Natives needn't pay tax on interest from accounts on reserve: Supreme Court

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Natives needn't pay tax on interest from accounts on reserve: Supreme Court


OTTAWA- Interest earned by natives from accounts held on reserves is tax-free, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled Friday.

The court overturned a pair of rulings from the Tax Court of Canada and the Federal Court of Appeal, which held that such earnings were taxable.

The rulings "make it clearer that the Indian Act isn't trying to stick Indians in the 1800s" and will allow for modern economic activity, said Victoria-based lawyer Robert Janes.

"It's a significant message from the Supreme Court of Canada."

Both cases dealt with interest income from deposits in caisses populaires, or credit unions, but would presumably apply to deposits with any financial institution on a reserve.

The lower courts ruled that since the institutions earned their money in the general economy, the interest is taxable.
The high court said that is irrelevant and what counts is that the money was native property on a reserve, which is tax-exempt under the Indian Act.

The lower courts "reasoned that the caisse populaire generated its revenues in the 'economic mainstream,' not on the reserve, and therefore that the interest it paid ... was not situated on the reserve," Justice Thomas Cromwell wrote in the main case.

"In my respectful view, the interest income paid ... was situated on a reserve and was therefore exempt from taxation."

He said the question of how the credit union earned money doesn't apply, because the deposit was essentially a loan to the institution by the customer and what was done with the money didn't matter.

The court ruled 7-0 in the first case, which involved the estate of a Quebec man named Rolland Bastien. That decision set out the general rules.

The second case, which involved deposits held by Alexandre Dube in a credit union on a reserve different from his own, was a 5-2 split decision.

The dissenting judges said the facts in the Dube cases didn't have as many concrete connections to the reserve and wouldn't qualify. Dube lived off-reserve part-time and ran an off-reserve business.

Writing for the majority, though, Cromwell said the same principles apply.

"Applying the analysis set out in Bastien, my respectful view is that the Tax Court and the Federal Court of Appeal erred in both the approach they took and in the result they reached in this case."

While the rulings apply to bank accounts, they send a signal that the government won't move to tax modern economic activity on reserves, said Janes.

For years, there has been a back-and-forth fight about whether economic activities on reserve are "Indian enough" to qualify for the Indian Act tax exemption, Janes said.

"That's made it hard for aboriginal people who have been trying to invest or develop capital."

Now, it's clear that banking activity and other on-reserve investment won't be penalized through taxation, he added.

"I think it will create another incentive for investment on reserve, and to develop on-reserve properties."

The Assembly of First Nations national chief hailed the ruling as a victory, and called on the Canada Revenue Agency to end its efforts to erode aboriginal rights.

"After relentless efforts over many years by the Canada Revenue Agency to erode the First Nations tax exemption, the Supreme Court has upheld the exemption and affirmed its ongoing relevance," Shawn Atleo said in a statement.

"The onus is now on the Canada Revenue Agency to work with First Nations to change its approach and policies." -CP-

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OTTAWA - A single moccasin maker from a small Wendake, Quebec community has virtually handcuffed the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) from reaching into First Nations and snatching taxes from investment income. And you could see the creation of community owned financial institutions and even First Nations RRSPs.

Roland Bastien, a Huron- Wendat, who passed away in 2003, is behind one of the most significant victories and affirmations of First Nations rights to hit Canada in a quarter of a century.

On Friday, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled interest earned by natives from accounts held in on reserve financial institutions is taxfree.

The decision has brought to a grinding halt the Canada Revenue Agency’s efforts to erode Aboriginal rights, Assembly of First Nations Chief Shawn Atleo says.

“After relentless efforts over many years by the Canada Revenue Agency to erode the First Nations tax exemption, the Supreme Court has upheld the exemption and affirmed its ongoing relevance,’’ Shawn Atleo said in a statement.

“The onus is now on the Canada Revenue Agency to work with First Nations to change its approach and policies,” he said.

What happened was the court overturned a pair of rulings from the Tax Court of Canada and the Federal Court of Appeal, which held that such earnings were taxable. The rulings “make it clearer that the Indian Act isn’t trying to stick Indians in the 1800s’’ and will allow for modern economic activity, said Victoria-based lawyer Robert Janes.

“It’s a significant message from the Supreme Court of Canada.’’ Mohawk lawyer Aaron Detlor says

“it means that there may be a light at the end of the tunnel.” He said the decision “may be an attempt to rebalance an approach that in some way attempts to uphold the honour of the crown.”

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Again the Supreme Court of Canada is forced to up hold the law regarding Treaty obligations. Exemption from the Queens tax, is exemption from the Queens tax.
 

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When it comes to whether revenue is tax exempt or not, my basic understanding is that it is determined by who's hands the income would be taxed in. Therefore an individual or group of individuals who are tax exempt would not have to pay tax on the revenue generated.

So the SCC decision makes sense to me.

CRA, well I trust them about as far as I can throw them.
 

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When it comes to whether revenue is tax exempt or not, my basic understanding is that it is determined by who's hands the income would be taxed in. Therefore an individual or group of individuals who are tax exempt would not have to pay tax on the revenue generated.
So long as it's res related.

I enjoy no tax exemption, I live and work off res. I pay income tax, property tax and HST on general purchases.

So the SCC decision makes sense to me.
To me as well.

CRA, well I trust them about as far as I can throw them.
Ever been audited? Or seen them in action, when they think you owe them money? What a lovely crew of tits. A buddy of mine, just had his bank account emptied on Friday. Even after he made arrangements with them, to bring a resolution to their claims.
 

