Policing Poverty ( Securing Homelessness )

[captain morgan]

You really have to learn to read instead of only seeing what you want to see. Read my post again; it says nothing about anyone in Canada being denied social benefits.

The post where you make the implication?

Now I realize that those who believe that the homeless should be denied any social benefits will not like this, but it does make good economic sense.

You really are asking the wrong guy when it comes to new ideas.

No sh*t

 

[mentalfloss]

being != should be

 

[captain morgan]

I have spoken to some of the younger and seemingly able-bodied homeless people who live on the sidewalks of Toronto and a few of them choose this as a lifestyle, moving back and forth between Vancouver, Toronto & Montreal, as weather permits. Some people like the the transient, nomad life I guess.

No doubt there are lots of different reasons/causes for homelessness.

In my view, if this is an issue that is going to be addressed properly, the cause(s) have to be dealt with in order to generate any kind of effective solution.

 

[Unforgiven]

There is a couple who get welfare in three different provinces and travel between them to keep up the paper work and keep the scam going.

Let's not use that example as the usual case. Some people come from long term poverty, parent was poor and they were raised on welfare. Some move on and take school or training and find gainful employment. Others for what ever reason do not. I agree that some people need individual attention to get them off welfare rolls and into work and self supporting positions.

You can't tell someone who is quadriplegic that they need to take responsibility for themselves. Yet if someone who isn't visibly disabled is expected to? These are the people who fall through the cracks when these clean up the poor and the homeless crusades come around.

 

[captain morgan]

Those with real issues that prevent them from being able to fully function in the community absolutely need those services. By in large, the social safety net is designed for these folks and also exists for those that need a hand-up until they get back on their feet.

Unfortunately, the aforementioned group is being affected in a negative way by the very large population of those that do not have the same critical issues that prevent their participation in the community and the economy.

I can't begin to imagine the extra benefit that could be applied to those with physical or mental/psychological issues if the system didn't have to support those unnecessary cases.

 

[lone wolf]

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

Why don't they have a home? Spend too much time looking for places to rent at the pub? Bag of weed shorting them on damage deposit? Too good to live in a bachelor pad until they can find something bigger? Too good to walk or car pool to work? Apparently they haven't made enough sacrifices to find a home.
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McDonlad's wages do not a rent make

 

[Bar Sinister]

The post where you make the implication?


No sh*t

There are remedial reading course available, CM. I suggest you take one. It would greatly help with your levels of reading comprehension. Once again you are trying to make a point by reading in your interpretation of what is written rather than what is actually there. I note that for the most part no one else has the slightest problem understanding my posts so I can only assume that the problem lies with you. However, just to make you happy I will repost the comment in question - read it again if you can find any place in it where I stated that anyone in Canada is denied benefits I will apologize.

Now I realize that those who believe that the homeless should be denied any social benefits will not like this, but it does make good economic sense.

If you still don't understand it I will explain it phrase by phrase.

 

[cranky]

A bit off topic, but what is the policy for social services? will they issue cheques to a homeless person, or does the homeless person need an address like a local shelter? When they use the address from the local shelter, does the shelter dip into the homeless's support cheque or is he allowed to keep it all? What jhappens if you have a guy that likes to move down to the edge of a river every summer, and he's happy to not use the homeless shelter, does he lose his money?

 

[captain morgan]

There are remedial reading course available, CM. I suggest you take one. It would greatly help with your levels of reading comprehension. Once again you are trying to make a point by reading in your interpretation of what is written rather than what is actually there. I note that for the most part no one else has the slightest problem understanding my posts so I can only assume that the problem lies with you. However, just to make you happy I will repost the comment in question - read it again if you can find any place in it where I stated that anyone in Canada is denied benefits I will apologize.

Now I realize that those who believe that the homeless should be denied any social benefits will not like this, but it does make good economic sense.

If you still don't understand it I will explain it phrase by phrase.

Well Bar, when folks like you traffik in innuendo and speculation, all that is left for the reader is to apply their individual interpretation.

That said, thanks for reposting, but the assessment still stands. And for the record and to repeat my statement, no one in Canada is denied access to the social benefits so once again, your speculative statement is moot.

