Boy, 13 Brutally Murdered By Syrian Government

gerryh

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simply a case ....eh!!
thousand times....eh!!!

So these people just take some kid, torcher, maime and kill him ONLY because they want to control a population???

Now is this clear rational thinking, or what !!


Maybe simple is the wrong choice of words. The fact is, there have been many governments and regimes over the years that have done this or similar and religion had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
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Chinese cultural revolution
Kmer Rouge
numerous petty warlords through out Africa
The Japanese during WWII

To name a few.
 
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I agree with RCS and others regarding motive. This is about those in power doing whatever it takes to hold on to power. These people would torture their own mothers to maintain their grip on power. But Syria is hardly the only country where brutal dictators commit outrageous atrocities with impunity.

Overall its hard to objectively say which middle east country has the worst human rights record. Certainly Syria is near the top, but Egypt and Saudi Arabia are pretty bad too.

Here are some examples:
23 March 2011

Amnesty International has today called on the Egyptian authorities to investigate serious allegations of torture, including forced ‘virginity tests’, inflicted by the army on women protesters arrested in Tahrir Square earlier this month.

After army officers violently cleared the square of protesters on 9 March, at least 18 women were held in military detention. Amnesty International has been told by women protesters that they were beaten, given electric shocks, subjected to strip searches while being photographed by male soldiers, then forced to submit to ‘virginity checks’ and threatened with prostitution charges.
Egyptian women protesters forced to take ?virginity tests? | Amnesty International

...“These shocking videos shed light on the torture and ill-treatment in Saudi prisons,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “The Saudi government must take immediate steps to end these abuses and punish those responsible, whatever their rank.”

Beatings and other forms of ill-treatment in Saudi prisons are far more common than the single incident captured in the video. In November, several prisoners at al-Ha’ir prison told Human Rights Watch that guards regularly beat them as punishment for perceived transgressions. One prisoner told Human Rights Watch: “I got into a fight. The guards came and beat us all. They made us lie down and beat us; they broke sticks on our backs.”

Guards often beat prisoners collectively, regardless of who was responsible for the perceived transgression, prisoners said. “Last month, a prisoner had an argument with a guard,” another prisoner told Human Rights Watch. “The guard brought everyone from the wing outside and beat them.”

Several other prisoners said guards had suspended them above the ground for prolonged periods. “If a prisoner complains about anything he is beaten,” said a third prisoner. “They also hang us by handcuffs with our feet suspended...
Saudi Arabia: New Video Confirms Torture in Prison | Human Rights Watch

I personally wouldn't describe this as normal, but this NY Times Columnist would:

...There are some countries in the region that are not nice, but they are normal — Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia. But there are other governments that are fundamentally depraved....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/03/opinion/03brooks.html

Obviously we aren't getting a complete picture from our news. What we are told about the various dictators depends on whether they are pro or anti West. Pro-West dictators get a free pass to rape, torture and murder, while hostile dictators are described as "fundamentally depraved." If Syria signed a peace treaty with Israel, they would be elevated to the same level of normalcy as Egypt and Saudi Arabia and pictures of this boy's tortured and mangled body would not have been newsworthy.
 
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Unforgiven

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Yeah so what? Their country, their government. What business is it of ours? Our government killed sends Canadians to be tortured in Syria not to punish them, but just because we can't prove our allegations about them to the standards required in our country. Seems to me I remember you supporting that in Arar's case or am I mistaken?

At any rate, it's Syria's problem, they're a sovereign country and can take care of their own problems.

For that matter, why are we bombing Libya again?
 

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Yeah so what? Their country, their government. What business is it of ours? Our government killed sends Canadians to be tortured in Syria not to punish them, but just because we can't prove our allegations about them to the standards required in our country. Seems to me I remember you supporting that in Arar's case or am I mistaken?[

I am afraid you are quite mistaken my friend. I have never supported torture and in Mr. Arar's case I acknowledge that he was screwed over and fully supported compensating him.

At any rate, it's Syria's problem, they're a sovereign country and can take care of their own problems.

Perhaps you can point out where I said we should invade Syria. I believe I said that I hope this hardens the Syrian people to overthrow this scumbag regime.

For that matter, why are we bombing Libya again?

It's a popularity contest really. Or an unpopularity contest. Khadaffi is the least liked scumbag in the region., even by his Arab neighbors. Personally I\d rather be bombing Iran and Syria. But that's just me and I'm just a sentimental fool.
 

Unforgiven

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I am afraid you are quite mistaken my friend. I have never supported torture and in Mr. Arar's case I acknowledge that he was screwed over and fully supported compensating him.

I stand corrected sir.

Perhaps you can point out where I said we should invade Syria. I believe I said that I hope this hardens the Syrian people to overthrow this scumbag regime.

Right here you silly bastard! lol

Personally I\d rather be bombing Iran and Syria.

It's a popularity contest really. Or an unpopularity contest. Khadaffi is the least liked scumbag in the region., even by his Arab neighbors. Personally I\d rather be bombing Iran and Syria. But that's just me and I'm just a sentimental fool.

It's his wispy beard isn't it?
 

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Maybe simple is the wrong choice of words. The fact is, there have been many governments and regimes over the years that have done this or similar and religion had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
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Chinese cultural revolution
Kmer Rouge
numerous petty warlords through out Africa
The Japanese during WWII

To name a few.

That was then, this atrocity happened now, and what are we as a world going to do about it now?
 

Unforgiven

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That was then, this atrocity happened now, and what are we as a world going to do about it now?

We should sanction the country and that's it. We can't dictate how they should live their lives when they do something we disagree with in their own country. Unless it's exported, nose out.
 

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We should sanction the country and that's it. We can't dictate how they should live their lives when they do something we disagree with in their own country. Unless it's exported, nose out.

I agree with the nose out !!
This is mainly a Muslim country and other muslim countries don't care, why should we stick our nose in there!!
 

MHz

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"We should sanction the country and that's it. We can't dictate how they should live their lives when they do something we disagree with in their own country."

Placing sanctions is not part of the 'butting out ' plan, it would be a different plan altogether, one call 'let's butt in and dictate 'stuff' to them'
 

Unforgiven

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I agree with the nose out !!
This is mainly a Muslim country and other muslim countries don't care, why should we stick our nose in there!!

Whats more why should be risk personnel and equipment over it? It's not that the government is new or the country was invaded by evil doers. This is the government they wanted and now they got it. What business is it of ours?

In Canada a young girl was tossed in solitary confinement for a year until she strangled herself while the guards stood there watching her. Who should invade Canada to get rid of our brutal regime?

"We should sanction the country and that's it. We can't dictate how they should live their lives when they do something we disagree with in their own country."

Placing sanctions is not part of the 'butting out ' plan, it would be a different plan altogether, one call 'let's butt in and dictate 'stuff' to them'

Nope it's called let's not trade or send any foreign aid to them if that the way they do business.
Big difference in not supporting a regime and butting in.
 

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And what is so different from this about Lybia??? Besides oil reserves that is.

From my opinion, there is no difference, we should not be involved with Lybia either.
It seems, it's a typical Christian thing, go help the oppressed..

Probably the reason US wants to be a little careful is that Syria is Irans bitch, but who knows!!
 

gerryh

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That was then, this atrocity happened now, and what are we as a world going to do about it now?


You don't bother reading the entire context of the reply, do you? Or is it that you have a problem comprehending?


Our illustrious history expert was stating that the horrific torture of this boy happened BECAUSE the Syrian country is Muslim. That these atrocities are directly related to religion. I was just pointing out the error of his thinking and pointing out areas in his knowledge that he seemed to be lacking in.