Let's blame the Jews

Colpy

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Glad you have admitted it. We can now discount your rantings as so much useless hot air.

So, you're not a bigot.

Satanists, neo-Nazis, serial killers, child molesters.....they are all the same to you.

The only prejudice that bothers you is prejudice itself, no matter what that prejudice is against.

Well, we can now discount your rantings as so much useless hot air, as you obviously either can not, or will not differentiate between what is good, and what is not..
 

Cliffy

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What I find interesting, is that those who accuse Muslims of being stuck in the 1400s would be the ones who would bomb them back into the stone age for trying to develop 20th century technology (ie: nuclear power). Even though Iran is a fundamentalist country, they are fairly modern technologically and for some reason, the west finds that threatening so they invent the nuclear armament scare to try to prevent them from joining the 21st century. There is something seriously twisted in the thinking of the right wing.
 

gerryh

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So, you're not a bigot.

Satanists, neo-Nazis, serial killers, child molesters.....they are all the same to you.

The only prejudice that bothers you is prejudice itself, no matter what that prejudice is against.

Well, we can now discount your rantings as so much useless hot air, as you obviously either can not, or will not differentiate between what is good, and what is not..


The essence of your bigotry goes well beyond "what is good, and what is not" as you lump over 1.2 billion people all into the "not good" camp.
 

Colpy

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The essence of your bigotry goes well beyond "what is good, and what is not" as you lump over 1.2 billion people all into the "not good" camp.

Not at all. My problem is with ISLAM, not Muslims as such. There are many decent Muslims in the world. They are NOT strict followers of Islam.

One of the people I work with is a Muslim, her family was caught up in the civil war in Algeria between gov't forces and Islamists. She calls her co-religionists 'Those F87King barbarians'

I suppose she is a bigot too. That may be why I like her.

There were some skilled, and at least one very good Muslim listed in CuBert's list below.

And......

Saturday Interview: Tarek Fatah rails against the corruption and dangers he sees in Islam | Holy Post | National Post

I guess he is a bigot too..........

What I find interesting, is that those who accuse Muslims of being stuck in the 1400s would be the ones who would bomb them back into the stone age for trying to develop 20th century technology (ie: nuclear power). Even though Iran is a fundamentalist country, they are fairly modern technologically and for some reason, the west finds that threatening so they invent the nuclear armament scare to try to prevent them from joining the 21st century. There is something seriously twisted in the thinking of the right wing.

Oh give it a break Cliffy!

Iran is in the top FIVE human rights abusers on earth.

The President of Iran is certifiable, stole the last election, then murdered hundreds if not thousands of Iranians that dared speak out against him, and is kept in power by a bunch of religious flakes that are all eagerly awaiting the arrival of the 12th Imam so they can murder all the Jews just before Judgement Day!

They even keep some Jews around, not allowing them to emigrate out, so they won't miss out on all the fun come the day.

And you think it is fine if they get nuclear weapons.

Uh-huh.

then they get to kill Jews by the MILLIONS!!!!!

Geezus man, THINK!
 

Cliffy

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Oh give it a break Cliffy!

Iran is in the top FIVE human rights abusers on earth.

The President of Iran is certifiable, stole the last election, then murdered hundreds if not thousands of Iranians that dared speak out against him, and is kept in power by a bunch of religious flakes that are all eagerly awaiting the arrival of the 12th Imam so they can murder all the Jews just before Judgement Day!

They even keep some Jews around, not allowing them to emigrate out, so they won't miss out on all the fun come the day.

And you think it is fine if they get nuclear weapons.

Uh-huh.

then they get to kill Jews by the MILLIONS!!!!!

Geezus man, THINK!
I think... for myself. Jews have nuclear weapons. They haven't used them because they are a very good deterrent. There is still no proof that Iran is doing anything but developing power stations. Everything you said is just fear and hate mongering since there is no proof and only propaganda. Judging by the what the media has been saying for years, I think they are just setting us up to accept the inevitable, ala Saddam. Saddam was no threat and I doubt Imanutjob is either. You want to swallow that crap, that is your problem.
 