 

[GreenFish66]

I've been homeless....Lived in my car...Went on back pack tours..My choice..(Many don't have the choice..)

I'd like to see Fat Cats do that ...

Survival of the Fittest would erase half the population ...

I think it's time People on assistance and the Working poor , work together to try and secure a little more of that money from those, who have more money, than they could ever spend in 15 lifetimes...

Instead of fighting each other for nickles and dimes..

There are a lot of misconceptions about the poor/homeless...

Many try to work but are unable due to Metal illness/ Handicaps/Addictions/ Criminal Backgrounds...

Assistance does not Assist...$300 a month ...for a middle age man..

$12,000 yr ....$700* 12 = $8400 yr for rent..Leaves $3600 yr or $300 month for food. ...

I lived off $3500 .Just to see if I could... ( to examine the system ...It is Broken and does not care...)

I know the System ....I've lived it all ...From Top to Bottom and back again ...

Green/Clean Tech ..
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No one in Canada is 'denied' social benefits.

Many are continuously Denied over and over again ..1 wrong move ..they try to make you pay it back ..Even though, they know, you have no $$$$...

Government Assistance Workers are Heartless...False Faces of a Broken Bureaucrazy

 

[YukonJack]

When I was young and poor and broke I had the choice of being homeless or work underground in the mines. Since I was even then grown up enough and honest enough and smart enough and proud and sel-respecting enough, I opted for the latter.

 

[GreenFish66]

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Most of the Problems are due to Addictions/Mental, Physical Disabilites/ Criminal Backgrounds..


Solutions?

Mental/Physical Disabilites ... Not too much can be done about this ...These people need places to live/Dignity..
.Perhaps appartments specifically set up for these needs...Including proper Security and Social assistance .In house medical.
All in 1 building...

Preferably a Green/CleanTech Building of the Future...Where they can contribute to their own livelyhood..

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Addictions - Most addicts are addicted to pharmaceuticals...Fewer to Street Drugs ..( I am for ..Injection sites )

Appartment Buildings specifically for these addicts...They will be given a place to live provided they attend required classes..
If they fail to attend these required meetings , or spend their rent on drugs ...They will be sent to a more secure Building ...Halfway house, where they will remain, until they prove they deserve their freedom again ...

If addicts do not accept the terms of the rental contract , ending up homeless on the street ...They will be arrested and incarcerated...Only way out is to take manditory classes until the holding facility is satisfied you deserve to leave...

This structure already exists ... Just broken and abused by Government Bureaucracies...This system should be streamlined ..

Yes to injection sites...

Those who want to be helped ... Should be helped ...
Those who don't ..and break the law ...Will be made to conform to the laws of the land...

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Criminal Backgrounds... All need a chance for rehabilatation .Unfortunately for all .These people are often not given the chance to prove they can be productive .

Conditional Pardons should be automatically granted after 10 yrs without re-offending....

I believe In Jail House Programs should be manditory... Including addictions programs/ Adjustment programs / Back to work programs\ Living Programs.......


Alll should be Given Food and shelter if they can prove they deserve it ...

The rest ...Will rot in their cell..

$12, 000 a yr for food and shelter should be the manditory saftey net ... with Manditory Addictions programs/ Adjustment programs / Back to work programs\ Living Programs

No free Handouts...If An Addict goes to a social worker at a dropin center/Shelter begging for rent money , after spending it all on drugs ..They should be given the money ONLY if they accept the Manditory requirements listed above..

All could Contribute , live a Good healthy/ Productive lifestyle ...in A Green/CleanTech Building of the Future...

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/89154-green-clean-tech.html


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There are always people worse off ...Who have bettered themselves..
I've seen it many times..

These people should be Commended/Rewarded/ Acknowledged for their efforts...

When I was young and poor and broke I had the choice of being homeless or work underground in the mines. Since I was even then grown up enough and honest enough and smart enough and proud and sel-respecting enough, I opted for the latter.

That's the proud/productive way to go Yukon Jack ..As long as the wage and health benefits are acceptable ...Although I worry .. more and more every year, people are being forced to make that very decision .It doesn't seem like much of a choice..Work for nothing or ..Surviving off nothing, in unacceptable conditions..

People should not be forced to be Zombie Slave Drones

We should all be productive Citizens..( Manditory Voting ? anyway)

It is unacceptable, especially in a 1st world country ...

 

[Bar Sinister]

Well Bar, when folks like you traffik in innuendo and speculation, all that is left for the reader is to apply their individual interpretation.

Yes I guess you are right about that. Why don't you give it up?

BTW do you even know what innuendo means?

I note that as usual were were unable to refute anything in my post.

 

[captain morgan]

Yes I guess you are right about that. Why don't you give it up?

BTW do you even know what innuendo means?

No thanks on the giving up part, I leave that to folks like yourself.

As per your question on the meaning of innuendo, well, I could provide an academic definition that would be along the lines of your theoretical, text-book world; but the real working meaning would still be lost on you.

As the old expression goes: Those who can, do: Those who can't, teach.

 

[GreenFish66]

Living Wage = $12-$14/hr ...$14+ with vehicle ...Is why I think it's important for Car manufacturers to pay a Living Wage...

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Another way to go for the previously mentioned Groups (Recovering Addicts/Special Needs/Ex Cons/Homeless) could be a Co-operative Communitee Living model.

Where residents are required to contribute/ Work in their assigned communitee inorder to recieve Housing/Benefits ...
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" Step up " Model might look something like ;

Homeless - Monitored/Regulated Apartment Building(Green/Clean Tech Building of the future )
- Co-op Communitee living -Productive Self Sufficient Citizen.

Ex-Con - Halfway House/Shelter - Monitored Apartment Building(Green/Clean Tech Building) -
Co-Op Communitee Living - Productive Self Sufficient Citizen ..

Recovering Addict - Mandatory Rehab facility - Monitored Apartment Building (Green/Clean Tech Building) - Co-Op Communitee Living - Productive Self Suffient Citizen( with temporary, mandatory check ups ) ...

Special Needs - Monitored Apartment Building(Green/Clean Tech Building) - Co-Op Communitee Living - Productive Self Suffient Citizen( All with necessary assistance) ...

 

[Bar Sinister]

No thanks on the giving up part, I leave that to folks like yourself.

As per your question on the meaning of innuendo, well, I could provide an academic definition that would be along the lines of your theoretical, text-book world; but the real working meaning would still be lost on you.

As the old expression goes: Those who can, do: Those who can't, teach.

So you say, but that expression is quoted most often by those who are incapable of learning. I believe that fits you to a T. And in this thread as in all of the others in which we have crossed swords I notice that once again you have run out of intelligent things to say. Come to think of it it is quite rare for you to have anything intelligent to say.

 

[YukonJack]

"BTW do you even know what innuendo means?"

I heard 'innuendo' is the Italian word for Preparation H.

 

[captain morgan]

So you say, but that expression is quoted most often by those who are incapable of learning. I believe that fits you to a T. And in this thread as in all of the others in which we have crossed swords I notice that once again you have run out of intelligent things to say. Come to think of it it is quite rare for you to have anything intelligent to say.

What a hoot... This coming from one that expresses their expert opinion based on subjective experience and anecdotal evidence? Sorry Bar, that expression is quoted by those that do and whose work supports the efforts of those that can't.

You're choked-up because I've taken a run at your precious union or have debunked you're incorrect assertions on European healthcare. I have provided you with support for my statements and even encouraged you to find the info yourself, but in your typical internet debating style, your response is to demand 'links' and then question the validity of the link. It's predictable... Too predictable.

Go out and learn something for yourself and maybe you can talk intelligently about the issues.

No wonder our education system is in a shambles with the likes of you leading the youth down the wrong path.

 

[GreenFish66]

Stay on topic, go pander handle Somewhere else..NO Loiterin'.Move Along ...Damn Freeloaders..Don't wanna read ya's bickerin' No More....Your scarin' away the viewers..

Sound Like a couple a Ol' Ladies fightin' over the last Bingo Ticket...

Stick your innuenndo talk...InurEndo..

 

[captain morgan]

These threads evolve... Not every post is going to be a wholesale agreement with your point of view.