Ontario to Repeal G20 Stop and Search Law

Cliffy

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How close are you when you took those pictures? I realize you may not like police dressed in all black, geared out to the max, walking down the street, but put yourself in their shoes. They don't want you anywhere near them.

Also, why are you calling me a jackass and a slobbering retard? Are you not aware that insults directed towards other members are against the rules of this forum?
The police march toward and attacked peaceful, innocent protesters. People were trying to get away from the cops, but those fine police officers surrounded and beat them up. That is so obvious from all the footage of the unprovoked attacks. Why can't you see that?

Fair enough, but still, when you see cops huddled together in their riot gear - that means stay away. They take your very presence as you antagonizing them because they don't know your intentions.

What is your opinion of the Black block? Good guys or bad guys?
The cops antaganized the protesters.

The Black block were the bag guys. They were police provocateurs. They were not confronted and took refuge behind police lines.

Man,you can be so blind sometimes.
 

In Between Man

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The police march toward and attacked peaceful, innocent protesters. People were trying to get away from the cops, but those fine police officers surrounded and beat them up. That is so obvious from all the footage of the unprovoked attacks. Why can't you see that?


The cops antaganized the protesters.

The Black block were the bag guys. They were police provocateurs. They were not confronted and took refuge behind police lines.

Man,you can be so blind sometimes.

Blind? I don't see the protesters moving very quickly, like they legitimately want to get out of the area! The police are ones IN CHARGE. They have the AUTHORITY. Notice how the police move along in a line in order to move the protesters? They can do that because they're IN CHARGE. Notice how some of the protesters don't move? That's PROVOKING. They're DISOBEYING orders from the police - WHO ARE IN CHARGE. They have AUTHORITY over protesters.

The Black block were the bag guys. They were police provocateurs. They were not confronted and took refuge behind police lines.

Man,you can be so blind sometimes.

I do remember when those Quebec officers pretended to be black block guys. That was pretty stupid. But there's no way every single one is a cop. C'mon!
 

lone wolf

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Blind? I don't see the protesters moving very quickly, like they legitimately want to get out of the area! The police are ones IN CHARGE. They have the AUTHORITY. Notice how the police move along in a line in order to move the protesters? They can do that because they're IN CHARGE. Notice how some of the protesters don't move? That's PROVOKING. They're DISOBEYING orders from the police - WHO ARE IN CHARGE. They have AUTHORITY over protesters.



I do remember when those Quebec officers pretended to be black block guys. That was pretty stupid. But there's no way every single one is a cop. C'mon!
While you're noticing things, notice the sandstone arch entry? That is the Ontario Legislature - AKA Queens Park - an area that was designated as an area for protesters to legally gather and do their thing. Notice there is no barricade between the Porta-Potties and the Legislature. In essence, that sanctuary was a smorgasboard for cop quota
 

Cliffy

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Blind? I don't see the protesters moving very quickly, like they legitimately want to get out of the area! The police are ones IN CHARGE. They have the AUTHORITY. Notice how the police move along in a line in order to move the protesters? They can do that because they're IN CHARGE. Notice how some of the protesters don't move? That's PROVOKING. They're DISOBEYING orders from the police - WHO ARE IN CHARGE. They have AUTHORITY over protesters.

The cops surrounded them. They were closing in from all sides. There was nowhere to go except to be crowded in the middle. They knew they were screwed, so what would be the hurry to get bunched up and beaten.

I do remember when those Quebec officers pretended to be black block guys. That was pretty stupid. But there's no way every single one is a cop. C'mon!

Toronto was no different. There may have been the odd sh*t disturber, but the damage was done by provocateurs. This was just a practice session. The real crackdown is still to come. Give Harper a majority and it will come sooner than later. We have all seen what he does to anyone who stands in his way or questions his motives and actions. If you support a police state, you will get one.
 

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While you're noticing things, notice the sandstone arch entry? That is the Ontario Legislature - AKA Queens Park - an area that was designated as an area for protesters to legally gather and do their thing. Notice there is no barricade between the Porta-Potties and the Legislature. In essence, that sanctuary was a smorgasboard for cop quota

If that park is designated for protesting, why did they march in? No reason has been given by you guys. Also, I didn't realize they're was such a thing as a "police free zone".

I'm going back to watch the vid again....
 

lone wolf

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If that park is designated for protesting, why did they march in? No reason has been given by you guys. Also, I didn't realize they're was such a thing as a "police free zone".

I'm going back to watch the vid again....
How can any of us give a reason? There wasn't any. G20 and their precious fence was 2 km south of there....
 

petros

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We already have a "free speech zone" that starts at the Artic Ocean and extends down to the Pacific and Atlantic.

I guess protestors should start arming themselves equally to the police considering we all are allegedly equals?
 

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While you're noticing things, notice the sandstone arch entry? That is the Ontario Legislature - AKA Queens Park - an area that was designated as an area for protesters to legally gather and do their thing. Notice there is no barricade between the Porta-Potties and the Legislature. In essence, that sanctuary was a smorgasboard for cop quota

But what I do see is a barricade surrounding the Legislature, meaning this would a no go zone for the protesters. ? But then their designated area is next to a no go zone? Is it possible the police didn't want them in that park even if it's been the traditional place of protest. Was this officially declared a protest zone for the G20 meeting?

