What's your opinion on United States Of America?

ironsides

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Greece's problems didn't stem from their social programs

Oh yes it did, lets not forget that for some unknown reason the Greek government does not collect that taxes people owe it. The people created their own socialist monster and didn't want to pay for it.
 

BaalsTears

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Hi there,

I was reading everybody's opinion on this and some of you are spot on. As a Canadian living in Europe, I can say that the US is a form of "pure Capitalism" like many countries in South America where social systems are virtually non-existent. Good retirement plans are private, health care is private, universities are only for the wealthy, crime is rampant compared to other First World Economies, etc. The gap between rich and poor is huge, and each year this is keeps on growing. The US has a "sick" population since many people can't afford decent (or even basic things like check ups, dentists, medicine, etc).

Now, I don't believe in extremes like pure capitalism or communism BUT a good balance between both ideas is needed if you want a health, safe and forward looking country with well-educated people. A country should offer it's people a good (free) schooling system, affordable tertiary education, decent basic health care, a feeling of national and local security (i.e. not feeling the need to sleep with a gun in the house to feel safe.) etc. And to me, this is not what the US offers to it's citizens... and what is worse, many people there think that these basic "rights" are somehow only found in "bad socialist (communist) countries" and that their way is the best. It doesn't matter that kids with cancer are kicked off health plans or that you need a credit card before a hospital will touch you or that their "Freedom of Speech" is only for those that don't speak out against them like Michael Moore - or that, heaven forbid, publishes a book that supposedly promotes witchcraft i.e. Harry Potter... In fact, a country that allows "Creationism" to be taught in schools but questions evolution has somehow lost its way in this great big ocean of change that the world is experiencing.

I'm aghast at your ignorance. You should be ashamed at the grossness and lack of subtlety of your comment. Would you like to fight? I would.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Wooooo! Go Canada!



That is soooo american. Sensationalize one graphic incident to try and make their point. Every now and then there is colorful conduct in Canada.........but no where near the kind of atrocious behavior seen in the US ....just count your "gun" and "shooting' incidents for starters.









We didn't kill him... We gave him a new place to live... See?




and I suppose you think that is cool or cute??? Yep......that would fit the US mindset. of inhumanity and bully tactics. But heck......you BRAG about being a bully and using dastardly vindictive tactics . You want folks to be afraid.of the US. Just like your garden variety bully that thrives on intimidation , target hatred , prejudice and provoking others. until they react out of sheer frustration...... which in turn makes you whine about being 'hated" and then decide they are the enemy so you can invade, torture and occupy them. Yep.........that is the core dynamic of how the USG operates.

to keep proving your intimidation and unethical tactics....... you have no problem making a 90 yr old person remove the incontinent diaper at security checks at the airport??. ( national security has become the cover for even more US atrocious conduct. ).. SHAME ON YOU !! How LOW will you go to make yourself feel important, powerful and the giant world bully??Gestapo tactics US style. The examples of your inhumanity just go on and on. But there are those that BRAG about being a nation to be FEARED. Then they wonder why no one trusts the US.

Take the current example of Pakistan. The US REFUSES to leave a military base there ......even though Pakistan has asked them to. After all that Pakistan has done to assist the US in its wars of horrors. it too gets treated like CRAP .

Try to deny any of the above and make an even bigger fool of yourself.

I'm aghast at your ignorance. You should be ashamed at the grossness and lack of subtlety of your comment. Would you like to fight? I would.

Fight?? Is THAT ALL YOU AMERICANS KNOW???? Just another US bully speaks his "mind" (such as it is) You will never get it , will you.??

I am aghast at YOUR ignorance about YOUR own country. You live in that myth that has become self reinforcing. The points made were valild and relavent.

Alright... You tell me; how did Greece get in this hole?

what does Greece got to do with "opinion on USOFA"???? Another topioc altogether. Furthermore....... the US is not far from being bankrupt itself.
 

EagleSmack

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and I suppose you think that is cool or cute???

Yup... both cool with a certain cuteness.

Yep......that would fit the US mindset. of inhumanity and bully tactics. But heck......you BRAG about being a bully and using dastardly vindictive tactics . You want folks to be afraid.of the US. Just like your garden variety bully that thrives on intimidation , target hatred , prejudice and provoking others. until they react out of sheer frustration...... which in turn makes you whine about being 'hated" and then decide they are the enemy so you can invade, torture and occupy them. Yep.........that is the core dynamic of how the USG operates.


BOMBS AWAY!

to keep proving your intimidation and unethical tactics....... you have no problem making a 90 yr old person remove the incontinent diaper at security checks at the airport??.

Right... we should have tazered her till she had a heart attack and died. Oh wait... that was another coutry that did that. Hmmm... where was that anyways?