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I think... for myself. Jews have nuclear weapons. They haven't used them because they are a very good deterrent. There is still no proof that Iran is doing anything but developing power stations. Everything you said is just fear and hate mongering since there is no proof and only propaganda. Judging by the what the media has been saying for years, I think they are just setting us up to accept the inevitable, ala Saddam. Saddam was no threat and I doubt Imanutjob is either. You want to swallow that crap, that is your problem.


Israel hasn't pledged their efforts to annihilate another race, have they?
 

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Even though Iran is a fundamentalist country, they are fairly modern technologically and for some reason, the west finds that threatening so they invent the nuclear armament scare to try to prevent them from joining the 21st century.

For some reason, lol. What could it be. Hmmmm.
 

ironsides

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Since the end of the Iran-Iraq War, Tehran redoubled its efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and ballistic missiles. In addition to Iran's legitimate efforts to develop its nuclear power-generation industry, it is believed to be operating a parallel clandestine nuclear weapons program. Iran appears to be following a policy of complying with the NPT and building its nuclear power program in such a way that if the appropriate political decision is made, know-how gained in the peaceful sphere (specialists and equipment) could be used to create nuclear weapons (dual-use technologies have been sold to Iran by at least nine western companies during the early 1990's). Also, in this atmosphere of deception, unconfirmed reports have been made that Tehran purchased several nuclear warheads in the early 1990's.

If Iran did acquire atomic bombs, it would put pressure on other countries in the region do the same. Many Arab countries believe it is unfair that Israel has nuclear weapons. If Arab countries, notably Saudi Arabia but also Egypt and possibly Syria, found themselves caught between a nuclear-armed Israel and a nuclear-armed Iran, it would greatly increase pressures to pursue their own nuclear options. This could result in a regional arms race in the Middle East which is likely to be quite destabilizing, given the number and intensity of conflicts and instabilities in the region.
Nuclear Weapons - Iran


Bottom line, if Iran had nuclear weapons now, we would know about it. (but then again maybe not)
 

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Since the end of the Iran-Iraq War, Tehran redoubled its efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and ballistic missiles. In addition to Iran's legitimate efforts to develop its nuclear power-generation industry, it is believed to be operating a parallel clandestine nuclear weapons program. Iran appears to be following a policy of complying with the NPT and building its nuclear power program in such a way that if the appropriate political decision is made, know-how gained in the peaceful sphere (specialists and equipment) could be used to create nuclear weapons (dual-use technologies have been sold to Iran by at least nine western companies during the early 1990's). Also, in this atmosphere of deception, unconfirmed reports have been made that Tehran purchased several nuclear warheads in the early 1990's.

If Iran did acquire atomic bombs, it would put pressure on other countries in the region do the same. Many Arab countries believe it is unfair that Israel has nuclear weapons. If Arab countries, notably Saudi Arabia but also Egypt and possibly Syria, found themselves caught between a nuclear-armed Israel and a nuclear-armed Iran, it would greatly increase pressures to pursue their own nuclear options. This could result in a regional arms race in the Middle East which is likely to be quite destabilizing, given the number and intensity of conflicts and instabilities in the region.
Nuclear Weapons - Iran


Bottom line, if Iran had nuclear weapons now, we would know about it. (but then again maybe not)
Bottom line is that it is all speculation. But with the west and the US in particular, being so agressive in their foreign policy, it is quite understandable why Iran might want nukes to protect itself against attacks. If the US wasn't so agressive in its propaganada war against Iran, they might not feel so threatened as to want such a deterrent. It is quite simple, really. Stop all these attacks on their sovereignty and perhaps they might play nice too. As for the threat of annihilating Israel, we only have western interpretation of what was said and I have heard enough evidence to have reasonable doubt of its accuracy. I don't just look at what is written or said at any given time, but over fifty years have watched the patterns of behaviour when it comes to western propaganda, And what I observe is that most of it is not only fear mongering and demonizing BS but is gearing up for the eventual attack on Iran.
 

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There is still no proof that Iran is doing anything but developing power stations.

Bottom line is that it is all speculation. But with the west and the US in particular, being so agressive in their foreign policy, it is quite understandable why Iran might want nukes to protect itself against attacks. If the US wasn't so agressive in its propaganada war against Iran, they might not feel so threatened as to want such a deterrent.

