War to institute 'Police State' has started!

[EagleSmack]

Whereas Socialist Revolutionaries (which you prescribe to) have always offered SO MANY FREEDOMS.

 

[CDNBear]

There was a quote from a little documentary on you tube, a woman in england said "I am willing to give up my liberties for freedom". How stupid is that statement? How stupid is that theory? Our liberty is our freedom and I am not willing to give up any of it. I am not willing to show my 'papers' at checkpoints, I am not willing to submit to warrantless searches, I am not willing to get implanted with a chip.

But you are willing to limit someones right to freedom of expression.



I need that sliding scale you use to evaluate freedoms, lol.

 

[EagleSmack]

But you are willing to limit someones right to freedom of expression.



I need that sliding scale you use to evaluate freedoms, lol.

Exactly. He claimed in this forum that he prescribes to Socialist Revolutionary ideals.

We all know what freedoms they offer. To serve the state as the state prescribes.

 

[PoliticalNick]

YouTube - ‪Final Nail in the Coffin: Ron Paul‬‏

 

[CDNBear]

...

Funny that you should take such a stand on the abuse of liberties, when you have been quite clear and and quite vehement about limiting the freedom of expression to meet your narrow version.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Utah joins the fight against federal police state.

Utah To Follow Texas Lead In TSA Grope-down Revolt Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loc...ce-90fb-02416aaa8a37.html?oCampaign=hottopics

 

[In Between Man]

Nah, you're giving it away. If you are going to agree with your loss of freedom and justify it you are giving it up on your own.

Perhaps "loss of freedom" isn't exactly accurate. The most important values like freedom of speech, expression etc are still intact. Seemingly what we really lost after 9/11 was piece of mind and now we suffer inconveniences, like more scrutiny at the airport, only because we previously were too naive to believe that such an attack could happen over here.

I find some humor in how people like yourself keep saying the Muslims want to destroy our freedom

But RADICAL Muslims DO want to destroy freedom, and that's a different argument from whether or not they actually HAVE taken away some of our freedom. Like I said, perhaps we haven't lost any freedom but rather have more inconveniences today.

For example, to claim that the government is taking away freedom by forcing the state of Texas to accept crotch grabbing at airports, is that a loss of freedom, or is it just a rigorous security method that is a major inconvenience?

If it's a loss of freedom because it's a violation of the unreasonable search and seizure statute, wouldn't that argument fall flat since it would be reasonable to search where a bomb could be hidden - like in a crotch?

concentrate on the moderates to empower them to take control from within and then we might see progress.

I love the idea but unfortunately at the current moment the moderate Muslims aren't condemning radical Islam and its followers!

 

[PoliticalNick]

If it's a loss of freedom because it's a violation of the unreasonable search and seizure statute, wouldn't that argument fall flat since it would be reasonable to search where a bomb could be hidden - like in a crotch?

If you read the 4th amendment you will see what they mean by unreasonable is not how you interpret it.

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Pay attention to the fact that unreasonable is 'warrantless' and there must be specifics stated in an oath. Now there is a precedent for frisking but that is also very limited and requires there to be merit.

Stop and frisk
Under Terry v. Ohio 392 U.S. 1 (1968), law enforcement officers are permitted to conduct a limited warrantless search on a level of suspicion less than probable cause under certain circumstances. In Terry, the Supreme Court ruled that when a police officer witnesses "unusual conduct" that leads that officer to reasonably believe "that criminal activity may be afoot", that the suspicious person has a weapon and that the person is presently dangerous to the officer or others, the officer may conduct a "pat-down search" (or "frisk") to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon. To conduct a frisk, officers must be able to point to specific and articulatory facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant their actions. A vague hunch will not do. Such a search must be temporary and questioning must be limited to the purpose of the stop (e.g., officers who stop a person because they have reasonable suspicion to believe that the person was driving a stolen car, cannot, after confirming that it is not stolen, compel the person to answer questions about anything else, such as the possession of contraband).[21]

As you see their powers are very limited.


Also there has always been specific places they are not allowed to search in public including 'private areas' of the body which is why when a cop pats you down on the roadside he will not grab your crotch.

I love the idea but unfortunately at the current moment the moderate Muslims aren't condemning radical Islam and its followers!

