Osama bin Laden is dead.

PoliticalNick

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Again, not gonna happen.
Sure, you keep believing that right up to when there are permanent US bases there and US troops dying there. Face it, the US has a long history of trying to impose its will and its lifestyle on other sovereign nations and it ain't gonna stop now. Maybe if it hadn't started doing it in the first place you would still have 2 shiny buildings in Manhattan. Until you get a grip of that reality you will always be a target for terrorists.
 

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the legality of the raid on osama's compound is now in question, the pakistani's had no prior notice...


 

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Sure, you keep believing that right up to when there are permanent US bases there and US troops dying there. Face it, the US has a long history of trying to impose its will and its lifestyle on other sovereign nations and it ain't gonna stop now. Maybe if it hadn't started doing it in the first place you would still have 2 shiny buildings in Manhattan. Until you get a grip of that reality you will always be a target for terrorists.

Sure, I will keep believing that something very, very unlikely (the U.S. is going to set up permanent U.S. bases in Pakistan) is not going to happen, despite whatever history the U.S. has.

Not to be too snarky with you, PoliticalNick. But like I said before, concerns about the growing U.S. police state and military intervention have been proven wrong many times before too.
 

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Sure, I will keep believing that something very, very unlikely (the U.S. is going to set up permanent U.S. bases in Pakistan) is not going to happen, despite whatever history the U.S. has.

Since you recognize your long history of international interference and coersion you obviously recognize why all this happened to begin with.

I have also seen a couple of posts now refering to how the Taliban were asked to turn him over. Well let's make sure we understand what the truth of that was.

1. The Taliban, no matter what you may think of them, were the legitimate and recognized government of a sovereign nation.
2. They agreed to assist in finding him and turn him over if
3. The US could show some real evidence of his involvement in 9/11.

They only wanted to see documents showing he A) funded the operation, B) communicated with the supposed hijackers or C) had any known contact with the supposed hijackers.

Instead of showing any of this to the Taliban or even the general public G W Bush announced that they had lots of evidence and then proceeded to invade the country. To this day there has been no evidence as noted above or even intelligence reports delivered to anyone or shown to the public to confirm OBL was involved. The only thing that actually supports this theory is the word of Bush and his staff and I don't believe what he tells me if his tongue was notarized.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there was no connection possible, I am saying there has been no hard evidence produced to back up the claim.
 

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I heard quite a few echoing the President's statement...

Justice has been served.

That might be the wild west form of justice, but this is not the wild west. The hypocritical Yankees are just as low as the target. I wouldn't be proud if I was you...
 

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Not to be too snarky with you, PoliticalNick. But like I said before, concerns about the growing U.S. police state and military intervention have been proven wrong many times before too.

Don't take it as snarky, you have your opinion and I have mine and we are both expressing them.
 

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Anybody with a lick of sense knows why the Pakistanis had no prior notice.

If Pakistan wants to get into a pizzing contest about the legality of various moves, I'm sure there are others willing to play along.



Sounds a lot like some of your posts on here.



 

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I have also seen a couple of posts now refering to how the Taliban were asked to turn him over. Well let's make sure we understand what the truth of that was.

1. The Taliban, no matter what you may think of them, were the legitimate and recognized government of a sovereign nation.
2. They agreed to assist in finding him and turn him over if
3. The US could show some real evidence of his involvement in 9/11.

They only wanted to see documents showing he A) funded the operation, B) communicated with the supposed hijackers or C) had any known contact with the supposed hijackers.

Instead of showing any of this to the Taliban or even the general public G W Bush announced that they had lots of evidence and then proceeded to invade the country.

I don't believe that is how it happened. As this September 19, 2001, New York Times article points out, the Taliban added more demands in exchange for a hand over of bin Laden, including "diplomatic recognition, a cutoff of all support for the Taliban's opponents and a resumption of economic aid."

A NATION CHALLENGED: THE MULLAHS; Adding Demands, Afghan Leaders Show Little Willingness to Give Up bin Laden - The New York Times
 

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Hey Colpy, years ago a Saudi man asked a news reporter why the US slaughterd all the muslims in Kosovo. She was shocked and said the US was fighting to protect muslims in Kosovo. His response...

"That is not what they teach us here."



Good. That does not bother me in the slightest.



Yeah that is pretty much it. You're so bright.

Good grief.

Speaking of Kosovo, wonder how the world is going to handle this problem? Again.

