What's up with all the strikes lately?

YukonJack

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As far as I understand, CP offered them a 1.9% raise (which they did not like), so the government stepped in and is forcing them to take a 1.2% raise.

That kind of annual raise in my pension would be welcome, especially in view of the fact I would contribute more to society, retired, than the postal 'workers' 'working' by virtue of the fact that I would not cost more than I am worth.
 

Tonington

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Let's set aside, for a moment, the notion that Canada Post workers are simultaneously so irrelevant they should be chided for attempting to negotiate a good contract, and yet so essential that the government had to intervene to legislate them back to work.

A point many failed to grasp...
 

petros

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That kind of annual raise in my pension would be welcome, especially in view of the fact I would contribute more to society, retired, than the postal 'workers' 'working' by virtue of the fact that I would not cost more than I am worth.
You already got you increase to your CPP for the year. It was 1.7%

That $16 and change really ought to come in handy for you YukonJack.
 
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Tonington

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That kind of annual raise in my pension would be welcome, especially in view of the fact I would contribute more to society, retired, than the postal 'workers' 'working' by virtue of the fact that I would not cost more than I am worth.

I wouldn't be too sure about that if I were you. I'm reminded of an accounting method that was used in costs/benefits analyses by the EPA. It caused quite an uproar in the US. Policy decisions with the EPA for example looked at the costs of implementing a new regulation, versus the benefits of implementing it. Seniors were valued quite a bit lower than the younger cohorts.

It was called the Senior Death Discount by environmental groups who opposed this accounting.

E.P.A. Drops Age-Based Cost Studies - NYTimes.com
 

cranky

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I might be able to accept the wage rate, if they are giving in on some sort of hardline stance, for instance if the pensions got the boost that the union was asking for.

A point many failed to grasp...

I caught that right away.
 

TenPenny

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Well there's more to it. They wanted pensions, if I'm not mistaken - and like Air Canada - they didn't get them.

Well, not quite. They had pensions, and they still have pensions. Same as Air Canada. I think that CP wanted to change pensions for new employees, which is what they wanted at Air Canada.

Some issues are going to go to arbitration, but the wages issue was decreed by Parliament.
 

petros

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Instead of simply ending the lock out they pass back to work legislation and force them to accept peanuts?

What sort of retards voted in these retards?
 

TenPenny

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That kind of annual raise in my pension would be welcome, especially in view of the fact I would contribute more to society, retired, than the postal 'workers' 'working' by virtue of the fact that I would not cost more than I am worth.

As a pensioner, you should not get any annual increase. You have what you have, and that should be the end of it. If you were any sort of real conservative, you wouldn't have a pension, you'd have a retirement fund, and live off whatever income it made.
 

JLM

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As a pensioner, you should not get any annual increase. You have what you have, and that should be the end of it. If you were any sort of real conservative, you wouldn't have a pension, you'd have a retirement fund, and live off whatever income it made.

That's bullsh*t T.P. - if paid employees are going to continue to strike and drive up inflation, then the pensioner should receive a C.O.L.A. to keep up. 8O
 

TenPenny

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That's bullsh*t T.P. - if paid employees are going to continue to strike and drive up inflation, then the pensioner should receive a C.O.L.A. to keep up. 8O

Nope, your day is done. You should get what you worked for, nothing more.

What kind of socialist idea is that, you get more money every year simply for living? Don't think so.
 

JLM

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Nope, your day is done. You should get what you worked for, nothing more.

What kind of socialist idea is that, you get more money every year simply for living? Don't think so.

If someone doesn't kill you first and you reach pensionable age you might just change your tune. You are probably the main reason employees think they need Unions. :roll:
 

TenPenny

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My roommate is trying to tell me that because the posties' contract is up, they are being forced back to work under a "temporary" contract with a lower wage than what they had before they even went on strike. Can anyone verify this?

Nobody can verify that, because it's bull****.

They are being forced to take a lower increase than what CanadaPost offered. Not a pay cut.

My god, doesn't anyone read anything any more?
 

cranky

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its called 'indexed pensions' and its not a bull**** idea, its a very good idea. Most pensioners dont live very long, hence the company saves alot of money. Whomever is lucky enough to live 10, 20, 30 years into retirement ought to see enough increases to compensate for cost of living and inflation.
 

Fingertrouble

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What a load of bull***t!!!!! Yes CP are trying to make a profit, none of these companies that are having strikes are charities! If they don't make profits then these very strikers stand to lose more than just a pay raise and god forbid the company goes belly up then either they sink faster than the Titanic or us taxpayers will be left to bail them out and pick up the pieces. if CP were making obscene profits I could understand some of your argument, but the fact is they are not, the market they are in has changed dramatically because of technology and they need to change they whole business plan to swim with the others in the same industry or stay they same and sink like many other big fish.

If they go under how much money do we think is going to be around for those current or future pensioners, can anyone confirm if their pensions are safe? I would like to hear what a bankruptcy lawyer has to say regarding this.
 

Omicron

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Canada postal service workers - going on strike

Canadian airline workers - going on strike

Saskatchewan teachers - going on strike

Saskatchewan health providers - going on strike

BC Teachers - going on strike

Calgary city workers - going on strike

strike, strike, strike, strike..


wtf people?

Do your jobs really suck that much?

http://tunes.digitalock.com/OtisTaylorNastyLetter.mp3 <-- click to hear what I am listening to while typing.

Umpteem thousand postal workers didn't necessarily love the job, but at least it offered secure retirement. They punched the pavement in order to not end up like their deeply damaged ancestors.

Then darkness yanked that so said yankers could become kings of the world with the king-of-the-castle be he-who-has-the-most-mighty-money-castle.

From the postal worker's point of view, their work was in fact a "sweat equity" investment in the civilization being developed, easily understood by anyone knowing how economics work.

Imagine what you get as a civilization when MBA jerkoff turds of dumness useless unless put to war on the front line were to rewrite economic policy in order to turn life into a war.

Leadership is about knowing where to put people so everyone gets what they want such that all are happy.

Some say that such an attitude is too nice.

Okay fine. Elizabeth the First used to have game-playing traitors submitted to psychopaths who'd make a game out of slitting their guts and pulling out the intestines before their eyes. (I'm still not sure of the social value of that, given how I think it would have had better effect if seen by a crowd... evidently she might take things personally and not care if it was to impress a crowd).

Anyway.

I'm telling you guys... $36 billion for some old-school jets is not nearly enough to cover the arctic nor coastlines the way 1500 Bombardier-built drones to patrol the coast against people-smugglers plus save the cost of northern patrol controlled from a command and control center somewhere in Canada, *and* still enough is left over to launch a $15 billion national GPS system.

Why is that always the show stopper?

Why is it every time I show Canadians they can launch their own GPS system for less then half of what Harper wants to spend on jets the Americans are fire-sailing away, the frikkin' Canuck-heads block it?

I asked Americans how they'd react if someone yanked their 401Ks.

They said it was insane.
 
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