Presidential type governments placed checks on the president. Parliamentary systems don't have those checks unless they are legislated into place as countries like Sweden have done.
US taking World economy to brink proves Canadian government system better
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Presidential type governments placed checks on the president. Parliamentary systems don't have those checks unless they are legislated into place as countries like Sweden have done.
Isn't that something ... it must be resolved and the Republicans are saying "cut programs for the poor, we're not giving another cent in taxes." It appears like a strange greedy few no different than Libya or Somalia.
They are mad if only in publicizing and delaying this decision. This should have been handled in house long ago ... a matter of fact for the people in the US.
Small companies in Canada don't do well when the loonie is high. Other economies are probably experiencing the same things ... a high loonie means the US can't afford as much. Larger companies can trade with the dollar on par, but not the smaller companies.
It is artificially high while the US economy is unstable, as it has been for a couple of years.
Where is this quote from? I'd like to see who said this exactly.
Or did you make this up?
Say what?
True, the Democrats had two years to do whatever they wanted... four years to do practically anything they wanted yet squandered it.
Yes. The sentence I wrote was my opinion based on listening to the news. It's my understanding that cuts must be made and that the Republicans are resisting any decision that would increase tax for the wealthy. Instead, the argument seems to be that programs should be cut to pay the debt. Is that a sustainable solution?
Libya ... Somalia ... some rich guys that run the show and the rest of the people that work hard.
The Democrats inherited the Bush mess. It took Bush and Dad a few years to create the mess ... how fast do you want it to be solved?
Yes, quite honestly, it is.
'programs should be cut' does not mean 'cut programs for the poor'.
Your alternative seems to suggest no spending cuts. How can you reduce a deficit when you refuse to cut spending?
We've been predicting a devaluation of US currency for a long time round these parts. Maybe just wishful thinking, as a net importer.
Wish I hadn't bought those musical instruments when the exchange rate was $1.20 US for every one of ours. Jeesus, that hurt. Good instruments though.:smile:
Cut spending, or increase tax to the rich ... the money has to be sustainable. There are only so many programs that can be cut before everyone is poor and there's nothing left to cut, but the wealthy will always pay taxes. Seems like a no brainer to me.
Oh my mistake... I thought you said the Republicans said that... oh wait you did. Facts aren't good enough?
Yes... cuts should be made to a lot of programs and government waste. Government is too big. The Republicans are aginst raising taxes on anyone.
Bush AND his Dad created this mess? Gee... wasn't there a President in between? Before you move the goal post I don't think Clinton created any of this mess. He was a good President. I just find humor in the way you skipped over him as if the Bush's served back to back and the Clinton Presidency never happened or that he was at least inept to not make any impact on history.
Now then... Obama is the President and he has made a mess an absolute disaster. He was left with a mess and made it 10x worse. He took an out of control debt and tripled it. He spent wildly and had two years to do whatever he wished. Instead he pushed his liberal agenda and spent wildly with the biggest spending packages in US History.
The days of blaming Bush are done and that doesn't float any longer. He has been in office well over two years and come January he's going to start campaigning for his 2nd term. He has continued both wars and has joined in on a third war. GITMO is STILL open. The economy is still in the ditch. He's done nothing but screw things up.
There are thousands of programs that can be cut or cut back on. Subsidies, pork, earmarks... waste.
Taxing the rich isn't going to solve the problems. Why does government feel that they money people earn belongs to the government. It is the working people that pay for all those programs. The poor in the US are the most well cared for in the world in my opinion. Just look at a welfare line... you'll see that they aren't missing a meal and are actually squeezing a couple extra meals in. They are covered 100% wth regards to Health Care. Growing up in an urban area to lower middle class parents I was able to see the "poor" with the best NIKE sneakers and clothes with their free school lunch cards. Free Housing, subsidized housing, in some cases free cars, gas, and car insurance! Oh woe!
That's what is so sublime about it, Harper parading with seeming presidential powers while working within a parliamentary system. Look back on it from his first becoming PM in 2006 thru 2008. He learned the role well. What other PM in a minority position has been able to twist our system to suit his purpose? The reality is we ain't seen nothing yet wait till parliament reconvenes in the fall.