You're right, they are becoming more radicalized because of the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and Lybia, continued support and involvement with Israel. It is our actions that are causing this. If we were to pull out completely like Ron Paul wants we would quickly find the moderates on our side. IMHO

 

[Goober]

Hundreds rally at Texas state capitol building to protest TSA threat to blockade Texas airports

It would seem the war to impose the federal police state in America has begun. After a unanimous 138-0 vote in the Texas legislature to ban TSA searches that border upon sexual abuse the federal govt has stepped in with heavy handed threats against the state. It is using financial terrorism and blockade tactics to impose TSA screening that includes touching 'private areas' of a person's body against the will of the people of Texas and their elected state representatives.

You should learn the difference between National and State laws / jurisdictions.Also how things and where they are hidden.

Lastly - Police sate - give me a break - Just an inflammatory thread. No more no less than that.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Oh yeah, no police state starting or going to happen ever.

YouTube - ‪Police Brutality: Adam Kokesh gets slammed to ground at the Jefferson Memorial‬‏

Hugging you girl in public is a sure way to get arrested with violence apparently.

YouTube - ‪!!HUGGING OR DANCING IS NOW A CRIME!! Video proof happening in DC now!‬‏

 

[petros]

Get cops off of steroids and they'll snap out of it and won't participate.

Do you know why the jock types become cops? No math.

Ain't it grand that we have roidheads who don't understand the main language of the human race who are enforcing the laws of the country?

Oh yeah, no police state starting or going to happen ever.

YouTube - ‪Police Brutality: Adam Kokesh gets slammed to ground at the Jefferson Memorial‬‏

Hugging you girl in public is a sure way to get arrested with violence apparently.

YouTube - ‪!!HUGGING OR DANCING IS NOW A CRIME!! Video proof happening in DC now!‬‏

I would have decked the prick and taken my chances with an assault charge. It wouldn't be the first cop I've knocked cold.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I believe defending yourself against a false arrest is a good defense but who knows what the pawns called judges will do nowadays.

 

[petros]

I believe defending yourself against a false arrest is a good defense but who knows what the pawns called judges will do nowadays.

The one that I clocked was dragging a young girl by the hair and didn't bother to idenify himself as a "plain clothes". He told me to **** off and mind my own business. As a real man defending women who are being dragged by the hair is my business and that is what I told the Crown. They held me on remand for a week before even talking to the Crown strcitly because they knew I'd walk away.

Even if he was wearing a uniform I would have done the same.

 

[PoliticalNick]

The one that I clocked was dragging a young girl by the hair and didn't bother to idenify himself as a "plain clothes". He told me to **** off and mind my own business. As a real man defending women who are being dragged by the hair is my business and that is what I told the Crown. They held me on remand for a week before even talking to the Crown strcitly because they knew I'd walk away.

Even if he was wearing a uniform I would have done the same.

I 'escorted' a plain clothes guy off my property with my hand on his throat because he failed to identify himself. Then I wouldn't let him back through the gate until he called in a supervisor who then apologized to me. Never even got charged.

 

[gopher]

You mean the use of the military draft wasn't a Federal takeover of individual rights? The FBI's use of COINTELPRO wasn't tyranny at its worst??

Where was the right wing's protest over those things?

 

[petros]

You mean the use of the military draft wasn't a Federal takeover of individual rights? The FBI's use of COINTELPRO wasn't tyranny at its worst??

Where was the right wing's protest over those things?

Oh pish posh assasinating Black Panthers is good thing.

 

[gopher]

Oh pish posh assasinating Black Panthers is good thing.

So why did the government allow the KKK to commit its crimes unimpeded? Why do you suppose it has stood by as the Tea Baggers make threats??

And by the way, weren't the Panthers entitled to a fair trial under the Constitution?

 

[damngrumpy]

Too many think its a conspiracy to control people, I don't think so. My belief is that the current
situation is that they don't have the measures needed to defend the system against some of
these monsters. The more serious situation is that they are responding not to the public's fear,
but their own fears. I think they have a lot airport security people in nice uniforms, and that is
it. They don't have the experience to do their jobs, and some are not even American Citizens.
The last fact was part of a 20/20 news piece a couple of years ago and nothing has changed
since then.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Here's a solution.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Here's a solution.

With my fat hairy ass I would probably get the plane to myself. :lol: