Ahhh, the western meaning of "boi", confused me.
My bad.
Don't we have a thread for that topic already?
The Flotilla....IDF Actions Validated!
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My bad.
Don't we have a thread for that topic already?
Other than an attempt to deviate from the topic at hand and promote a silly notion that is nearly impossible to achieve.
Ok, I'll take your word for it over a 'litany' of other human rights groups. I'm sure you know better than them. :lol:
Israel was widely criticised by human rights groups for using heavy firepower and causing hundreds of civilian casualties.[284] A group of soldiers who took part in the conflict echoed the criticism through both the Israeli NGO Breaking the Silence and a special report by Israeli filmmaker Nurit Kedar that was shown on Britain's Channel 4 in January 2011.[285][286] The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict concluded that the Israeli military operation was directed at the people of Gaza as a whole, in furtherance of an overall and continuing policy aimed at punishing the Gaza population, and in a deliberate policy of disproportionate force aimed at the civilian population.[287]
If it was mainly just military who had been targeted and killed and if important infrastructure to citizens still remained intact, I'd imagine Palestinians would not refer to Operation Cast Lead as the 'Gaza Massacre' as they do today.
You're probably trolling but for the third time, I take his word with more than a grain of salt because of his connection to the conflict. His experiences and prolific studying on the topic.
Quite simply the man knows the conflict inside and out, he's not someone any objective person would ignore.
Wrong again.....as always.
Michael Ross: UN rules that Israeli blockade is legal in blow to failing flotilla | Full Comment | National Post
The blockade is legal, as the United Nations has inevitably decided. I think they trump special interest groups in this matter.
Now, as for the Gaza operation....Operation Cast Lead......here are some facts:
According to HAMAS, the operation killed between 600 and 700 militants, crippling (temporarily) the Hamas military wing.........this from Fathi Hamad the INTERIOR MINISTER OF HAMAS!!!!! Argue with him.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...-of-its-men-were-killed-in-cast-lead-1.323776
Now, the official death toll varies from 1 338 to 1416, according to various sources........
The Battle for Accuracy in the Media is Engaged: The IDF Weighs in on Casualty Figures | Augean Stables
So approximately one half of the casualties were militants.............at most one half were civilian.
"According to a 2001 study by the International Committee of the Red Cross, the civilian-to-soldier death ratio in wars fought since the mid-20th century has been 10:1, meaning ten civilian deaths for every soldier death."
Civilian casualty ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So Israel, one of the most powerful militarys on earth, attacking the most densely populated place on earth, achieved a civilian death toll ONE TENTH what would be expected in normal operations, despite Hamas using civilians as human shields. (as admitted by Fathi Hamad, Interior minister of Hamas)
A Modern Libertarian: Hamas MP Fathi Hamad brags about using Human Shields
So," in a deliberate policy of disproportionate force aimed at the civilian population." is demonstrably completely out to lunch.
As I said, you are, as always, wrong.
There is nothing in my post that could be construed as wrong. You're weird.
As far as the casualty to militant ratio:
Several analysts have attempted to calculate the Israel Defense Force's civilian casualty ratio in Operation Cast Lead during the Gaza War. All have noted that the ratio differs significantly depending on which figures are used regarding the total number of casualties and their identity.
There doesn't seem to be a clear consensus about the exact number. Pro-Israeli's will argue it's low and on the other side they'll argue it's high. I've seen estimates as high as 60% deaths were civilians. What I do know is that the Israeli government isn't even remotely trustworthy and anything they say couldn't be taken literally, as the white phosphorus incident shows. It's also damning when some IDF soldiers came out and talked about Operation Cast Lead and said they were told to kill indiscriminately.
These are the people you're getting your facts from. You have no interest in being objective, as proven by sources provided by Israeli government and other pro-Israeli and Zionist trash.
Nurit Kedar Interview Israeli troops told to 'cleanse' Gaza Channel4 News - YouTube
Revealed story of Israeli troops told to 'cleanse' Gaza - Channel4 News - Wednesday 26 January 2011 - YouTube
Some of the things told by IDF soldiers in the last video is simply vile. Soldiers defecating on top Palestinian houses, shooting at chicken coops, taking over abandoned Palestinian houses and vandalizing it with racist graffiti... makes me sick.
As far as the casualty to militant ratio:
Several analysts have attempted to calculate the Israel Defense Force's civilian casualty ratio in Operation Cast Lead during the Gaza War. All have noted that the ratio differs significantly depending on which figures are used regarding the total number of casualties and their identity.
There doesn't seem to be a clear consensus about the exact number. Pro-Israeli's will argue it's low and on the other side they'll argue it's high. I've seen estimates as high as 60% deaths were civilians. What I do know is that the Israeli government isn't even remotely trustworthy and anything they say couldn't be taken literally, as the white phosphorus incident shows. It's also damning when some IDF soldiers came out and talked about Operation Cast Lead and said they were told to kill indiscriminately.
These are the people you're getting your facts from. You have no interest in being objective, as proven by sources provided by Israeli government and other pro-Israeli and Zionist trash.
