You do realize, I hope, that ' issue-by-issue collaboration with other parties ' is what kept Harper in power for the last few years.
The Coalition Strikes!!!
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Absolutely.
That is not what this will be.
The difference is that Harper only needed the co-operation of one of the three opposition parties......leaving none of them with veto power or even an undue amount of power.
The Liberals, should Harper get 150 seats (which seems likely) will require the support of both the NDP and the BQ every time..........they sure as heck won't be getting any help from the CPC!
That is not a "issue by issue" collaboration, it is a coaltion by another name. In which the BQ will weild twice the influenceof the NDP.
Not at all healthy for the country.
This Bloc influence is a lot healthier than what we could have. Harper only has a small handful of MP that believe in his operations. Most of his good MP's have quit. Trouble is he can't get a collaboration within his own party unless he keeps them out of the loop. If he is good at anything he is a master at that. His only tool is fear of another election and he has used this one on almost every vote unless his bill came from the opposition party play books. So the majority has already been ruling the house right up to the first ever contempt of Parliament majority ruling in March 2011. So it works, but there is room for improvement.
Or what?
The Libs and NDP will form a coalition without the BQ as part of the coalition, causing Quebec to pout and split?
If you don't know French, you really need to find some BQ campaign material and run it through Bablefish and read it, because they're not talking about separation. They're over that. They're about representing the interests of people who live in Quebec... just like I heard a rep from Newfoundland going on about how his issues were how to get the best deal from Ottawa for Newfoundland. It's called Regionalism.
But let's suppose the BQ were still about separation. They're not (your head is really stuck in the Bouchard days) but okay, let's pretend they are...
That means you think that French-Canadians are so vital to Canada as a nation that they must be compelled to stay if they don't want to.
Why don't you just tell the French Canadians you love and adore their contributions to Canadian civilization so much that you can't bear to live without them?
Or is it because you don't care about French-Canadians, but you do care about the land they live on, and you don't want to loose access to that property?
Hmm... if it's their territory you value, that would mean you wouldn't care if all French Canadians died, or were gasses, or locked up in ten billion dollars worth of prisons, and you think only a Harper majority will ensure enforcement of options like that?
You know, when you say things like, "... like him or hate him ... for the good of the country", that's like parroting the words of a French political philosopher called Chauvin.
He was the one who said, "My country, right or wrong", and his attitude led to what we call Chauvinism.
Why would you want to be a Chauvinist?
In history, national Chauvinism has always led to disaster.
le Bloc isn't federalist... Not one bit. Your vision of the future is right there in his words.
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I think you've just identified the main problem today with Canadian politics.............the Bloc..........it should be a provincial party as it's sole purpose (from what I can see) is splitting off Quebec from the rest of Canada, clearly a provincial matter. How can they possibly convince anyone outside of Quebec that they have a platform that is good for "Canada"?
They're not about separation anymore. They evolved away from that after Bouchard left and after they themselves will tell you they missed the boat on in the early 90's.
Specifically, if you talk to them, you'll hear/learn two things: 1) They think the time for separation was at the same time that eastern Europe was re-drawing borders and spawning new governments in the early 90's, and 2) They got the internet and started chatting with Anglos, which could be done because if it's written in text you can take your time reading what they're saying if your second language isn't so good, or you can just slam it through Bablefish, and they discovered that they had *way* more in common with each other than either of them had with their political representatives.
Consequently, the BQ has evolved into a Regionalism party, focused on representing the interests of Quebec, which means...
YES, You're RIGHT! They should be be a PROVINCIAL PARTY! That's why we have Provinces! Provinces exist to represent the interests of people in a Region!
The way it's working now, the BQ is basically competing with the provincial government in Quebec City over who's going to represent Quebec to Ottawa, and it's working at cross-purposes, because Quebec City is perfectly capable of representing Quebec interests, but because the BQ is not enabling French-Canadians to have the kind of voice in federal government they'd have if they were to vote for one of the truly national parties, they're just *not* getting the kind of voice in cabinet like they used to.
Back in the day, they didn't get french on the back of cereal boxes coast-to-coast by having a BQ. They got it by having members in cabinet of a real federal party.
LOL...It's not my vision, it's simply an opinion of what is possible. But you make a valid and very interesting point.
Best comment so far in the papers:
Kevin Libin: Forget the coalition. Call it a co-opposition. Same result | Full Comment | National Post
One needs to ask, are these people really that stupid??????
I believe they are.
Does anyone not realize the absolute outrage that will be felt in the RoC if they give Harper 150 plus seats......and the gov't is usurped by this bunch of morons in cahoots with the separatists???