How can any of us give a reason? There wasn't any. G20 and their precious fence was 2 km south of there....

There was no reason. Read my previous post.

But no reason isn't good enough! Especially when your accusing the police of wrong doing. We just can't assume that the officers were all Harper-supporting right wingers who hate left wing protesters. Surely not all officers are conservative and not all protesters are left wing.

As I was telling Wolf, from my perspective(and experience) it appears that the protesters have an anti authority agenda. A lot of the younger ones probably couldn't explain why they're protesting in the first place. The spirit of rebellion and nothing more. No substance.
 
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mentalfloss

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So, after all this, still no reason provided why the police confronted the protesters? Strange.

Yea, it's so "strange", lol

It's probably because they want to give the protestors hugs and kisses on behalf of the government who loves protestors.


Ontario refuses to apologize for secret G20 law

The Ontario government is refusing to apologize for its secret G20 law that resulted in hundreds of arrests — but few charges that stuck — despite a damning report on it by former chief justice Roy McMurtry.

As first reported in Thursday’s Star, the widely respected McMurtry recommended the Public Works Protection Act be repealed because the broad arrest powers it gives police are “beyond troubling.”

He pointed a finger at Premier Dalton McGuinty’s government for failing to properly communicate the so-called secret law the cabinet approved under the PWPA at the request of Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair, and for wrongly creating the impression police could demand identification or search without warrant anyone coming within five metres of the G20 security fence last June. The restriction applied to areas only inside the security zone.

Community Safety and Corrections Minister Jim Bradley said he agrees with McMurtry that the law went too far but would not apologize, saying any such move must wait until other inquiries into summit security are complete.

“I’m a sports fan and on Monday morning I have different views than I might have had during the action itself,” Bradley told reporters Thursday, again refusing NDP calls for an inquiry into the situation. “Certainly, Justice McMurtry is one who has said that this is not the appropriate law to be used and I agree.”

Bradley promised the government would repeal the law, passed in 1939 to protect things like power plants at Niagara Falls from Nazi sabotage, and replace it with more “specific” laws for protecting courthouses and nuclear power stations.

But any such action will have to wait until after the Oct. 6 provincial election because time is needed to consult with other levels of government, civil liberties groups, citizens and police to strike a “balance” between freedom and security, Bradley added.

Police, including reinforcements from across Canada, arrested 1,105 people and charged 278 in melees on the streets that saw small bands of vandals setting police cars on fire and breaking store windows while interspersed with more peaceful protesters. Hundreds who were arrested were later released or never booked, and most charges have been dropped.

“The problem is the government shrugs,” said New Democrat MPP and justice critic Peter Kormos, calling the report an “indictment” of the McGuinty government and the way it created the impression police had more authority.

“Most police thought they were following the letter of the law. The police were duped as well as the public.”
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association said it feels “vindicated” by the “critical tone” of the report and its recommendations to scrap and replace the PWPA.

But the association’s general counsel Nathalie Des Rosiers told the Star a full inquiry remains necessary to get to the bottom of why so many peaceful protesters were rounded up, among other things.

Progressive Conservative MPP and community safety critic Garfield Dunlop (Simcoe North) said an inquiry would be expensive and the most efficient route is for McGuinty to “come clean” on why his government kept the secret law from the public.

Ontario refuses to apologize for secret G20 law - thestar.com
 

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The cops surrounded them. They were closing in from all sides. There was nowhere to go except to be crowded in the middle. They knew they were screwed, so what would be the hurry to get bunched up and beaten.

Toronto was no different. There may have been the odd sh*t disturber, but the damage was done by provocateurs. This was just a practice session. The real crackdown is still to come. Give Harper a majority and it will come sooner than later. We have all seen what he does to anyone who stands in his way or questions his motives and actions. If you support a police state, you will get one.

I agree with Harper. The choice is clear in this election. You either support Canada becoming a Police State under Harper, or you support the Canadian government serving the people under Layton. The mini police state created around the G20 summit is a taste of what the future would be under Harper.

We already have a "free speech zone" that starts at the Arctic Ocean and extends down to the Pacific and Atlantic.

I guess protesters should start arming themselves equally to the police considering we all are allegedly equals?

Unless you are willing to escalate that to violent overthrow of the government, we'd best not go down that path. If protesters resort to violence, then those actions will be used to justify increased violence by the authorities. I support peaceful protest only. Not all the police agreed with beating peaceful protesters. Some were probably disgusted by it. I'm sure we also have allies among the police. We have to appeal to their sense of justice and compassion.

Sorry, but I can't believe anything written by the liberal media. Kidding! :lol:

So, after all this, still no reason provided why the police confronted the protesters? Strange.
Think about it....
 

mentalfloss

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More than Harper, I'm definitely ditching this "Liberal" shill the next provincial election.