Dodik has said repeatedly that the Serbs would rather drop the idea of Bosnia joining the EU if it requires them to transfer more power from their regional government to federal institutions. The referendum has led to a surge in his popularity.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110505/ap_on_re_eu/eu_bosnia_ultimatum

 

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That might be the wild west form of justice, but this is not the wild west. The hypocritical Yankees are just as low as the target. I wouldn't be proud if I was you...

I am SO proud and SO happy.


Sorry for your loss...

Sure, you keep believing that right up to when there are permanent US bases there and US troops dying there. Face it, the US has a long history of trying to impose its will and its lifestyle on other sovereign nations and it ain't gonna stop now. Maybe if it hadn't started doing it in the first place you would still have 2 shiny buildings in Manhattan. Until you get a grip of that reality you will always be a target for terrorists.

So now are you justifying an attack on Canada since Canada in leading the attack on Libya?

Is Libya not a sovreign nation?

Just asking.
 

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I am SO proud and SO happy.


Sorry for your loss...



So now are you justifying an attack on Canada since Canada in leading the attack on Libya?

Is Libya not a sovreign nation?

Just asking.

I would not be surprised at all if Canada has now become a target thanks to our involvement in Lybia. I really have to thank the UN, Nato and our own political leaders for making my life and security less safe.

I am glad to see you are proud and happy about the american way becoming just as low and bad as those you used to oppose.
 

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Since you recognize your long history of international interference and coersion you obviously recognize why all this happened to begin with.

I have also seen a couple of posts now refering to how the Taliban were asked to turn him over. Well let's make sure we understand what the truth of that was.

1. The Taliban, no matter what you may think of them, were the legitimate and recognized government of a sovereign nation.
2. They agreed to assist in finding him and turn him over if
3. The US could show some real evidence of his involvement in 9/11.

They only wanted to see documents showing he A) funded the operation, B) communicated with the supposed hijackers or C) had any known contact with the supposed hijackers.

Instead of showing any of this to the Taliban or even the general public G W Bush announced that they had lots of evidence and then proceeded to invade the country. To this day there has been no evidence as noted above or even intelligence reports delivered to anyone or shown to the public to confirm OBL was involved. The only thing that actually supports this theory is the word of Bush and his staff and I don't believe what he tells me if his tongue was notarized.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there was no connection possible, I am saying there has been no hard evidence produced to back up the claim.

bin Laden released a tape claiming responsibility for the attack and promised more. The Taliban have shown themselves for what they are. No better than the terrorist scum. The war in Afghanistan proves just what they are.

Not at all surprising they would ask to play court judge and jury while Al Qaeda makes it's way out into Pakistan and the rest of the world. There is no doubt that bin Laden was the ring leader and inspiration of Al Qaeda. If you fail to see that, then you're hopeless.

What was found after Nato invaded Afghanistan were training camps, evidence of past acts of terrorism and planing materials for future ones.

There are times when what should happen are pushed aside by what does happen. In this case, a terrorist was hunted down like a dog and the moment he popped his head up, he was slaughtered. That is what happens when you're a scum bag terrorist that slaughters civilians in time of peace as a political statement.

While Bush is a half wit used by megalomaniacs to invade and steal resources from Iraq, the operation in Afghanistan was and is a legitimate war waged to crush a regime who supported the people who killed a lot of people just going to work. It's not fallen on deaf ears that foreign policy has some issues that we in the West have to address, but it's absolutely stupid as hell to think that letting a terrorist group use your country to train and recruit terrorists to send over here and around the world isn't going to get a seriously overwhelming reaction. Afghaistan should thank whom ever they need to that they didn't get what Hiroshima and Nagasaki got.
 

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The war in Afghanistan proves just what they are.

And just how is that? Do you mean their tactics? If you don't have billion dollar aircraft or multi million dollar drones you fight with what you have available.
There is no doubt that bin Laden was the ring leader and inspiration of Al Qaeda. If you fail to see that, then you're hopeless.
Do you realize that Al Qaeda is only in existence in western intelligence agencies and that the name come from a computer provided to the mujahadeen by the CIA during the USSR occupation of afghanistan. I am still, 10 years after the fact, waiting for just one piece of actual documented evidence of his involvement.

What was found after Nato invaded Afghanistan were training camps, evidence of past acts of terrorism and planing materials for future ones.
I could find evidence of some pretty evil and nasty sh*t if I looked through the pentagon and CIA archives too. Be willing to be judged by the same standards you judge others by.

