near kinsman [of the messenger: for the believers among them at his time],
and orphans,
the needy a
nd the 'traveler who is in need';

so that it be not [in the future] a 'thing taken in turns' among the rich of you.

Whatever [money] the messenger gives you, take [eventhough it be little]; whatever he forbids you [from taking it], give over.
And ward off [opposing the command of] God; for surely God is Severe at punishment.)


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The inheritance of the dead should be divided according to God's instructions in the Quran.

Even the dead is not allowed to give his wealth to one of his sons or daughters and so he will not give to other sons, daughters, wife, parents, grandparents.

By this way, the wealth will be divided between many persons, and not restricted to one only.

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The blessings of God is the reason for the prosperity

A communist once told me that Fidel Castro forced the priests of the church to work with tractors in agriculture.
So the communists want to make people equal, and in fact they made people equal in poverty: all of them became poor.

Therefore, God's grace and blessing is the reason to make people prosper and avert them every evil and bring to them every good outcome.

(But if the people of the cities [that We destroyed] had believed and warded off [the association and the disobedience], surely We should have opened for themblessings from the sky and from the earth. But they gave the lie [to themessengers], and so We seized them [with punishment] on account of what[disobedience and denial of the apostles] they used to earn.)

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 7: 96
وَلَوْ أَنَّ أَهْلَ الْقُرَى آمَنُواْ وَاتَّقَواْ لَفَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَرَكَاتٍ مِّنَ السَّمَاء وَالأَرْضِ وَلَكِن كَذَّبُواْ فَأَخَذْنَاهُم بِمَا كَانُواْ يَكْسِبُونَ

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The interest rate is forbidden in the Torah and the Quran

In the Torah:
Taking the Usury


In the Quran :
3: 130
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَأْكُلُواْ الرِّبَا أَضْعَافًا مُّضَاعَفَةً وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ

The explanation:
(Believers,take not the [money of] usurious interest, doubling [the sum] many times, andward off God['s disobedience concerning it]; that you may succeed in the Afterlife.])
 

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Might I remind you that the interest that is made on investments goes to pay all those old age
pensions that people have invested in. Who is rich? I do agree though the loop holes should
be closed requiring those who should pay something to belly up to the bar as it were.
Far too much is being paid by the middle class and in a world economy the richest 2% pay next
to nothing.
People also approve of the world economy, don't agree, watch them go to Walmart they are the
drivers of world economy. So many people complain about lower wages, lost jobs a stagnant
economy, and other economic ills. Most of the problem is retail companies, manufacturing and
service companies that they patronize for lower prices are the very people they complain, while
the little guys locally go out of business.
The only way the world economy is going to rebound is if people and governments start paying
their bills, put away their charge cards and support local businesses that provide jobs at home.
Nope they all go to Walmart to buy another twenty dollar pair of runners and meet friends to
complain about bad things are over coffee, at a foreign business called McDonald's.
 

eanassir

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The best and only solution is to default and issue a new currency.

It certainly will be of importance, but may not be practical.
And the debts? Some states like Italy and others have tremendous debts.

Might I remind you that the interest that is made on investments goes to pay all those old age
pensions that people have invested in.

Why is the interest forbidden in all the heavenly books: the Bible and the Quran?

The interest gives profit and money gain without effort, so the money will gain more money; moreover, it will destroy the man who is in need while it makes the lender more rich.

So the trading is allowed, while the interest is forbidden. The trading will make people better and enable man to have his goods come to him, while the interest will lead to the advantage of the lender to the disadvantage of the indebted.

(Those who take usury [ or the interest, in the life of the World] will not stand up [for Judgment in the Afterlife] but as [a drunken man] stands up, whom the devil lets stagger because of the drunkenness;

that [chastisement will be for them] because they say that "the trafficking is like the usury", whereas God permits the trafficking and forbids the usury.

Now, whoso has [such] an admonition reached him from his Lord, so he desists [from taking usury, and repents], then that [usury he took]in the past [before the prohibition] shall be for him, and his affair [of provision and livelihood] is due to God, but who reverts [again to take usury] then they will be the fellows of Fire, abiding therein [on the Judgment Day] forever.

God leads [those taking] usury to perish, but blesses [those giving] alms; for God loves not [usury-takers who are] ungrateful [of God'sfavors and grace] and guilty [with much many sins.])


The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 2: 275-276
الَّذِينَ يَأْكُلُونَ الرِّبَا لاَ يَقُومُونَ إِلاَّ كَمَا يَقُومُ الَّذِي يَتَخَبَّطُهُ الشَّيْطَانُ مِنَ الْمَسِّ ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا الْبَيْعُ مِثْلُ الرِّبَا وَأَحَلَّ اللّهُ الْبَيْعَ وَحَرَّمَ الرِّبَا فَمَن جَاءهُ مَوْعِظَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ فَانتَهَىَ فَلَهُ مَا سَلَفَ وَأَمْرُهُ إِلَى اللّهِ وَمَنْ عَادَ فَأُوْلَئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ


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Who is rich?

There has been some mistake or misunderstanding.

If one owns his own house, has a car (may not be essential) and is not indebted, and in addition he has an income that let him expend for his essential requirements --> then such one is satisfied.

On the other hand, if this man or woman has much more considerable income than the above stated, then the surplus more than his essential requirements will require the 20% tax.

On this standard, the money that will come, from such 20% tax of those who deserve it, will be tremendous.

Therefore, it is not for the billionaires exclusively, but for any job that will enable man to have much surplus more than his requirements.

Isn't that why they engineered this demolition of the economy in the first place?

Whether they engineered it or not; such crisis is some punishment from God for the disobedient idolaters and enthusiastics.
It is like the high prices.

As it is in the Quran 2: 155
وَلَنَبْلُوَنَّكُمْ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنَ الْخَوفْ وَالْجُوعِ وَنَقْصٍ مِّنَ الأَمَوَالِ وَالأنفُسِ وَالثَّمَرَاتِ وَبَشِّرِ الصَّابِرِينَ

The explanation:
(We shall try you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of wealth, lives and crops; but give glad tidings to those who forbear with patience.)
 

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Yeah, well, that certainly explains why the Islamists running most of Somalia have blocked food aid from "infidel" nations and told their people to trust in Allah while they starve to death in drought and famine.
 

eanassir

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Yeah, well, that certainly explains why the Islamists running most of Somalia have blocked food aid from "infidel" nations and told their people to trust in Allah while they starve to death in drought and famine.

I am not telling what Muslims are; I tell what God - be glorified - says in the Quran.
 

eanassir

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His words are wise like His acts.

(Had We destroyed them with a punishment before this, they would have said:"Our Lord, if only You had sent to us a messenger, we should certainly have followed Your revelations before we were humbled and put to shame."

Say [Mohammed, to them:] "Each [party] of us is waiting; so wait; for surely you shall know who are the fellows of the right way and who are guided[to it]?")


The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 20: 134-135
وَلَوْأَنَّا أَهْلَكْنَاهُم بِعَذَابٍ مِّن قَبْلِهِ لَقَالُوا رَبَّنَا لَوْلَاأَرْسَلْتَ إِلَيْنَا رَسُولًا فَنَتَّبِعَ آيَاتِكَ مِن قَبْلِ أَن نَّذِلَّوَنَخْزَى
قُلْكُلٌّ مُّتَرَبِّصٌ فَتَرَبَّصُوا فَسَتَعْلَمُونَ مَنْ أَصْحَابُ الصِّرَاطِالسَّوِيِّ وَمَنِ اهْتَدَى