The Coalition Strikes!!!

[Omicron]

Give it a break! Harper is a whole lot LESS scary than Jean Chretien....or Iggy, or Trudeau.

I've read Iggy's stuff, and he's quite articulate, and can see the big picture. I think he'd be better as a diplomat to the UN, or to the states or England, but he's not scary.

He is simply a Canadian politician.

Harper, on the other hand, is scary... unless I missed something and it became the norm for Canadian politicians to comment, when being found in Contempt of Parliament for the first time in Commonwealth History, to say, "Oh well, you win some, you loose some".

Speaking of martial law is just ridiculous...

Well, okay... perhaps it would have been more accurate to describe it as that of a Police State.

If he were to reorganize the justice system like how his modus operandi ruling cabinet works, courts would be secret star-chambers.

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

I've read Iggy's stuff, and he's quite articulate, and can see the big picture. I think he'd be better as a diplomat to the UN, or to the states or England, but he's not scary.

Harper, on the other hand, is scary... unless I missed something and it became the norm for Canadian politicians to comment, when being found in Contempt of Parliament for the first time in Commonwealth History, to say, "Oh well, you win some, you loose some".



Well, okay... perhaps it would have been more accurate to describe his vision as that of Police State.

If he were to reorganize the justice system like how his modus operandi ruling cabinet works, courts would be secret star-chambers.

Anyone who watched the G20 summit in Toronto last year got a taste of what a Concervative magority would do to poeple who disagree! Now that was a poilice stae action!

 

[PoliticalNick]

A majority goverment is a dictatorship! Thats why we have a 3 party system to prevent dictators from comming to power. The Coalition propaganda as already been dispelled . Parties vote together on issues thats normal and you know full well that the concervative made alliances on votes just like everyone else . So stop talking like a Concervative clone and think on your own for a second!

Well thats refreshing a Concervative who reconises that there are other seperate parties in our goverment who vote on decisions for the poeple. You are corect Ten Penny we now have 4 parties to date and thank you for not calling them a Coalition.

Thats why we have to above all priorities make sure no partie gets a majority . If Harper has been able to do all he did as a minority , imagine what he will do to Canada as a magority! Sorry Ten Penny but your willingly being manipulated which is the sadest part of democracy!

Anyone who watched the G20 summit in Toronto last year got a taste of what a Concervative magority would do to poeple who disagree! Now that was a poilice stae action!

Have you considered using spell-check or possibly some remedial english classes?

Harper, on the other hand, is scary... unless I missed something and it became the norm for Canadian politicians to comment, when being found in Contempt of Parliament for the first time in Commonwealth History, to say, "Oh well, you win some, you loose some".

You forgot "people don't care" 8O

 

[Colpy]

A majority goverment is a dictatorship! Thats why we have a 3 party system to prevent dictators from comming to power. The Coalition propaganda as already been dispelled . Parties vote together on issues thats normal and you know full well that the concervative made alliances on votes just like everyone else . So stop talking like a Concervative clone and think on your own for a second!

First of all, the Coalition has NOT been dispelled. Count Iggy gave his personal promise, but Count Iggy will last about as long as a firecracker in Hell should he lose this election. His successor (whatever unelected arsehole that is) will be chomping at the bit..........

Secondly, your avatar is incredibly offensive. I'm a paid up member of the Conservative Party, and I don't like being called a Nazi by some puppy that can't even spell "conservative"....

Thirdly, there were FOUR parties in the House at dissolution.

Fourth, when I get to the point I need lectures on rational thought from YOU, I'll put my 9mm in my mouth and try to pull the trigger twice.

Fifth...just in case you didn't catch my drift:. You're a moron. Piss off.

 

[CDNBear]

You forgot "people don't care" 8O

Or people who do care, actually took the time to find out the facts about how Harper's gov't ended up in contempt of Parliament.

It was precedent setting. Never before in the history of Parliament, was a sitting gov't forced to produce documents pertaining to an ongoing conflict, in which we may have sensitive communique.

 

[PoliticalNick]

First of all, the Coalition has NOT been dispelled. Count Iggy gave his personal promise, but Count Iggy will last about as long as a firecracker in Hell should he lose this election. His successor (whatever unelected arsehole that is) will be chomping at the bit..........

don't hold it in Colpy, tell us how you really feel.