( national security has become the cover for even more US atrocious conduct. ).. SHAME ON YOU !! How LOW will you go to make yourself feel important, powerful and the giant world bully??

All this while a Canadian General leads the charge in the Libya Bombing. How long has that been going on now?

Gestapo tactics US style. The examples of your inhumanity just go on and on.

Simply Google "Somalia Incident"... then we'll chat. hehehe

But there are those that BRAG about being a nation to be FEARED. Then they wonder why no one trusts the US.
Take the current example of Pakistan. The US REFUSES to leave a military base there ......even though Pakistan has asked them to. After all that Pakistan has done to assist the US in its wars of horrors. it too gets treated like CRAP .

Try to deny any of the above and make an even bigger fool of yourself.

$4 Billion in aid is being treated like crap. I wish the US Govt would treat me like crap like that.
 

EagleSmack

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Fight?? Is THAT ALL YOU AMERICANS KNOW???? Just another US bully speaks his "mind" (such as it is) You will never get it , will you.??


Wake up sunshine... you're right there with us in two out of three wars and are leading in one of them.



I am aghast at YOUR ignorance about YOUR own country. You live in that myth that has become self reinforcing. The points made were valild and relavent.

I'd like to say that I am aghast at your ignorance PERIOD. But I am not surprised at all.

Just another one that can't get over his insecurities.



Furthermore....... the US is not far from being bankrupt itself.

Yeah... they keep telling us that. lol
 

Ocean Breeze

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The Tazer incident was WRONG...... and it has been addressed. It was embarrassing to those that did it and they have been shunned and reprimanded. It was a tragedy. that did not need to happen. It left a black mark on the system and the security personel.

Hopefully they learned from it.

( the diaper / old person story is just one example of many where travellers have been humiiliated and abused. ).

about Pakistan. Once again........you think "aid" which is nothing more than BRIBES and a form of extortion , can cover the US bully conduct ???
 

ironsides

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Take the current example of Pakistan. The US REFUSES to leave a military base there ......even though Pakistan has asked them to. After all that Pakistan has done to assist the US in its wars of horrors. it too gets treated like CRAP .

Try to deny any of the above and make an even bigger fool of yourself.

WASHINGTON: The United States is rejecting demands from Pakistani officials that American personnel abandon a military base used by the CIA to stage drone strikes against suspected militants, US officials told Reuters.

US personnel have not left the remote military installation known as Shamsi Air Base and there is no plan for them to do so, said a US official familiar with the matter, who asked for anonymity to discuss sensitive material.

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?240984

What are you talking about, they want us to leave and we won't till we are done with what ever missions we need till were finished.
 

sedona

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I lived in USA
California
during the 60's

what a fine time it was!

it was a dream of mine

i have been back

but things change

I am not Anti-American
and believe there is some good and
bad in both Canada and U>S
but i cant debate
no puter

just wanted to mention this

I loved San Fran

and I also loved Maine


Sedona :)
 

EagleSmack

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The Tazer incident was WRONG...... and it has been addressed. It was embarrassing to those that did it and they have been shunned and reprimanded. It was a tragedy. that did not need to happen. It left a black mark on the system and the security personel.


Oh so you are saying that people make mistakes and do stupid things?


( the diaper / old person story is just one example of many where travellers have been humiiliated and abused. ).

Is she breathing?

about Pakistan. Once again........you think "aid" which is nothing more than BRIBES and a form of extortion , can cover the US bully conduct ???

Well Canada gives out more BRIBES per capita than the US!

"Every once and awhile there is "colorful" conduct in Canada" says Ocean Breeze

Rioting is considered colorful?




How colorful. :roll::
 

petros

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I think they need to move Seattle further from the Canadian border. Vancouver must be a bad influence if they will riot without needing a hockey game to set them off.

What sport set off the Battle of Seattle?
 

EagleSmack

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I think they need to move Seattle further from the Canadian border. Vancouver must be a bad influence if they will riot without needing a hockey game to set them off.

What sport set off the Battle of Seattle?

LOL. Seattle doesn't need a sport. I'm surprised they didn't have a solidarity riot with their sister city!
 

Ocean Breeze

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I think that stereotype of the bragging patriotic American is a bit dated. You can hardly complain about Americans stereotyping Canadians, Americans knowing so little about the rest of the world, etc. - you've shot yourself in the foot with that one, I'm afraid. So, you've managed to attract a few comments from Americans who are angry over bashing and you got the reaction you were looking for? It's a bit tiresome and old hand.

And surely, Ocean Breeze, there's nothing factual about anyone American loving war. Your rant just bypassed all those families who have sons and daughters fighting thousands of miles away. They're not stick figures, they are young people who love their home and country and would rather be back home instead of where they are, right? Now, I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced that you are a better person from a better country because of your remarks....

a) this has NOTHING to do with me or you as a person.

b) One of the reasons I am so against all these wars is because of the young people & their families whos lives are changed forever because of the horrors of these invasions. These are NOT essential wars. of true defense. They are elective wars based on LIES. It is disgusting the such fine young people should be dyning, getting maimed, crippled for life on the basis of political LIES??

c). If america did not love war........it would not start so many and manipulate others into going along with them so they don't have to be the only one to blame . for being a militant mindset .

d) does it make you feel better to spin things around by reminding yourself that Canada and others are involved as well. Does it make you feel less responsible for the grief you cause?? No matter how much you spin things.....it is the US that is the war loving state. The buck stops with the USG. So trying to wiggle out of that role by bringing in Canada's role is childish. furthermore ........is THAT how you show your gratitude to Canada for being an ally ????

e) and yes, I will rant against any war loving nation and war creating nation. that lies itself into justifying the horrors of war/

f) IF you spent as much money on what the US population needs. ( better education,for all, better health services for ALL. more scientific research in medicine and even space exploration to expand man's knowledge........ the US would be a very fine nation indeed.

WASHINGTON: The United States is rejecting demands from Pakistani officials that American personnel abandon a military base used by the CIA to stage drone strikes against suspected militants, US officials told Reuters.

US personnel have not left the remote military installation known as Shamsi Air Base and there is no plan for them to do so, said a US official familiar with the matter, who asked for anonymity to discuss sensitive material.

Pakistan News Service - PakTribune

What are you talking about, they want us to leave and we won't till we are done with what ever missions we need till were finished.


that is exactly it. You will prolong your "missions' , redefine them until the original reason for being there is lost , while dissing off the host nation that has been so helpful to you for so long. Admit it........you want to occupy Pakistan too as it would be militarily stratetic .
 

EagleSmack

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a) this has NOTHING to do with me or you as a person.

b) One of the reasons I am so against all these wars is because of the young people & their families whos lives are changed forever because of the horrors of these invasions. These are NOT essential wars. of true defense. They are elective wars based on LIES. It is disgusting the such fine young people should be dyning, getting maimed, crippled for life on the basis of political LIES??

c). If america did not love war........it would not start so many and manipulate others into going along with them so they don't have to be the only one to blame . for being a militant mindset .

d) does it make you feel better to spin things around by reminding yourself that Canada and others are involved as well. Does it make you feel less responsible for the grief you cause?? No matter how much you spin things.....it is the US that is the war loving state. The buck stops with the USG. So trying to wiggle out of that role by bringing in Canada's role is childish. furthermore ........is THAT how you show your gratitude to Canada for being an ally ????

e) and yes, I will rant against any war loving nation and war creating nation. that lies itself into justifying the horrors of war/

f) IF you spent as much money on what the US population needs. ( better education,for all, better health services for ALL. more scientific research in medicine and even space exploration to expand man's knowledge........ the US would be a very fine nation indeed.

sigh...

Tell me... Have the Canadian Commanders only instructed pilots to drop flower bouquets and fruit baskets on the heads of the Libyians?

Don't give me the "gratitude" crap. You guys are in charge. Where is your gratitude? We shouldn't be Bombing the Brains out of them but we are under the orders of a Canadian.

Your argument is FLAT. You are involved and have been involved in so many conflicts under the guise of "Peace Keeping" where very little peace has been kept. You sat out on ONE in the past 20 years... just ONE and that was the Iraq 2003.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

that is exactly it. You will prolong your "missions' , redefine them until the original reason for being there is lost , while dissing off the host nation that has been so helpful to you for so long. Admit it........you want to occupy Pakistan too as it would be militarily stratetic .

Now you are just being silly and nonsensical.

Please define what stratetic is?
 

Ocean Breeze

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Three, there bombed for free, were not at war with them. Yet.


Not officially. By the time the US declares war there......it will have been warring for some time. IF it declares war at all. The whole war complex has taken on a very different role now. & tone now. It is more lethally manipulative more deceptive, more devious and probably because they are not being fought for defense of country. But for GREED , expanded power, more imperialism and world domination.

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when China is concerned about how the US is spending the money it borrows from them , the US is in serious financial trouble.

it will be economics that destroys the US if the US is not careful. It cannot blame anyone for that problem...... as is its usual style.
 

EagleSmack

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Not officially. By the time the US declares war there......it will have been warring for some time. IF it declares war at all. The whole war complex has taken on a very different role now. & tone now. It is more lethally manipulative more deceptive, more devious and probably because they are not being fought for defense of country. But for GREED , expanded power, more imperialism and world domination.


Canada ordering more smart bombs for Libya campaign


"Good day eh? I'm off to deliver more fruit baskets!"