Who has what it takes to live outside the box?

Corduroy

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I guess if I was interested in reaching the jaded, I would think of something more entertaining.

Who are you trying to reach then? The naive, the gullible, the easily amused? ;)

The fact is that I posted it because I thought it would possibly stimulate conversation - an escape from the fighting over politics . I kinda thought that is what a forum was all about. And I wasn't saying "think outside the box". I was talking about "escaping the Matrix" but that is just another tired cliche, but I am too lazy to come up with something else at this time.
Doesn't really matter how you describe it. The sentiment itself is a cliche. Like I said, I've been hearing this stuff all my life. It's now conformist to be non-conformist. Everything thinks they're special. Abstract thinking is encourage dby the establishment, even by corporate culture. They even made a movie about "escaping the Matrix", empty self-discovery tripe starring Julia Roberts.How can you be more a part of the cultural establishment if your sentiments are expressed in a Hollywood movie?
 

Unforgiven

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It's ok Cliff I understand what you mean and it's a good message though the video plays it out in such a weak and uninspired method. Sadly there is some truth to it, but surrounded by lies and irrational conclusions slapped together out of context and out of time.

Still the sentiment is welcome and though exposes fear in some people, does send up a flag for others to see and know they are not alone.
 

SLM

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I guess if I was interested in reaching the jaded, I would think of something more entertaining. The fact is that I posted it because I thought it would possibly stimulate conversation - an escape from the fighting over politics . I kinda thought that is what a forum was all about. And I wasn't saying "think outside the box". I was talking about "escaping the Matrix" but that is just another tired cliche, but I am too lazy to come up with something else at this time.
I support you in your quest for conversation, in particular non-election/political conversation. :)

Not sure I could sever all ties with this lifestyle, although at times I seriously want to. Just go live on a beach somewhere, lol. I live a fairly simple life now, lifestyle wise, so I cannot even imagine the weight of "keeping up with the Jones" so to speak. The endless hamster wheel of society-going nowhere fast.
 

Cliffy

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Anything could be considered as anything. Some folks have a hard time following the bouncing logic ball.
I think there are as many bouncing logic balls as there are people. Just look at this little forum we inhabit. There is little that everybody can agree on because our individual realities are coloured by our personal experiences of life. This does not necessarily mean that those who disagree with us are wrong or crazy or morons, it just means they see things differently. That is what makes life interesting but some find it threatening, something I have a hard time understanding. I am fascinated by other's opinions. I don't feel threatened by them. I see no reason to call someone a moron because I don't agree with them. That sort of response tells me there is fear behind the accusation.
 

Cannuck

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I think there are as many bouncing logic balls as there are people. Just look at this little forum we inhabit. There is little that everybody can agree on because our individual realities are coloured by our personal experiences of life.

Not really. Most people have agendas and are led by them. Drop the agenda and look at things with an open mind. Forget about what's "right" or "wrong" and consider what "works" given what you wish to do.

I am fascinated by other's opinions. I don't feel threatened by them. I see no reason to call someone a moron because I don't agree with them. That sort of response tells me there is fear behind the accusation.

Perhaps you need to rethink how you post in this forum because through your writing, it is quite clear that you are threatened by some opinions.
 

Cliffy

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Not really. Most people have agendas and are led by them. Drop the agenda and look at things with an open mind. Forget about what's "right" or "wrong" and consider what "works" given what you wish to do.

Perhaps you need to rethink how you post in this forum because through your writing, it is quite clear that you are threatened by some opinions.
I cannot help or influence how people interpret or understand what I say. Just like there are thousands, possibly millions of ways to interpret the bible or any other book, everyone understands what they read or see according to their own way of perceiving. There is nothing clear about the way I post or write. I try to be in the moment and respond to what is before me with how I feel at that time. That is why some of what I post looks contradictory or inconsistent. Sometimes I just play devil's advocate, sometimes I play word association games with what I read. The only consistency is how you or anybody else interprets it. That I have no control over. Half the time I don't have control over myself. Insanity has its benefits.
 

MHz

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Not that kind of control, the kind you were referencing in your post. Matbe your writing is quite clear (for the subject) but only a certain % will be able to understand it as written. That doesn't mean you are wrong or they are dim-witted. If you had the opportunity to take replies those gaps should be able to be 'resolved' via larger amounts of 'accurate information'. The 'facts' don't always fit in with what a person believes to be true. One fact is the ones the 'West' calls 'terrorists' in Afghanistan and Iraq are called 'patriots' and if we were invaded in the same way our duty would be to kill as many of them as fast as we could. If we are 'bothered' by the methods they use to resist the invasion ( a very illegal and immoral one) in any way/shape/ form that is 'tuff'. Had our fathers not been so asleep at the wheel and changed some corrupt things before the two wars then they could well be avoided all together. Unfortunately that means some people willingly get into a box and tightly close it all by themselves.
 

Cannuck

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...One fact is the ones the 'West' calls 'terrorists' in Afghanistan and Iraq are called 'patriots' and if we were invaded in the same way our duty would be to kill as many of them as fast as we could. If we are 'bothered' by the methods they use to resist the invasion ( a very illegal and immoral one) in any way/shape/ form that is 'tuff'. Had our fathers not been so asleep at the wheel and changed some corrupt things before the two wars then they could well be avoided all together. Unfortunately that means some people willingly get into a box and tightly close it all by themselves.

That is not fact, that is opinion. Any time people use the word immoral, it is very likely an opinion based argument versus a factually based argument. It's also not a "fact" when one lumps whole groups of people together using terms like "the West" or "the Muslim world".
 

MHz

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Had our relatives been a little more on the ball neithe world wars would have been fought, so if lost relatives is an issue you might want to ponder what the instigators of both wars have escaped with impunity, even worse, in those two wars they charged the Nations fighting (on both sides) enormous sums of money at the same time. If that doesn't get the most complaints then perhaps we deserve to be ****ed over as often as they decide to do it to us. The West can be defined by those who officially support US foreign policy regardless of the morality an justifications. I would assume that Muslim countries are classified as the very same ones that voted 'No" to Un181. No matter what **** we may have cause we are still the only ones to be right as rain.
 

MHz

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Any 'textbook' is what I took it to mean, that means publishing your own book so that might not be the best answer.