Secondly, your avatar is incredibly offensive. I'm a paid up member of the Conservative Party....

I am amazed you admit that in public....I would ask for a refund post haste....but at least you can spell conservative.

Fourth, when I get to the point I need lectures on rational thought from YOU, I'll put my 9mm in my mouth and try to pull the trigger twice.

I bet you could do it too. Just start practicing now and you'll have it down in no time.

Or people who do care, actually took the time to find out the facts about how Harper's gov't ended up in contempt of Parliament.

It was precedent setting. Never before in the history of Parliament, was a sitting gov't forced to produce documents pertaining to an ongoing conflict, in which we may have sensitive communique.

Just how can documents relating to an election financing scam be sensitive, other than to those who would hide the truth? Whatever happened to 'transparent' government? It's not like we're talking about battle plans in an ongoing war here.

 

[CDNBear]

Just how can documents relating to an election financing scam be sensitive, other than to those who would hide the truth? Whatever happened to 'transparent' government? It's not like we're talking about battle plans in an ongoing war here.

The report tabled, was a conglomeration of failure to produce documents. At the top of the pile, was the documentation, pertaining to the Afghan detainees. Which the opposition had previously tried to force the gov'ts hand on. The other large portion, pertained to the F35.

We are in a state of conflict in Afghanistan. Like we were in a state of conflict in Korea.

At no time during the latter, was the sitting gov't, asked to produce documents, that may have been sensitive to an ongoing conflict, or procurements for said conflict.

It simply would have been seen as unCanadian, and/or treasonous. And the people wouldn't have stood for it.

But in todays antiwar climate, the opposition knew they could push the issue without looking like asshats. Well to those that don't actually explore Canadian Parliamentary history, and precedent. Thanks to this climate, the opposition was allowed to try and force the gov't to produce said documents, they knew the gov't could not do instantly, in all good conscience, and without endangering multi national agreements.

That's why this act, is precedent setting, in a negative way. It leaves a huge loophole in matters of national security, as well as damage our national credibility internationally, in matters where we may have to share sensitive data and intel with foreign nations, and visa versa.

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

First of all, the Coalition has NOT been dispelled. Count Iggy gave his personal promise, but Count Iggy will last about as long as a firecracker in Hell should he lose this election. His successor (whatever unelected arsehole that is) will be chomping at the bit..........

Secondly, your avatar is incredibly offensive. I'm a paid up member of the Conservative Party, and I don't like being called a Nazi by some puppy that can't even spell "conservative"....

Thirdly, there were FOUR parties in the House at dissolution.

Fourth, when I get to the point I need lectures on rational thought from YOU, I'll put my 9mm in my mouth and try to pull the trigger twice.

Fifth...just in case you didn't catch my drift:. You're a moron. Piss off.

you can go ahead and pull the trigger your already brain dead! You actualy pay to belong to the concervative partie?Whats wrong with you? have you lost all independent thinking process? Political parties are employees of the Canadian poeple and if they dont do the job right you fire them ! They should pay to be servant of the poeple ! I can't believe you pay to join them ! Like I said pull the trigger you may as well!

 

[Unforgiven]

Or people who do care, actually took the time to find out the facts about how Harper's gov't ended up in contempt of Parliament.

Fact remains they were found to be in contempt of parliament.

It was precedent setting. Never before in the history of Parliament, was a sitting gov't forced to produce documents pertaining to an ongoing conflict, in which we may have sensitive communique.

Doesn't matter who you are or think you are, when you are told to provide documents to parliament you do so. There is good reason for that too. Checks and balances are there for a reason regardless of how culpable it makes you even if your the government.

 

[CDNBear]

Fact remains they were found to be in contempt of parliament.

Easy to say when it isn't your responsibility to protect our international partnerships, security and policy.

I'm sure you'd sing, nicely I might add, a different tune, if it was your job.

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

The report tabled, was a conglomeration of failure to produce documents. At the top of the pile, was the documentation, pertaining to the Afghan detainees. Which the opposition had previously tried to force the gov'ts hand on. The other large portion, pertained to the F35.

We are in a state of conflict in Afghanistan. Like we were in a state of conflict in Korea.