If the Tea Party insists on destroying America we are going right along with it and never mind the
part about our system being better. We have many wonderful things, like the safety net medical
and pensions, and EI and so on. It should be remembered we instituted those in case we had the
same depression as in the Thirties. In America they played with them to give some a false sense
of security, because of course the great depression couldn't happen again. That is until greed
took over. And remember, greed does not wear a label like Republican or Democrat it is simply
labelled greed. Nothing was done substantially, only cosmetic economics was applied.
Now the money is gone the safety net is not there and to make matters worse there is no money
to correct the situation.
In Canada we are better by a fraction of a degree. The reason, we took programs like EI intended
as a short term measure when unemployed and instituted addons such as maternity leave that
should have been a program unto itself, and financed by those who were going to use it most under
a payroll deduction.
We have done all kinds of things. Our government robbed the EI fund at least once to pay down the
debt, and remember that money was premiums paid by Canadian workers. We have to get our head
out of the sand, everyone has to pay to keep the system running. Middle Class, the Poor, and the
business community large and small. We create jobs so we shouldn't have to pay is nonsense,
We are here consuming goods and working so we should pay less nonsense.
We are the poor and we should consume and get without paying anything nonsense.
There are all kinds of ways to contribute and that is what should happen. Due primarily to economics
even more than climate we are about to face food shortages, high interest rates, unemployment and
even water shortages, brought on by uncontrolled development in many parts of Canada.
Oh and I forgot high inflation. We are not off the hook, reality hasn't made a visit here yet.
The right wing in the United States is so obsessed with destroying Obama, they are content to destroy
America, and much of the Western World. There is a terrible day of economic reckoning coming
very soon. People are in denial if they think otherwise.
part about our system being better. We have many wonderful things, like the safety net medical
and pensions, and EI and so on. It should be remembered we instituted those in case we had the
same depression as in the Thirties. In America they played with them to give some a false sense
of security, because of course the great depression couldn't happen again. That is until greed
took over. And remember, greed does not wear a label like Republican or Democrat it is simply
labelled greed. Nothing was done substantially, only cosmetic economics was applied.
Now the money is gone the safety net is not there and to make matters worse there is no money
to correct the situation.
In Canada we are better by a fraction of a degree. The reason, we took programs like EI intended
as a short term measure when unemployed and instituted addons such as maternity leave that
should have been a program unto itself, and financed by those who were going to use it most under
a payroll deduction.
We have done all kinds of things. Our government robbed the EI fund at least once to pay down the
debt, and remember that money was premiums paid by Canadian workers. We have to get our head
out of the sand, everyone has to pay to keep the system running. Middle Class, the Poor, and the
business community large and small. We create jobs so we shouldn't have to pay is nonsense,
We are here consuming goods and working so we should pay less nonsense.
We are the poor and we should consume and get without paying anything nonsense.
There are all kinds of ways to contribute and that is what should happen. Due primarily to economics
even more than climate we are about to face food shortages, high interest rates, unemployment and
even water shortages, brought on by uncontrolled development in many parts of Canada.
Oh and I forgot high inflation. We are not off the hook, reality hasn't made a visit here yet.
The right wing in the United States is so obsessed with destroying Obama, they are content to destroy
America, and much of the Western World. There is a terrible day of economic reckoning coming
very soon. People are in denial if they think otherwise.
Do you really think that is the goal of the Tea Party? C'mon Grumpy... liberal you may be but I feel that you have more intelligence than to say that is what the Tea Party wants.
Pensions... the best pensions going are Federal and State pensions... all tax payer funded and locked in by laws. Those are things that get the Tea Party upset. I disagree with the Tea Party on a lot of issues like no compromise... but the far left takes the same stance and the far left fringe groups have been around for much longer. The Tea Party is brand new and scares a lot of people... mainly on the left and Democrats.
For the first time in their lives Democrats and U.S Liberals found themselves on the other side of the crowd barriers being shouted at... and they don't like it one bit.
