Saskatchewan teachers to walkout Thursday

[JLM]

So you weren't paid poorly?

Did you get benefits? Pension? Mobilty?

Open Shop? Closed Shop?

Actually less benefits than when I was non union...... we were closed shop.

Some did benefit like those with poor health and those who didn't plan their life too well.

 

[petros]

Sounds good..................as long as they don't molest kids. :smile:

Cool. You just agreed to a union.

 

[JLM]

Cool. You just agreed to a union.

Ya think? I'm off for the daily walk, it will give me a chance to contemplate the matter further. Be prepared for more ammo! :lol:

 

[petros]

BBs don't hurt.

 

[taxslave]

Everyone outside of a union works twice as hard and does twice the job for half the pay?

My experience with none union is that you make better money with often times better fringe benefits. Not necessarily the kind of bennys that a union gets but tangible benefits like use of company equipment on week ends, use of shop facilities and supplies etc.
I always paid my operators better than union wage and we had a decent health package as well. But I had the freedom to not have freeloaders on the payroll and there were no real job descriptions, people did what had to be done. Never hire anyone that can't multi task.

 

[petros]

My experience with none union is that you make better money with often times better fringe benefits. Not necessarily the kind of bennys that a union gets but tangible benefits like use of company equipment on week ends, use of shop facilities and supplies etc.

That's all up to the employer not the union.

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

Ya think? I'm off for the daily walk, it will give me a chance to contemplate the matter further. Be prepared for more ammo! :lol:

Check out the address of the ON teachers Federation (Union)

Ignatius Jesuit Centre Orchard Park
5420 Hwy 6 N N, RR 5, Suite B2
Guelph, ON N1H 6J2


Too flippin' funny.

Should everything possible be done to keep children away from pedagogists?

 

[cranky]

cranky, with all due respect to Jack London, who should have stuck with writing about half-breed dog/wolf cross animals, he forgot about the life form that is much, much, much lower than the person he called a SCAB.

According to you and Jack London, the honest person, the breadwinner, who wants to provide for his family is a SCAB. You and Jack London call the person who has the nerve to believe that he has a RIGHT to work and look after his family, a SCAB. You and Jack London call the person who stands up to the selfish unionist a SCAB.

And who is a unionist? THE real lowest form of a miserable life. A person who has absolutely no clue about his own worth and demands champagne and caviar wages for beer and peanuts work. The person who in his delusion thinks that being a flesh and blood, but brainless automoton on an assembly line deserves and is worth what no person with logical brain would ever thinks he deserves. A unionist is a person, who is basically gutless and brainless to speak and act for himself and needs the mob behind him with the threats and acts of violence against everyone that disagrees with him. A unionist would rather see his job going to China or India than realize that he is not worth anywhere near as much as he thinks he is.

And the saddest thing is that the cancer of unionism affected and contaminated people who are dedicated to their craft and consider it more than just a JOB, indeed a profession and a calling.
I am willing to bet that a teacher that feels that teaching is his CALLING, that teaching the next generation, would be selfless and honest enough not to have no part of a union. Just let them have SECRET vote, truly an anathema to unionist bullies.

Unfortunately, two months of vacation is tempting enough to say, screw it all. And then go and teach the kids to do and say the same.

Personally, I worked through several strikes in my 37+ years of employment, so feel free and call me a SCAB.

I always negotiated my own pay. When I left the company through retirement I knew that I can always come back and shake the hands of the employees who are still there and knew about me.

Yukon, when you say you worked through strikes, were you staff at the mines doing fire watch and such?
If so, i dont consider you a scab, you were Just doing your job as part of the mngmnt team.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Would you address Prime Minister Harper: Hey, Steve!? Or SH?

Yes I would, and probably a whole lot of much more disrespectful things too!

Would you address Queen Elizabeth: Hey, Liz!? Or QE2?

Once again yes, she is just another human being to me.

 

[JLM]

Yes I would, and probably a whole lot of much more disrespectful things too!


Once again yes, she is just another human being to me.