I did, I really took Ignatieff at his word, for a full 36 hours......until I read they would not pass the budget if Parliament returned with a Harper minority.
You'd think I'd never met a politician.
Harper needs a majority for the good of the country.
Two more points:
I wonder if there are two or three or four MPs on the opposition side with enough of a sense of honour that they fulfill their obligation to their constituents and refuse to vote the party line in a confidence vote.........NAH! We just saw the gun registration vote, didn't we?
And does anyone have the slightest idea how much of a disaster it will be to have the BQ in power in Ottawa (THEY will be the second most powerful block in the "co=opposition" with many more seats than the NDP) and the PQ in Quebec, and that post-modern, citizen of the world, non-Canadian idiot Ignatieff in the PMs chair???
Talk about suitable conditions!!!!!!!
If you love this country, you need to hold your nose and vote Conservative, to give Harper a majority.
Kevin Libin: Forget the coalition. Call it a co-opposition. Same result | Full Comment | National Post
One needs to ask, are these people really that stupid??????
I believe they are.
Does anyone not realize the absolute outrage that will be felt in the RoC if they give Harper 150 plus seats......and the gov't is usurped by this bunch of morons in cahoots with the separatists???
I did, I really took Ignatieff at his word, for a full 36 hours......until I read they would not pass the budget if Parliament returned with a Harper minority.
You'd think I'd never met a politician.
Harper needs a majority for the good of the country.
Two more points:
I wonder if there are two or three or four MPs on the opposition side with enough of a sense of honour that they fulfill their obligation to their constituents and refuse to vote the party line in a confidence vote.........NAH! We just saw the gun registration vote, didn't we?
And does anyone have the slightest idea how much of a disaster it will be to have the BQ in power in Ottawa (THEY will be the second most powerful block in the "co=opposition" with many more seats than the NDP) and the PQ in Quebec, and that post-modern, citizen of the world, non-Canadian idiot Ignatieff in the PMs chair???
Talk about suitable conditions!!!!!!!
If you love this country, you need to hold your nose and vote Conservative, to give Harper a majority.
You're talking about the BQ, and if you'd been keeping up since Bouchard left and since everyone got the internet - with language translating software - you'd know that: 1) The BQ is not a Separatist party any more... it's become what's called a Regionalist party, and 2) A big part of the reason for that is because once french and english on the internet discovered they could chat with translation software, everyone discovered they had no reason to hate each other, such that the majority of Quebecois decided they'd rather be part of Canada insolong as they don't get crapped on by old Anglo United Empire Loyalists who think the British Empire is simply in a lull.
Actually, it's because I love this country that I am going to vote strategically instead of the party I'd normally prefer, in order to stop the reformacon candidate in my riding from getting a seat.
I guess we have to vote for who we think will commit the least mayhem. With reservations I'm still for Harper, albeit what he did to Helena Guergis seems dispicable, but I don't understand all the "machinery" that comes into play in this sort of skulduggery. :smile:
You know, I really am not capable of dealing with the depth of delusion necessary for one to convince themselves that the Bloc Quebecois is NOT a separatist party, because Quebecers and the rest of Canada get together nightly on line and sing a bilingual version of kumbaya..............or something else equally ludicrous......................
The Bloc IS a separatist party, all you have to do is ask them.
With makes you voting for anyone other than the CPC idiotic, if you really do care for the country.
If it's any consolation I'm quite sure the plurality of the electorate agree with you. :smile:
It sounds so Republican - you're either with us or against us, there's no middle ground, and no room for other thoughts.
Rather a primitive point of view.
Rather a primitive point of view.
At this point, absolutely!
I know it sounds completely jingoistic, unreasonable, and partisan.....and I plea guilty on the partisan charge.......
But I fear the "perfect storm" of PQ in power in Quebec, the BQ sharing power in Ottawa, and Ignatieff as PM. And I feel we need to do whatever possible to prevent that.
Ignatieff will be useless in that event. Completely useless. He lacks spine, he lacks a belief in the nation of Canada, he lacks the intellectual or the nationalist fibre to take on separatist attack from within and without.
Oh my, the irony! Dion would have been so so much better in the role. Say what you like about the inoffensive little dweeb......he had a SPINE.
Graeme Hamilton: PQ plans to make next PM?s life hard | Full Comment | National Post
Oh, from the same article, for those crazy enough to believe the BQ is not separatist.........nor, I guess, aligned to the wildly separatist PQ....
Yes, voting Conservative is necessary, if you love the country.