NDP Menace Evaporates Under Scrutiny

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The difference is, if you would open your eyes, I am not going on about Layton's agenda, I am talking about his declared policies.

BIG difference.

30 billion? No I can't, but even double it to 60 billion over 20 years, and it is stills a heck of a lot less than 70 billion over 4 years.

I said I did not support a corporate tax cut. Nor do I support raising corporate taxes.

The 70 billion has been costed.

Has the rise in the dollar?

I'm talking about his policies, what is the difference?

If you don't support a corporate tax reduction why not a moderate raising of them over 4 years. Still much lower than in the US at 35%.

Guys, read the budget:

http://xfer.ndp.ca/2011/2011-Platform/NDP2011PlatformSS_web_en.pdf

If you have any legitimate critique about fiscal policy, then do the right thing and dissect the budget.

Otherwise you're all just blowing hot air.


The CBC already debunked it.

For some reason they hold wiehgt on this issue all of a sudden.
 

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I'd love to see the question I supposedly posed, that I'm now moving goal posts on.


Shill on, shill.

Just as I expected.

Let me know when you're man enough to critique the budget - as that is what this thread is about.
 

CDNBear

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Just as I expected.
Good, because I wasn't expecting you to back up your silly pic, with something like intelligence.

Do you even know what "moving the goal posts" actually means?

You should, you're doing a fine job of it.

Let me know when you're man enough to critique the budget - as that is what this thread is about.
It is? The OP is an Op/Ed piece, about policy. Besides that, Colpy has posted critiques I believe.
 

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Just as I expected.

Let me know when you're man enough to critique the budget - as that is what this thread is about.

Subsidies for home heating will go up hard if cap and trade is in..............

The reward from raising the corporate tax is optimistic in the extreme........with fuel prices significantly higher, and with job losses due to cap and trade, with the oil sands project shrunk, and with Jack against free trade with the USA...........there will be shrinkage in the economy ....I listened to an economist on the CBC say that (at best) the raise to 19.5% would generate 3 billion a year. Less than a third.

The CPP raises are insane, we can not sustain the CPP at present levels, and a 2.5% raise in revenues ain't gonna cut it.

I am all for dumping oil company subsidies.

Jack is smoking the good stuff, he has not a clue....

besides that:

Jack will swing our support from Israel to the Palestinians.

Jack will destroy our military.

Jack will damage our alliances.

Jack will draw us much closer to the United Nations.

Jack will alienate the west, while expecting them to pay the bills.

Jack will introduce yet more gun control.

Jack sucks.
 

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Who's been in power for the last five years?

Where was the vaunted Harper economic ability in foreseeing the economic meltdown in 2008, by 2006 economists were already predicting serious problems with an expected 20% default rate on many MBS due to sub-prime lending practices. How many meetings of the G-8/12/20 whatever were there in those years that Harper attended where they did nothing to act to prevent the looming crisis. In the runnup to 2008 election we were told Canada was going to weather the storm just fine, less than six months later hundreds of thousands of jobs dissappeared and the deficit the Liberals tamed in the 1990s roared back with a vengence. A little planning and an honest examination of the facts could have saved a lot of pain.

Harper represents the old model of big business and virtual monopolies and that's what he's really talking about when he warns us about the NDP. I guess if we want to conitnue to live in a world where the gap between the rich and the rapidly dissappearing middle class continues to grow then we should be concerned. The NDP will support small businesses many of which will grow into bigger businesses if given a chance and will employ Canadians instead of shipping jobs somewhere else. We live in a rapidly changing world and we need a government that can adapt as quickly as conditions change, not a party that wants to retreat into the nostalgia of a perfect past that never really existed.
 

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The reward from raising the corporate tax is optimistic in the extreme........with fuel prices significantly higher, and with job losses due to cap and trade, with the oil sands project shrunk, and with Jack against free trade with the USA...........there will be shrinkage in the economy ....I listened to an economist on the CBC say that (at best) the raise to 19.5% would generate 3 billion a year. Less than a third.

Do you have a link to the CBC article?
 

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Subsidies for home heating will go up hard if cap and trade is in..............

The reward from raising the corporate tax is optimistic in the extreme........with fuel prices significantly higher, and with job losses due to cap and trade, with the oil sands project shrunk, and with Jack against free trade with the USA...........there will be shrinkage in the economy ....I listened to an economist on the CBC say that (at best) the raise to 19.5% would generate 3 billion a year. Less than a third.

The CPP raises are insane, we can not sustain the CPP at present levels, and a 2.5% raise in revenues ain't gonna cut it.

I am all for dumping oil company subsidies.

Jack is smoking the good stuff, he has not a clue....

besides that:

Jack will swing our support from Israel to the Palestinians.

Jack will destroy our military.

Jack will damage our alliances.

Jack will draw us much closer to the United Nations.

Jack will alienate the west, while expecting them to pay the bills.

Jack will introduce yet more gun control.

Jack sucks.
Ah, smile.... May 2 is Purge-a-Tory Day....
 

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First page...

Yes, this is the cap and trade affair. I'm not a fan of this. I would much prefer the carbon tax and strict carbon emissions reductions.

I don't expect the NDP to have any level of power to actually implement cap and trade. They just won't get enough seats. Which is why the conservative fear mongering is hilarious.

Hopefully, by time they get more momentum, they will change this policy to the one I've stated.
 
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No, you vote ideology. Like I've been saying about you, all along. Hence all the nonsense you've posted on Harper.

And your post only confirms 1 thing, my point, you can't prove Harper is controlling the media, because he isn't.
 

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No, you vote ideology. Like I've been saying about you, all along. Hence all the nonsense you've posted on Harper.

And your post only confirms 1 thing, my point, you can't prove Harper is controlling the media, because he isn't.

I just googled "media control" for craps and giggles - media control - Google Search

Guess who shows up on Page 1.



Also, the NDP and Liberals both have an internet policy they would like in place which includes scrapping usage based billing. The conservatives don't.

So don't tell me that is just hyperbole.
 

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Improved internet and usage based billing

The New Democartic Party (NDP) has promised a ban on all forms of usage based billing by ISPs, and enshrine net neutrality in law, which would prevent bandwidth throttling. The Liberals have promised "functional separation" with regards to usage based billing.[68][69] Almost all of the established parties, with the exception of the Conservatives, have outlined polices to try and improve Canadian internet.[70]

Canadian federal election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Improved internet and usage based billing

The New Democartic Party (NDP) has promised a ban on all forms of usage based billing by ISPs, and enshrine net neutrality in law, which would prevent bandwidth throttling. The Liberals have promised "functional separation" with regards to usage based billing.[68][69] Almost all of the established parties, with the exception of the Conservatives, have outlined polices to try and improve Canadian internet.[70]

Canadian federal election, 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So a lack of an expressed policy on internet usage billing, is a policy of media control?



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