‘Do you have running water? I don’t and I live in Canada’

[petros]

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Did you sign an agreement with the Govt of Canada that says you are to be supplied with healthy living conditions?

No

Then what gives you the right to complain about those who did but are being shafted?

 

[gerryh]

I see that 123 messages later that there are still idiots that refuse to accept that the Government of Canada is responsible for all of this through treaty rights. It is the Government of Canada's responsibility. Don't like it, get the frack out of Canada and back to where your ancestors came from.

Bump.... cause the brain dead still don't get it.

 

[lone wolf]

So long as I could have citizenship somewhere else, if I had to relocate so I could have a better quality of life for myself and children ... I would do what had to be done.

See? You have expectations for replacement value of your heritage too....

 

[Ariadne]

Then what gives you the right to complain about those who did but are being shafted?

If a group of people never learns how to help themselves, then the problem is unending. A commitment to help is good ... but why is the assumption that this help means that the federal goverment will take complete responsibility for resolving all aspects of the problem?

 

[DurkaDurka]

No ... but a commitment to help is quite different from handing everything on a silver platter. Help is education so communties can help themselves and become sustainable. If the community has no commitment to sustainability and expects the gov't to take responsibility for everything ... except cable TV and internet services ... then something seems out of kilter.



So long as I could have citizenship somewhere else, if I had to relocate so I could have a better quality of life for myself and children ... I would do what had to be done.

Why shouldn't they have access to Satellite TV and Internet? Internet is hardly a luxury in this day and age, and who says the government is paying their monthly bills?

 

[Ariadne]

See? You have expectations for replacement value of your heritage too....

I'm a practical person. If there's a problem, I look for a solution. I don't expect someone else to solve my problem. I will do everything I can to educate myself in order to solve the problem ... and that is a responsibility that everyone has.

 

[petros]

Why shouldn't they have access to Satellite TV and Internet? Internet is hardly a luxury in this day and age, and who says the government is paying their monthly bills?

Satellite and innernet companies have to pay CRTC some hefty fees. Perhaps water treatment could come out of their pile?

I'm a practical person. If there's a problem, I look for a solution. I don't expect someone else to solve my problem. I will do everything I can to educate myself in order to solve the problem ... and that is a responsibility that everyone has.

Education doesn't supply water treatment systems as guaranteed under contract.

 

[gerryh]

I see that 123 messages later that there are still idiots that refuse to accept that the Government of Canada is responsible for all of this through treaty rights. It is the Government of Canada's responsibility. Don't like it, get the frack out of Canada and back to where your ancestors came from.

This is the only answer necessary. A legal obligation, end of story, and all the whining in the world by the bigots and racists won't change that.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Satellite and innernet companies have to pay CRTC some hefty fees. Perhaps water treatment could come out of their pile?

Education doesn't supply water treatment systems.

Rogers was recently fined 10 million for misleading advertisement, I imagine a sum like that could fix some of these problems quick.

 

[Ariadne]

Why shouldn't they have access to Satellite TV and Internet? Internet is hardly a luxury in this day and age, and who says the government is paying their monthly bills?

The home where I grew up still doesn't have cable TV because it's an unnecessary expense, the satellite internet was just added last year ... but there is water. If someone has money and know-how to get cable TV, then they sure have money and know-how to get water.

If the government is paying for some people to have cable TV, then it's no surprise that they expect the government to pay for everything.

Satellite and innernet companies have to pay CRTC some hefty fees. Perhaps water treatment could come out of their pile?

Education doesn't supply water treatment systems as guaranteed under contract.

Why doesn't some entrepreneur go in and solve the problem ... then the people in the community can pay for water on a monthly basis like everyone else ... or is that also a problem because no one works?

 

[petros]

Rogers was recently fined 10 million for misleading advertisement, I imagine a sum like that could fix some of these problems quick.

Not really have you seen how much Stimuls is paying for RO systems for towns and villages that are populated by people who pay taxes and are supposed to be educated problem solvers? $1Million a pop for a system that costs $60K.

Now there is a contract I want. $900,000K in profits but I'm not that buddy buddy with my MP....yet.

Why doesn't some entrepreneur go in and solve the problem ... then the people in the community can pay for water on a monthly basis like everyone else ... or is that also a problem because no one works?

What is the track record for privatized water to communities? No one works? Are you kidding me? Have you ever been to a northern rez?

 

[DurkaDurka]

The home where I grew up still doesn't have cable TV because it's an unnecessary expense, the satellite internet was just added last year ... but there is water. If someone has money and know-how to get cable TV, then they sure have money and know-how to get water.

If the government is paying for some people to have cable TV, then it's no surprise that they expect the government to pay for everything.