What is the sense of deliberately pissing people off for no practical gain? especially if they are not hurting you? :smile:

 

[PoliticalNick]

What is the sense of deliberately pissing people off for no practical gain? especially if they are not hurting you? :smile:

Well if Stevo is going to get pissed when I question his motives and intelligence that is his problem. Not much of a politician if he's going to get mad and being called a self-centered, egotistical, moron that acts as a pawn for corporations and globalists and couldn't come up with his own ideas if he had 20 years to do it.

 

[JLM]

Well if Stevo is going to get pissed when I question his motives and intelligence that is his problem. Not much of a politician if he's going to get mad and being called a self-centered, egotistical, moron that acts as a pawn for corporations and globalists and couldn't come up with his own ideas if he had 20 years to do it.

You may be under rating the man Nick. He is not one of my favourite politicians, but I'm also ready to admit that if I were privy to all the information he is privy to I may make some of the same decisions. Remaining a politician just might depend on being a "pawn" as you label it. Walk a mile in his shoes before bad mouthing him! :smile:

 

[PoliticalNick]

You may be under rating the man Nick. He is not one of my favourite politicians, but I'm also ready to admit that if I were privy to all the information he is privy to I may make some of the same decisions. Remaining a politician just might depend on being a "pawn" as you label it. Walk a mile in his shoes before bad mouthing him! :smile:

Since I would never ***** myself out to corporations or special interests I could never walk in his shoes and probably never be a politician. ;-)

 

[Bar Sinister]

I would rate that one out of 5 of my teachers where great. From personal experience.
Do they even bother to ask the kids if they think schools any good.
I bet not. I also think they would be told school sucks donkey dick, and that cause it dose

20% of teachers I had where great teachers.
60% average.
20% bad.
What was the worst of all is our system Its a huge institution.

you go sit day in and day out as a student in schools and you tell me how interesting it is?
Its like sending our kids to prison.

Canadian schools suck big time. its a crime just sending our kids to this crap.

You are very good at criticizing the educational system, but it is clear that you do not understand the educational process. Try taking 30 children with diverse personalities and learning styles and with IQs that may range from 80 to 130, put them all in the same classroom, and then devise a plan for teaching all of them. The fact is that it is pretty much impossible to deal with all of them unless you are willing to pay for a drastic reduction in class sizes. Since those in charge of the educational system have decided that 30 to 50 students to a classroom is appropriate I doubt that is going to happen.

As a teacher for 37 years I have a good deal more knowledge of what actually goes on in a school and the challenges of teaching and dealing with a diverse student population than you do, however I am willing to listen to any solutions you have to the problems you have outlined. But good luck on that one - teachers have been trying to deal with the challenges of imparting knowledge to children for centuries without coming up with any solutions that work for all students all of the time.

 

[karrie]

That's not saying much about your kids is it. If you sat in with mine you might find some interesting discussion and learning.

Unlike you I won't take a low sleazy shot at little kids. Enjoy your day.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Unlike you I won't take a low sleazy shot at little kids. Enjoy your day.

Your the one who said it.

 

[karrie]

That my kids' classes are haywire? yeah, I said that. Did I say anything about my kids? Nope, you don't know them, don't try to pretend you do.

Like I said, I won't resort to your slimy tactics. I'm here for actual discussion and debate. If you ever care to address the meat of my post, instead of just try to insult children, let me know.

 

[PoliticalNick]

People like to whine and bitch about the teachers but I'd challenge any of you to sit in my kids' classes and not go completely insane. If we want quality teachers, it starts with quality pay.

That my kids' classes are haywire? yeah, I said that. Did I say anything about my kids? Nope, you don't know them, don't try to pretend you do.

I didn't say I knew you or your children did I? I read your post and read that sitting in your kids classes would make someone insane. That came across like you were referring to your kids to me. Upon rereading I can see it may have a different interpretation available and I may have misunderstood. If there is a problem with other children in their classes and it is affecting the teaching environment that much I personally would make complaints and try to get some changes.

Like I said, I won't resort to your slimy tactics. I'm here for actual discussion and debate. If you ever care to address the meat of my post, instead of just try to insult children, let me know.