Nurit Kedar Interview Israeli troops told to 'cleanse' Gaza Channel4 News - YouTube
Revealed story of Israeli troops told to 'cleanse' Gaza - Channel4 News - Wednesday 26 January 2011 - YouTube
Some of the things told by IDF soldiers in the last video is simply vile. Soldiers defecating on top Palestinian houses, shooting at chicken coops, taking over abandoned Palestinian houses and vandalizing it with racist graffiti... makes me sick.
I can't stand either extreme ends of the Israeli/Palestine BS but you really take the cake when it comes to eating up the biased nonsense. People die in wars and when the cowards of Hamas choose to pick their fights in civilian, urban areas, what do you think is going to happen?
This is got to be a troll post, wow these forums are filled with them.
Really, out of CDNBEAR and Colpy, it's me that "takes the cake when it comes to eating up the biased nonsense" ???? LOL!
Anyways, I wished you would have been more specific as to what you think is propaganda.
What a ridiculous post. Firstly on the notion Hamas could be cowards - they're fighting an occupying power with one the powerful militaries in the world. You may disagree with Hamas' views but one thing they couldn't be confused with are cowards.
Where do you get that Hamas is 'choosing to pick their fights in civilian areas' ? Hamas has provided more for the Gazans than anyone, they aren't deliberately allowing them to be in harms way. That is actual propaganda.
The real question is , What does ISRAEL think is going to happen when they take power of a foreign land and restrict imports , have completely control over its air space, and keep the living conditions plummeting.
To respond by rocket attacks by deliberately attacking Gaza's citizens is completely inappropriate. It's also counter-productive, because what how do you think a child's emotions and attitudes would be affected towards Israeli's if it saw his/her family blown to bits?
I applaud the few IDF soldiers that had the courage to admit what truly happened in Operation Cast Lead.
How true.
Don't take my word for. Follow Colpy's links, or better yet. Do as I did and just look up International law pertaining to the rules of armed conflict.
Your unaccredited use of wikiality aside. Human rights groups, are in the business of finding any and all human suffering abhorrent.
Is there a point to that stupidity?
Good idea, I take his word with more than a grain of salt too.
I don't ignore him. But than again, I'm actually objective.
You should try it sometime.
Accept for the part where you dismiss fact.
That's why Colpy and I use Hamas' own stats.
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I agree Hamas are not cowards.....except for the leadership, who order the fighters to fight to the death........while they are wined and dined in Damascus....
How about from Hamas' Interior Minister???????
Hamas MP Fathi Hamad brags about "Palestinian death industry" - YouTube
Good enough for ya??? LOL
As for Operation Cast Lead, you are full of BS. Read my post below.
Wrong again.
If you stop posting, the number of them would drop.
Yes.
Quite.
All of your plagiarized, or otherwise substance-less posts.
You do realize that Israel has left Gaza right?
Your support of the murder of innocent women and children is already well documented.
The rest of your post isn't worth replying to.
No. Stop posting illegitimate links to hate sites or pro-Zionism sources , while ignoring my objective links. This isn't productive and gets us nowhere.
What I gather from Operation Cast Lead is information IDF soldiers have given.
The funny thing is, you can't refute the facts. Just run away behind the dismissal of PMW as a hate group.
Something else you haven't proven, just claimed.
Your shtick is so weak.
But at least you're entertaining.
I can't wait to see your next silly side step, fallacy or stupid claim.
Another one that says that everybody's links are illegetimate but his own but then except for a couple Hamas propaganda videos he hasn't produced a single link to back up his claims... all bullshyte and no substance
He actually dismissed Hamas' own numbers when Colpy posted them.
This clown dismisses anything that proves him ignorant of reality.
I bet his lil world is real swell.
Bingo.all bullshyte and no substance
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
OBJECTIVE LINKS!!!!!
I'm not sure I've ever seen you post a link...........
You are a troll.
Considering the fact that Hamas receives funding from nations like Syria and Iran and of course funnels money raised for the Palestinians by rich Arab Sheiks one would ask, "Why is it that they are not targeting the occupying Israeli force instead of purposely sending suicide bombers into markets where civilians are always killed?
The old "We have to deliver our bombs with our hands because we are but poor settlers." just isn't cutting it anymore. It might have worked back in the days of Black September, but this malarky just doesn't quite make the grade.
If the Palestinians and subsequently Hamas want to gain a sympathetic ear from the rest of the world they should change their modus operandi and stop deliberately killing civilians in their fight for freedom.
If they could do that, they might gain a bit more support and be proactive in ending the senseless bloodshed.
Okay I'm finished. I will now introduce to you the: "YEAH WELL ISRAEL KILLS CIVILIANS TOO!" crowd.
The old "We have to deliver our bombs with our hands because we are but poor settlers." just isn't cutting it anymore. It might have worked back in the days of Black September, but this malarky just doesn't quite make the grade.
If the Palestinians and subsequently Hamas want to gain a sympathetic ear from the rest of the world they should change their modus operandi and stop deliberately killing civilians in their fight for freedom.
If they could do that, they might gain a bit more support and be proactive in ending the senseless bloodshed.
Okay I'm finished. I will now introduce to you the: "YEAH WELL ISRAEL KILLS CIVILIANS TOO!" crowd.