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I am an American citizen but I distrust the US Banking system so much that I have moved all of my financial assets to Canadian and Australian financial institutions for the reasons of trust, confidence and a feeling that those organizations are not involved in the rape of their depositors and some small investors. In the US the banks call their programs "Products." I call them a vehicle made possible by their considerable Political Lobby which legalizes their raids on our funds. I have Zero confidence in the US Banking Institutions and also GM, the leech in the US corporate system. Right now Wall Street, The US Banks and the corporate giants GM and GE are chocking the US in front of everyone. The American sheeples just standby and watch.
Neither system is inherently superior, or inferior to the other.
Both the Parliamentary and the executive/legislative/judicial forms of government have many strengths and many weaknesses.
To attempt to use one situation to "prove" that a system is either better or worse is nothing short of silly. It betrays a serious lack of education about how the US system actually works (hate to tell you, by most politicians are NOT millionaires, and the few that are mostly worked their way to that status).
No system can continue to spend money that it does not have. The Obama administration has increased the US National Debt by over
4 T R I L L I O N dollars in in 2.5 years. At that rate, he will have added 6.4 trillion to the National Debt in 4 years (George W. Bush added 5 Trillion over 8 years).
Sadly, the Liberal Democrats want to go to confiscatory taxation of everyone that has "made it", and see that as the only solution.
Ultra Conservative Republicans want to see most government programs slashed, till spending in brought under control.
If they raise taxes enough to cover the costs PLUS pay down the debt gradually, they will likely through the country if not the whole world) into a massive depression.
If they cut government programs drastically enough to pay the costs of government and begin to pay down the debt, then a lot of poor, disabled, elderly and similar folks are going to be hurt.
There has to be a compromise, and eventually there will be one. Sharp spending cuts along wiht some increased taxation,.
Both the Parliamentary and the executive/legislative/judicial forms of government have many strengths and many weaknesses.
To attempt to use one situation to "prove" that a system is either better or worse is nothing short of silly. It betrays a serious lack of education about how the US system actually works (hate to tell you, by most politicians are NOT millionaires, and the few that are mostly worked their way to that status).
No system can continue to spend money that it does not have. The Obama administration has increased the US National Debt by over
4 T R I L L I O N dollars in in 2.5 years. At that rate, he will have added 6.4 trillion to the National Debt in 4 years (George W. Bush added 5 Trillion over 8 years).
Sadly, the Liberal Democrats want to go to confiscatory taxation of everyone that has "made it", and see that as the only solution.
Ultra Conservative Republicans want to see most government programs slashed, till spending in brought under control.
If they raise taxes enough to cover the costs PLUS pay down the debt gradually, they will likely through the country if not the whole world) into a massive depression.
If they cut government programs drastically enough to pay the costs of government and begin to pay down the debt, then a lot of poor, disabled, elderly and similar folks are going to be hurt.
There has to be a compromise, and eventually there will be one. Sharp spending cuts along wiht some increased taxation,.
I gotta hand it to the US Liberals on this one. They've managed to even convince some conservatives that ANY cut in government programs will only hurt poor, disabled, and elderly.
Don't people need to be working to pay taxes?
Democracy would work okay if there wasn't revolving doors between bank policy makers.
There is a solution other than borrowing Federal Reserve Notes at interest from the Fed Reserve. Send a kill squad after Osma ben Bernancke and his dad Greedspoon torch the place and mint $5 $10 $20 $50 $100 and $1,000 coins and put the bastards out of business.
It's the loop holes that wil give America it's freedom back.
Here's an easy way to fix the problem. No more Omnibus budget bills, no more Ear Marks, whatever reduction in Obamacare is linked to a mutual reduction in defense, get the Federal fingers out of States jurisdictions and gut the entitlment atmophere that permeates the US Agriculture (particularly), Energy, Forestry & mining sectors. Will the TP's go for that?
People need to work, taxes are needed to drive a country. Depriving funds from the FAA was idiotic. 4,000+ out of work and are not paying taxes. Everybody is saying it wasn't their fault, yet a simple vote could get them up and running again.
As for the title of this "US taking World economy to brink proves Canadian government system better" Canada can in no way be compared to a economy like the United States.
No country can, this is unimaginable.
US debt visualized: Stacked in 100 dollar bills
Any country can if they can keep racking up debt like that but soner or later debt has to be paid and credit limits have to peak.
It's now sooner.