Why Yes, Mitzy Will Rip Your Face Off.

Unforgiven

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My apologies for misleading you.

Dogs, other than guide dogs, do not belong in stores.

Nor do goats, snakes, rats, lemurs, wallabies, pigs, ferrets, or other animals.

If you are so attached to your dog that you cannot bear to be separated for a half hour, feel free to lock yourself in your basement. If I ran a store, I would not permit dogs in. Other than the reasonably obvious exception for trained guide dogs.

I get it, but you don't really supply an answer as to why you feel that the don't belong in stores or else where for that matter. How about hospitals, cave ins, public parks and cafe patios?

How comforting is that? ..to know that someone's got your back?

;?)

Ha! Nice seeing you again.
 

TenPenny

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In reality, rule no 1 is to never get your face near a strange dog.

Rule no 2 is that if a dog bites you, you're allowed to pick it up and throw it as far as you can.
 

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Unforgiven

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Could be because dogs are animals, not humans.

What about pet stores? If they're animals how would they be sold? Not to mention fish, birds, cats and all sorts of other creatures sold in pet stores.

I jest.

Because they're animals isn't a good reason. Service dogs are not humans. They are animals and by your own admission, should be allowed in stores. So this simply will not work as an argument don't you agree?

I definitely would have pulled that dogs head off had bit me on the nose

Wouldn't it be better all around for you to not stuff your face in the dog's face?
 

TenPenny

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What about pet stores? If they're animals how would they be sold? Not to mention fish, birds, cats and all sorts of other creatures sold in pet stores.

I jest.

Because they're animals isn't a good reason. Service dogs are not humans. They are animals and by your own admission, should be allowed in stores. So this simply will not work as an argument don't you agree?

No, I don't agree.

Animals that are not service animals do not belong in stores.

Unless I'm allowed to ride a motorcycle through the aisles.
 

karrie

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An animal in a cart that bites faces that get near it is a hazard in a store, given that kids faces are at cart height and they're not surveying carts for face biting animals as they walk through stores. Sorry, but the whole 'people should know better' argument goes out the window with the fact that, out in the world, moving about on a daily basis, are people with no experience or knowledge of dogs. Dog owners know they bump up against said people. No store should need to allow poorly trained animals with aggression problems in their door, and since they can't tell until something happens which animals those are, then only animals with good reason to be there should be allowed in. As it currently is in most stores.
 

karrie

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Ok I get that you don't agree with that.



Ok watch this. Yes they do. Now what?



No way your motorcycle isn't a lawn chair so it doesn't belong in a store.
Same argument I think.

To be more precise, his motorcycle isn't a wheel chair. You're discussing domestic dogs versus service dogs which are protected under law as accessiblity tools for the handicapped. The direct comparison to a motorcycle then becomes a wheel chair.... an accessibility device for the handicapped, which, according to law, stores have to allow and accomodate for.
 

Unforgiven

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An animal in a cart that bites faces that get near it is a hazard in a store, given that kids faces are at cart height and they're not surveying carts for face biting animals as they walk through stores. Sorry, but the whole 'people should know better' argument goes out the window with the fact that, out in the world, moving about on a daily basis, are people with no experience or knowledge of dogs. Dog owners know they bump up against said people. No store should need to allow poorly trained animals with aggression problems in their door, and since they can't tell until something happens which animals those are, then only animals with good reason to be there should be allowed in. As it currently is in most stores.

I dare say it's a hazard anywhere it goes. But that isn't all dogs. Sadly anyone and I mean anyone at all can go and get a dog, not train it to behave, even to be aggressive and bite anything that comes near it, and we're ok with that, because once in a while, we'll do something stupid like BSL. It's not that there isn't a fix for this, just we're too quickly distracted to actually sit through what that fix is and implement it. We don't even like the short term solutions like don't stick your face in a stranger's dogs face until you find out if it bites.

No store needs to allow pets in the store. Some, like Home Depot and other lumber/home renovation stores often do. Kids too even though there are many many dangers to children who aren't taught manners or safety rules and allowed to go running and screaming down the isles without a care for where they are going or what is around them. many parents like many dog owners don't really think that the problematic among us are their problem nor that there is a solution to it.

Nothing wrong with a well trained and well mannered dog going along for a browse through the isles of the local lumber store, bank or urban sidewalk.

Yes, but if people are allowed to bring any dog into a Home Depot, I should be allowed to ride a motorcycle through the aisles.

How about just good dogs and electric scooters? You can rock the E bike can't you? heh heh
 

karrie

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We've had this go around before Unf.... you speak of what could be, ideals, and 'the best' of dogs. But we don't live there. We live with bad dog owners creating unpredictable animals, and people who don't know those animals coming into contact with them in unpredictable ways... that's reality. A store can't plan for an ideal, they have to plan for reality. And reality bit them in the face.
 

Unforgiven

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We've had this go around before Unf.... you speak of what could be, ideals, and 'the best' of dogs. But we don't live there. We live with bad dog owners creating unpredictable animals, and people who don't know those animals coming into contact with them in unpredictable ways... that's reality. A store can't plan for an ideal, they have to plan for reality. And reality bit them in the face.

Reality is that one little dog bit a worker in the face because she stuck her face into the dogs face. No one should be the stupid. Parents should teach their children, or have someone else teach them about being safe around dogs. It' takes ten minutes and lasts a life time. If someone taught the worker the right way to approach a dog she never would have been bitten. I wonder if she learned anything from this?
 

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Reality is that one little dog bit a worker in the face because she stuck her face into the dogs face. No one should be the stupid. Parents should teach their children, or have someone else teach them about being safe around dogs. It' takes ten minutes and lasts a life time. If someone taught the worker the right way to approach a dog she never would have been bitten. I wonder if she learned anything from this?
Shih Tzu are quite friendly little mutts-could be the employee is just a hateful b!tch.

My St Bernard was fine with anyone-as long as their face didn't come too close to hers.