Fine, I don't blame the unruly children that make make those classes a quick path to an asylum, I blame the parents who cannot teach their children how to behave. I have issues with parents who use the school as a babysitter and are ok with our supposed teachers being nothing more than glorified babysitters. I have a problem with people who excuse teachers for not teaching properly and not providing a quality education.

 

[karrie]

I didn't say I knew you or your children did I? I read your post and read that sitting in your kids classes would make someone insane. That came across like you were referring to your kids to me. Upon rereading I can see it may have a different interpretation available and I may have misunderstood. If there is a problem with other children in their classes and it is affecting the teaching environment that much I personally would make complaints and try to get some changes.


Fine, I don't blame the unruly children that make make those classes a quick path to an asylum, I blame the parents who cannot teach their children how to behave. I have issues with parents who use the school as a babysitter and are ok with our supposed teachers being nothing more than glorified babysitters. I have a problem with people who excuse teachers for not teaching properly and not providing a quality education.

I never said that there is anything wrong with their education, or that they aren't learning. The ability of a teacher to make that happen given the chaos they have in their class is something we pay for, and get. I have no control over the other 7 parents/child combinations that effect the other seats in my kids' class. I'm thankful every day I send them to school that someone well qualified and well paid is able to make more sense out of it than I ever would be able to. And I think they deserve to be paid for that, but most importantly, I think they deserve to be allowed to negotiate their pay for that.

 

[Angstrom]

You are very good at criticizing the educational system, but it is clear that you do not understand the educational process. Try taking 30 children with diverse personalities and learning styles and with IQs that may range from 80 to 130, put them all in the same classroom, and then devise a plan for teaching all of them. The fact is that it is pretty much impossible to deal with all of them unless you are willing to pay for a drastic reduction in class sizes. Since those in charge of the educational system have decided that 30 to 50 students to a classroom is appropriate I doubt that is going to happen.

As a teacher for 37 years I have a good deal more knowledge of what actually goes on in a school and the challenges of teaching and dealing with a diverse student population than you do, however I am willing to listen to any solutions you have to the problems you have outlined. But good luck on that one - teachers have been trying to deal with the challenges of imparting knowledge to children for centuries without coming up with any solutions that work for all students all of the time.

I think anyone forced to go to school for 18 years of there life or more (All kids in Canada)
Know just as well as you do what the problem with our education system are.

first off, You need to understand how diffrent the the kids are to you to understand them. here is the diffrence between you and them.
Larry Lessig on laws that choke creativity | Video on TED.com
Just understanding how different your students are to you will make all teachers much better in understanding what drives them to be motivated to do things and in consequence learn from doing.


Here is a ton of good talks on the subject on how to change schools from people that are much smarter and wiser then both of us.
Ken Robinson says schools kill creativity | Video on TED.com
Sir Ken Robinson: Bring on the learning revolution! | Video on TED.com
Kiran Bir Sethi teaches kids to take charge | Video on TED.com
Patricia Ryan: Don't insist on English! | Video on TED.com
Temple Grandin: The world needs all kinds of minds | Video on TED.com
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
Sugata Mitra: The child-driven education | Video on TED.com
Ali Carr-Chellman: Gaming to re-engage boys in learning | Video on TED.com
http://www.ted.com/talks/mae_jemison_on_teaching_arts_and_sciences_together.html

you guys have a system that only 25% of the total child population can be happy living in, and rewarding that small minority of kids that can sit down and shut the **** up for 18 years of there lives with the ability to access Higher paying jobs after going to universisty?. and now 75% of the of the population thats left out is saying sckool sucks but they don't know what there talking about? Ignoring the elephant in the room a bit no?


Here is how our law system screws up our chance at good sckools in the first place.
Philip K. Howard: Four ways to fix a broken legal system | Video on TED.com


Education and many of our goverment institutes need total overhaul not a little update or more money.
Its all broken.

Have you ever considered that our institute of education is ruining as many lives as its creating successful ones

 

[cranky]

In other workforces, there are too many walking dead.

With teachers, it is important to have a workforce that is engaged in their day to day activities. Pay them a fair wage, and when in doubt, pay them a better than fair wage. But then demand the highest standards from them.,

In Canada, we do a pretty a good job at taking care of our teachers. Regardless of the outcome of this dispute.

/2centworth