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I was aware of the res requirement, which is more or less why my logic on the situation brought me to the conclusion it did. I don't really have a lot of first hand knowledge regarding taxation, exemptions and First Nations other than a bit of knowledge about POS tax exemptions.

Yep, I have seen them in action, I work in a public accounting office. When they set their sights on you, you are guilty until proven innocent, and good luck with that!

Basically the general consensus amongst most professionals is that you have to give them something. Even if you as a taxpayer have followed all the rules and have done no wrong, you'll probably need to conceed something. Which rubs me the wrong way in terms of my sense of fairness. And, frankly, I think that contributes to the problem of people lying and cheating.

Yeah, the CRA and insurance companies are about the only two institutions that I can honestly say it might be a good thing to be a little paranoid about. ;)
 

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So long as it's res related.

I enjoy no tax exemption, I live and work off res. I pay income tax, property tax and HST on general purchases.

To me as well.

Ever been audited? Or seen them in action, when they think you owe them money? What a lovely crew of tits. A buddy of mine, just had his bank account emptied on Friday. Even after he made arrangements with them, to bring a resolution to their claims.

Do you pay provincial sales tax. Just asking; no need for knotty knickers.
 

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I was aware of the res requirement, which is more or less why my logic on the situation brought me to the conclusion it did. I don't really have a lot of first hand knowledge regarding taxation, exemptions and First Nations other than a bit of knowledge about POS tax exemptions.
POS exemptions is a sticky issue. Many outlets have signs that ask customers with Tax exempt status to make their purchases at customer service. Where someone with an understanding of who is and isn't actually legally exempt and why, can complete the transaction legally and appropriately.

Smaller retailers have a more difficult time, as they oft have no idea how to complete the transaction on their end, without eating the tax themselves.

Anyone with tax exempt status, can simply file the receipt with the CRA, and get the taxes paid, returned.

But that hasn't stopped some asshats from acting like spoiled children and causing a scene in a store or two.

Which I find completely deplorable.

Yep, I have seen them in action, I work in a public accounting office. When they set their sights on you, you are guilty until proven innocent, and good luck with that!

Basically the general consensus amongst most professionals is that you have to give them something. Even if you as a taxpayer have followed all the rules and have done no wrong, you'll probably need to conceed something. Which rubs me the wrong way in terms of my sense of fairness. And, frankly, I think that contributes to the problem of people lying and cheating.

Yeah, the CRA and insurance companies are about the only two institutions that I can honestly say it might be a good thing to be a little paranoid about. ;)
Don't get me started on insurance companies!

Do you pay provincial sales tax.

I enjoy no tax exemption, I live and work off res. I pay income tax, property tax and HST on general purchases.

Just asking; no need for knotty knickers.

Honest and/or sincere questions cause no knots in my knickers.
 

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POS exemptions is a sticky issue. Many outlets have signs that ask customers with Tax exempt status to make their purchases at customer service. Where someone with an understanding of who is and isn't actually legally exempt and why, can complete the transaction legally and appropriately.

Smaller retailers have a more difficult time, as they oft have no idea how to complete the transaction on their end, without eating the tax themselves.

Anyone with tax exempt status, can simply file the receipt with the CRA, and get the taxes paid, returned.

But that hasn't stopped some asshats from acting like spoiled children and causing a scene in a store or two.

Which I find completely deplorable.

Don't get me started on insurance companies!

I recall here in Ontario right before the HST took effect the sort of last minute scramble to reinstate the point of sale exemption and had to work with a few businesses to help them determine how to correctly record the sales transactions. Not as easy as it sounds. The full 13% HST needs to be reported and the 8% portion representing the provincial part of the tax is reported as a rebate on the return. So I can definitely see where smaller retail outlets just end up eating the discount or exemption. If you don't have a modern programmable cash register, it's just not that easy.

Although, I will admit as someone who actually performs the task of assisting small business in preparing the monthly, quarterly and annual remittances, the elmination of the RST return has decluttered my desk in the middle of each month. And exceptions like the one we've been discussing aside, it does simplify the record keeping.

But I'm still pissed I'm being taxed on my hydro bill.
 
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:angry6:...""Don't get me started on insurance companies!
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Pass a freakin law that says you HAVE to have it, then make it so expensive you can't afford it, then don't pay the claim............nice work if you can get it.:angry6:



Don't get me started on MY HYDRO BILL!!!!!!!!
 

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:angry6:...""Don't get me started on insurance companies!"""


Pass a freakin law that says you HAVE to have it, then make it so expensive you can't afford it, then don't pay the claim............nice work if you can get it.:angry6:



Don't get me started on MY HYDRO BILL!!!!!!!!

Nuggs, do you guys have the so call Smart Meters? They're trying to force them on us here in BC. The war is on.
 
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Yep, we got em.

Pay an additional 13% on your hydro BUT you get to save if you use at off-peak hours. In other words, run the washing machine at 3a.m.

Double screwed.
 

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Yep, we got em.

Pay an additional 13% on your hydro BUT you get to save if you use at off-peak hours. In other words, run the washing machine at 3a.m.

Double screwed.
Screwed to be sure. But nothing beats Toronto Hydro`s big conservation campaign that resulted in a loss in revenue for the provider. So they jacked the price of hydro, to cover their losses.

You have to love that logic.
 

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Well, my hydro bill doubled.

The only fortunate part, I guess, was that the bill was not all that high to begin with. But I'm in a condo with no other options for heating my unit. Still, with a single income, it does take a chunk of it.

And I trust not the ability of any government, or pseudo-governmental agency, to deal with or correct the problem. They are the darned problem!

Remember the three absolute lies in life:

1. The cheque is in the mail.
2. I'll still respect you in the morning.
3. I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.

;)