Why doesn't some entrepreneur go in and solve the problem ... then the people in the community can pay for water on a monthly basis like everyone else ... or is that also a problem because no one works?

Are you serious? Do you really think that someone who knows how to run an RG6 cable into a modem would necessarily know how to drill a well? That's non-sensical and ridiculous. Can you drill a well and ensure it's non-contaminated?

Show me a credible link that shows the government paying for First Nations TV subscriptions.

 

[Ariadne]

Not really have you seen how much Stimuls is paying for RO systems for towns and villages that are populated by people who pay taxes and are supposed to be educated problem solvers? $1Million a pop. Now there is a contract I want. $900,00K in profits but I'm not that buddy buddy with my MP....yet.

What is the track record for privatized water to communities?

I don't know. The rural communities that I'm familiar with have water wells that were paid for by the people that live there.

My brother lives in the city had has a water well and septic field ... the city grew around his property ... we haven't discussed it, but my understanding is that the city is not prepared to hook him and his neighbours up to city services without significant cost to them. That's life.

Are you serious? Do you really think that someone who knows how to run an RG6 cable into a modem would necessarily know how to drill a well? That's non-sensical and ridiculous. Can you drill a well and ensure it's non-contaminated?

Show me a credible link that shows the government paying for First Nations TV subscriptions.

All I said is that if people in these rural places can figure out how to get cable TV, they can figure out how to get water. Both require some determination, problem solving and financing. The cable line has to be paid for in order to get it to a community or rural property, and it's not cheap.

 

[petros]

Are you 100% sure there is no Federal funding or are you just guessing?

Of course you have to pay to be part of the municipal potable / sanitary lines. Just like you pay monthly maintenance fees for your power, gas and telephone lines whether you use them or not.

BTW what type of a fool builds a septic system over top of their aquifer? You realize that is the #1 cause of well contamination?

 

[DurkaDurka]

All I said is that if people in these rural places can figure out how to get cable TV, they can figure out how to get water. Both require some determination, problem solving and financing. The cable line has to be paid for in order to get it to a community or rural property, and it's not cheap.

There is no cable in most remote reserves, cable needs to connect to something, ie. Fibre Optics. Do you think they run a fibre cable for hundreds of KM's through dense forest to serve a few dozen people? No. That's why satellite is used in remote communities as it does not require a physical link.

 

[JLM]

Why wouldn't people have to pay for it? People living in rural areas outside a city have to pay for it ... but they make sure they have running water before they hook up the extras.

I think if we are going to get "sticky" about people paying for their own water supply perhaps it's time the cops checked the bingo halls on Welfare Wednesday checking for women who are drawing welfare! :smile:

 

[lone wolf]

I'm a practical person. If there's a problem, I look for a solution. I don't expect someone else to solve my problem. I will do everything I can to educate myself in order to solve the problem ... and that is a responsibility that everyone has.

"As long as I could have a citizenship somewhere else". What do you think a Treaty in exchange for freedom is?

 

[taxslave]

My parents actually built two houses in places where there was no water. I didn't hear about any problems getting a building permit ... and of course with a building permit comes all the stuff like water wells and septic fields.

In what community is it difficult to get a permit for a water well and septic field, and how the heck did anyone get a permit to build a house without having a water/sewer solution?

Not everywhere requires building permits. Not required in the more civilized parts of the country. Just the citified parts. Our area just had this tax grab imposed on us in APRIL. Must have been 100 basements poured prior to April 1. Few have gone any further yet.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Maybe I'm completely ignorant about the situation, but it seems to me that if a group of people want autonomy from the laws of Canada but at the same time expect to be looked after by that same government when they want something ... it doesn't make much sense to me. People across the country have helped themselves when in need ... why is this situation any different?

Sure, but if I've decided to live in the middle of no where, it is my responsibility to look after my needs. If I can't, or won't, look after my needs, perhaps I need to live somewhere else. .

Aboriginals want automony from Canadian laws, but want to be looked after financially when they want something. That does sum up the problem for many people. The legal-historical issues are so complex, that no one understands them. Some bands understand the issues adequately and can do well enough out of the tangle. Then there are others who are just lost and will be for a long time.

For the govt it's mainly a legal problem, they do what they have to, and that's it.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

In the headline, the person says, "I live in Canada". But the person does not say they are Canadian, or I am Canadian. If they did, things would likely happen faster. That's one of the big problems Indians have, they don't want to be Canadians, and when you do that, Canadians have trouble hearing what you are saying. Tourists aren't Canadians either, we respect them, treat them decently while they are here, but they will leave soon because they are not us. Saying magic words like I'm a Canadian and I want to be part of Canadian culture is just a given for most of us.