There are times when what should happen are pushed aside by what does happen. In this case, a terrorist was hunted down like a dog and the moment he popped his head up, he was slaughtered. That is what happens when you're a scum bag terrorist that slaughters civilians in time of peace as a political statement.
Once again, just 1 legitimate document please. A travel visa for one of the hijackers to or from Afghanistan, a money trail, anything?

While Bush is a half wit used by megalomaniacs to invade and steal resources from Iraq, the operation in Afghanistan was and is a legitimate war waged to crush a regime who supported the people who killed a lot of people just going to work. It's not fallen on deaf ears that foreign policy has some issues that we in the West have to address, but it's absolutely stupid as hell to think that letting a terrorist group use your country to train and recruit terrorists to send over here and around the world isn't going to get a seriously overwhelming reaction. Afghaistan should thank whom ever they need to that they didn't get what Hiroshima and Nagasaki got.
Only taken 60+ years to start to realize that foriegn policy may have made the west targets, how long will it take to change it? The only changes in the last decade have made things worse.

Very interesting you bring up nukes, global thermonuclear war will solve everything. I was just watching Alex Jones showing documented comments from US govt officials about the subject and how the supposed terrorists have over 160 nukes, which is way more than they never found in Iraq, and how the US may have to use a pre-emptive strike before an american city suffers a nuclear blast.
 

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I am glad to see you are proud and happy about the american way becoming just as low and bad as those you used to oppose.

lol. Please, plase spare me.

As if you thought any different before.

So proud.



And just how is that? Do you mean their tactics? If you don't have billion dollar aircraft or multi million dollar drones you fight with what you have available.



PWNED

I was just watching Alex Jones showing documented comments from US govt officials about the subject ....

Call in the Cookie Truck!
 

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And just how is that? Do you mean their tactics? If you don't have billion dollar aircraft or multi million dollar drones you fight with what you have available.

Well if you stopped all the "What God Wants" **** and worked at making all the people of your country better educated and more prosperous then chances are you would have a billion dollar aircraft and multi million dollar drones to fight with.

Do you realize that Al Qaeda is only in existence in western intelligence agencies and that the name come from a computer provided to the mujahadeen by the CIA during the USSR occupation of afghanistan. I am still, 10 years after the fact, waiting for just one piece of actual documented evidence of his involvement.

You do realize that it was people not a computer, that flew those planes into the twin towers, the pentagon, blew up the USS Cole and so on right? Not a computer file, not a conspiracy, not someone's imagination and not God.
A group we know as Al Qaeda who was by his own admission, lead and organized and funded by bin Laden, sent video tapes to an independent source, claiming responsibility for those attacks and others.

I suspect that there will be a lifetime between you and someone proving that which you choose to believe does not exist. You believe what you want. I'll do the same.


I could find evidence of some pretty evil and nasty sh*t if I looked through the pentagon and CIA archives too. Be willing to be judged by the same standards you judge others by.

Sure, I know it too. At least as bad as anything someone wants to unleash on the West and perhaps worse. But you forget, they're savages, but they're our savages. I don't see why I need to limit my tool box of weapons to make it easier for you to beat me.

Once again, just 1 legitimate document please. A travel visa for one of the hijackers to or from Afghanistan, a money trail, anything?

There is a video of him standing in bin Laden's headquarters in Afghanistan reading his Martyrdom will. Atta was standing with Ziad Jarrah, the pilot of United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after the passengers apparently stormed the flight deck. It's all available on the Internet if you want to go read it.
But you have to go read it and not tell those in a debate with you that you haven't been presented with one piece of evidence... Get off your bum and do your own research.


Only taken 60+ years to start to realize that foriegn policy may have made the west targets, how long will it take to change it? The only changes in the last decade have made things worse.

Change takes time. Fall backs happen. It's the getting back on the horse that eventually brings success.

Very interesting you bring up nukes, global thermonuclear war will solve everything. I was just watching Alex Jones showing documented comments from US govt officials about the subject and how the supposed terrorists have over 160 nukes, which is way more than they never found in Iraq, and how the US may have to use a pre-emptive strike before an american city suffers a nuclear blast.

No they don't solve anything. They just kill a lot of people at once. So while you complain about how unfair it is for the US to attack those who have attacked them when the US has such superior fire power, I tell you to count your blessings they didn't use what they have at their disposal. They in fact pulled their punches in Afghanistan and while fighting the Taliban with the rest of the Nato countries involved, they are also providing aid, relief and all kinds of effort to help real people regain a livelihood taken away by 30 plus years of war.

When do the radicals you fight so hard for get to their part?