Classic apologist behaviour here. Basically what you're saying here is that "there's no proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and even if they were it's our fault anyway." Anything to make Iran look good and the West look bad.
 

CDNBear

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No hate speech laws are very much necessary in order to prevent racist clowns like Geert Wilders from abusing free speech and using it to make disparaging remarks against entire ethnic groups which incites hatred and violence.

Actually, hate speech laws are more about stopping this kind of blind ignorance, hated and stupidity...

Lynch all the capitalist pigs in this video (which include the entire audience after enthusiastically cheering after "**** the poor")
Now that is a classic example of hate speech.

 

ironsides

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Bottom line is that it is all speculation. But with the west and the US in particular, being so agressive in their foreign policy, it is quite understandable why Iran might want nukes to protect itself against attacks. If the US wasn't so agressive in its propaganada war against Iran, they might not feel so threatened as to want such a deterrent. It is quite simple, really. Stop all these attacks on their sovereignty and perhaps they might play nice too. As for the threat of annihilating Israel, we only have western interpretation of what was said and I have heard enough evidence to have reasonable doubt of its accuracy. I don't just look at what is written or said at any given time, but over fifty years have watched the patterns of behaviour when it comes to western propaganda, And what I observe is that most of it is not only fear mongering and demonizing BS but is gearing up for the eventual attack on Iran.

But just by the way you wrote your reply, it is obvious that you are predisposed to make sure that western propaganda is this mythical bad guy causing all the problems. Iran since the Shah has gone to a secular state, is not a democracy by any stretch of the imagination. As for feeling threatened, they have every right to be since they like Israel who they hate, they also have to worry about what their neighbors just might do to them. I'll admit it, I do not trust any secular state with one exception and Iran is right at the top of my list.
 

gerryh

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But just by the way you wrote your reply, it is obvious that you are predisposed to make sure that western propaganda is this mythical bad guy causing all the problems. Iran since the Shah has gone to a secular state, is not a democracy by any stretch of the imagination. As for feeling threatened, they have every right to be since they like Israel who they hate, they also have to worry about what their neighbors just might do to them. I'll admit it, I do not trust any secular state with one exception and Iran is right at the top of my list.


I'm going to attempt to make this perfectly clear. I think Iran, under it's present leadership to be a potential danger to it's local neighbours. Having said that, it would be nice to see the people of the "west" admit and take responsibility for their governments roll in make the ME what it is today. The existing state of Iran IS a direct result and backlash from the reign of the Shah. Someone that is recognized as being a puppet of and installed by the "west". This can be said of more than one country in the ME.

While this may not be an excuse, or excuse, the "anti-social behavior" of these countries. It should be, and needs to be recognized and acknowledged as being one of the reasons for that behavior.
 

petros

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Classic apologist behaviour here. Basically what you're saying here is that "there's no proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and even if they were it's our fault anyway." Anything to make Iran look good and the West look bad.
If Pakistan were my neighbour I'd want more than nukes.
 

Cliffy

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But just by the way you wrote your reply, it is obvious that you are predisposed to make sure that western propaganda is this mythical bad guy causing all the problems. Iran since the Shah has gone to a secular state, is not a democracy by any stretch of the imagination. As for feeling threatened, they have every right to be since they like Israel who they hate, they also have to worry about what their neighbors just might do to them. I'll admit it, I do not trust any secular state with one exception and Iran is right at the top of my list.
The Shah was a brutal dictator put in place and supported by the US. When the people kicked his sorry ass out of the country, the pendulum swung the other way. People saw the Shah as a western puppet and and in a fit of zealous outrage rejected western culture and installed religious fanatics to replace the dictator. The swing was so radical that they ended up in almost the same predicament. The only reason the US has a hard on for Iran is they lost control of the oil.

When it comes to secular states being scary, the US tops my list.
 

gerryh

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The Shaw was a brutal dictator put in place and supported by the US. When the people kicked his sorry ass out of the country, the pendulum swung the other way. People saw the Shaw as a western puppet and and in a fit of zealous outrage rejected western culture and installed religious fanatics to replace the dictator. The swing was so radical that they ended up in almost the same predicament. The only reason the US has a hard on for Iran is they lost control of the oil.

It's Shah, not Shaw.

When it comes to secular states being scary, the US tops my list.


Don't get out much, do ya.