The casual arming of the idiot cousins in the country directly south of Canada.
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Wasting YOUR time!!!
We are talking the availability of firearms and the relationship (if any) between that and murder rates......and you go off on some irrelevant tangent about stats that include B&E, indecent exposure, and jaywalking, for all I know!
If you have a problem with the MURDER RATE stats as presented, give up your own sources, and we will deal with them....
But you won't, because you can't, and that means you lose again.
They believe in firearms as a defense against violent crime. Your list says nothing about violent crime, just crime in general... based on the fact that the worst offending nations appear to be Western, I view it with a very jaundiced eye...
That's ridiculous since most violent crimes are committed with guns. How could more people walking around with firearms possibly reduce violent murders? Also accidental deaths are frequent amongst homeowners who have a gun.
Anyways..
Murders with firearms (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster
U.S.A #8 firearm murders .
Anyways..
Murders with firearms (per capita) statistics - countries compared - Crime data on NationMaster
U.S.A #8 firearm murders .
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The list of murder by firearm is largely irrelevant. The gun control folks consistently insist that gun control prevents murder, therefore my rights need to be truncated to make the country safer..........
So, it is elementary....if gun control prevents murder, then murder rates should drop when gun control is introduced, and rise when gun laws are struck down........
Unfortunately for your position on the matter exactly the opposite is true.
You seem incapable of getting past the idea that people killed with guns are somehow more tragically dead than people killed in any other way.........if a person has mayhem in their heart, and wishes to kill, and can't get a firearm.....they will use a knife, a spear, a
baseball bat, a garotte, poison, a push off a tall building, drowning, their fists, a can of gasoline and a match, their car, length of pipe, a hatchet, a pillow, or a rock.
But firearms are by far the best method of self-defense, the equalizer.........as the old saying goes, God didn't make men (and women) equal, Colonel Colt did.
Okay...........lets get to the stats. Prior to 1989, few states in the USA allowed people to carry guns for self-defense. In 1989 the state of Florida passed a "must issue" law that required officials to grant concealed carry permits to all applicants of good character that had passed a minimal training course.
Violent crime rates crashed. States rapidly took up the cause, state after state after state passing similar laws.......until today 41 states have "must issue" laws (or no law at all preventing carry) and an additional 8 have somewhat stricter, but still available personal carry licenses.
At its peak in 1991, the US murder rate was 9.8 per 100,000.
After 18 years of consistently more available firearms and slackening restrictions on the carriage of handguns, the murder rate is 5.0 per 100,000.
More Guns, Less Crime by John Lott. Read it. It is an exhaustive study, county by county of the USA.........and the conclusion is in the title.
BTW, the same phenomenon in Canada......murder spiked (slightly) the year after the complete implementation of the long gun registry......and has yet to drop back to its former point.....
The same thing happened in both Great Britain and Australia after they introduced tough gun control......the murder rate went up!!!!!
Which simply proves one thing for sure: Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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OKAY! I let you get away with this initially, but you had to push it.
I call Bull Sh"yte.
Please list, with links, the ARMS the United States sold to the Axis between September 3, 1939 and December 7, 1941.
Good luck......if you find ANY such sales, they will be miniscule. You will find that Roosevelt was extremely hostile to Germany, withdrawing the US ambassador within a week of Kristallnacht, in November of 1938.
As for supplies, the USA started lend-lease with the Allied sides a full nine months before Pearl Harbour..........the USA shipped over 50 billion dollars worth of aid to the Allied side......($780 Billion in 2008 dollars), for which the USA was paid a paltry 8$ billion....and most of that was actually given up in kind......rent for US bases.
You are absolutely, 180 degrees WRONG in your contention................
No it isn't. Where is the gun control ? Every fat yank is walking around with one.
This isn't necessary true ... How do you figure Columbine could have happened without the use of firearms ?
True, some old folks who can't walk or women who live alone may be better off owning a gun for his/her own protection. Maybe in special cases like these they could be allowed guns for defense. I don't think hundreds of millions of yanks should be walking around with one though.
More Guns, Less Crime by John Lott was thoroughly disputed by academics everywhere. B.S statistics shown. Here's a few
More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here are some cons about gun ownership that make sense
Criminals are more likely to arm themselves with firearms if they suspect that victims may also be armed. Felons report that they often carry firearms to deter victims from resisting. [17] A victim drawing a gun during an attack sends a signal to the offender that more force must be used to overpower the victim during an attack.
Adults who carry concealed handguns are often inadequately trained. Some states do not require any hands-on training before receiving a concealed carry permit. Public safety should be left to trained police officers who are less likely to shoot innocent bystanders.
Carrying a concealed handgun increases the chances of a confrontation escalating and turning lethal. The chances of a handgun being used inappropriately increase when normally responsible adults are intoxicated, tired, afraid, or untrained in conflict resolution. [13]
"Shall-issue" laws lead to increases in the rates of rape, robbery, and violent crime. A 1995 peer-reviewed study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology by David McDowall, PhD, et al. of five urban cities found that gun homicide rates increased an average of 4.5% following the enactment of "shall-issue" laws. [12] A May 2009 peer-reviewed study by Yale professors Ian Ayres, PhD, and John Donohue, PhD, that appeared in the Econ Journal Watch found that "shall-issue" laws increased aggravated assault (149 KB)
(sigh) Do you want to debate, or just insult a people for no particular reason?????
What about Canada, Australia, Great Britain????
67 dead. No firearms.
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Absolutely true..........and they had some points. I've read some of the criticism. But, you know, most often their complaints are philosophically based........and I have NEVER read one that claimed that Right to Carry laws increased the murder rate......so. A choice. More freedom. Less freedom. No effect on safety. Who wouldn't choose more freedom???
A lot of people, unfortunately.
And, BTW, I do think carrying guns prevents crime. I carried one for 11 years, and with it I carried millions of dollars. Funny, no one tried to rob me. wonder why?????
Oh, and please quit quoting "gun homicide rates"........it is a strawman for the stupid, and doesn't make you look very good.
What about those countries besides stricter gun laws and less crime than the united states?
Not applicable to the western world where our buildings aren't made of straw and could be easily set ablaze.
What do you mean you carried millions of dollars, you were driving an armored truck or something?
Why did the murder rate in each country spike (slightly) after the imposition of new gun laws?
Why do you insist on behaving this way???? You know very well the building was not made of straw, and the situation was exactly the parallel of Columbine.....except almost five times as many people died. Concede a point now and then....it will do you good.
Yeah....I worked for an armored car company for years.....when I left, I was crew chief.....and local training officer. Not only did I carry guns, I taught others how to defend themselves....with guns.
Let me explain something to you.
Anybody that wants a gun can get one. This country is absolutely awash in illegal guns. I would be willingly to lay a bet that I could lay hands on an illegal handgun within 24 hours, and I am in late middle age, still involved in security work, and not exactly tied in to the criminal underground.
Gun laws only restrict the law abiding........that's it.
The only significance my former career has is that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the specifics of armed self-defense........and I know that being armed is a deterrent to crime.
It's not a deterrent to crime and the evidence is overwhelming ........
I'll leave with a statistic even you can comprehend
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The U.S has a higher homicide rate via firearms than Northern Ireland.
Total firearm-related deaths totaling more than MEXICO and BRAZIL!
It's clear what happens when you allow a population to own firearms. Violent crime levels rise, and this is no surprise to anyone with a brain.
I'll leave with a statistic even you can comprehend
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The U.S has a higher homicide rate via firearms than Northern Ireland.
Total firearm-related deaths totaling more than MEXICO and BRAZIL!
It's clear what happens when you allow a population to own firearms. Violent crime levels rise, and this is no surprise to anyone with a brain.
Irrelevant.
Explain Switzerland. Every male between 18 and 45 keeps a fully auto assault rifle in their home. Firearms ownership is ENCOURAGED by the gov't.....one can keep their military rifle after age 45....it is simply converted to semi-auto.
The proof is Switzerland has a murder rate of .71 per 100,000....look carefully, that is POINT .71 per 100,000....one of the lowest rates on earth.
The proof is Mexico has three times the murder rate of the USA.....despite very strict gun control.
DEAD is DEAD.
And as for the "even you" crack, do you find it physically impossible to keep a civil tongue in your head????
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Big Time.
Crooks are generally cowards and the thought of harm to their person looms large.
Just the threat that the other guy might be carrying a weapon has deterred many crimes. Owning a gun by itself will not as you said deter a crime, but knowing how to use one surely will.