At no time during the latter, was the sitting gov't, asked to produce documents, that may have been sensitive to an ongoing conflict, or procurements for said conflict.

It simply would have been seen as unCanadian, and/or treasonous. And the people wouldn't have stood for it.

But in todays antiwar climate, the opposition knew they could push the issue without looking like asshats. Well to those that don't actually explore Canadian Parliamentary history, and precedent. Thanks to this climate, the opposition was allowed to try and force the gov't to produce said documents, they knew the gov't could not do instantly, in all good conscience, and without endangering multi national agreements.

That's why this act, is precedent setting, in a negative way. It leaves a huge loophole in matters of national security, as well as damage our national credibility internationally, in matters where we may have to share sensitive data and intel with foreign nations, and visa versa.

Which came first the chicken or the egg? National security? When did anyone ever try to attack Canadians on there own soil other then the American about 300 years ago? If we have any enemies today its because we've had our head so deep up the American's ass that we can't see where they are taking us ! National security? You poeple sound as paranoid as the American who by the way have been installing dictators throughout the world for almost 100 years!

 

[TenPenny]

First of all, the Coalition has NOT been dispelled.

That's true, there's still that chance that Harper will form a coalition.

"We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority."

 

[CDNBear]

Which came first the chicken or the egg? National security? When did anyone ever try to attack Canadians on there own soil other then the American about 300 years ago? If we have any enemies today its because we've had our head so deep up the American's ass that we can't see where they are taking us ! National security? You poeple sound as paranoid as the American who by the way have been installing dictators throughout the world for almost 100 years!

Your reading comprehension, is about as good as your spelling.

When you actually understand what I wrote, instead of what you think I wrote, PM me, we'll talk.

That's true.

Yes it is...

One of Iggy's advisors knows how to set up an "Accord", to force an elected minority gov't out.

Iggy hasn't ruled out an accord, just a coalition.

 

[Jack_Of_Spade]

Your reading comprehension, is about as good as your spelling.

When you actually understand what I wrote, instead of what you think I wrote, PM me, we'll talk.

Yes it is...

One of Iggy's advisors knows how to set up an "Accord", to force an elected minority gov't out.

Iggy hasn't ruled out an accord, just a coalition.

every politician knows how to force a minoraty goverment out ! Its politic 101! Stop acting like the Concervatives are victims! They screwed up and on election day the poeple will boot them out! Case close! for the record how many of you concervative clones suport the invasion of afganistan and why?

 

[CDNBear]

every politician knows how to force a minoraty goverment out ! Its politic 101! Stop acting like the Concervatives are victims! They screwed up and on election day the poeple will boot them out! Case close! for the record how many of you concervative clones suport the invasion of afganistan and why?

Please reread this post...

Your reading comprehension, is about as good as your spelling.

When you actually understand what I wrote, instead of what you think I wrote, PM me, we'll talk.
.

 

[Omicron]

Canada if Harper's Reformacons get a majority:

 

[PoliticalNick]

The report tabled, was a conglomeration of failure to produce documents. At the top of the pile, was the documentation, pertaining to the Afghan detainees. Which the opposition had previously tried to force the gov'ts hand on. The other large portion, pertained to the F35.

OK, but I hold the opinion that the detainees are being held illegaly anyway, they have commited no crime within the jurisdiction of Canada nor have they been provided due process so the government as a whole should be held in contempt for that alone. As to the F-35's, well since it is all over the internet that the cons intend to purchase them and their specs a re also readily available I cannot call this a matter of national security at all.

We are in a state of conflict in Afghanistan. Like we were in a state of conflict in Korea.

Sorry but until we issue a declaration of war per the Geneva conventions we are an illegal invasion force. Once again that should be enough to hold the entire governmment in contempt. We have no jurisdiction if any foreign sovereign nation to act as a police force and should act accordingly instead of blindly following the US in their propagandist 'war on terror'.

It simply would have been seen as unCanadian, and/or treasonous. And the people wouldn't have stood for it.

It is unCanadian to be in Afghanistan in the first place, unless we are there to protect the people from the illegal invasion by the USA.

But in todays antiwar climate, the opposition knew they could push the issue without looking like asshats. Well to those that don't actually explore Canadian Parliamentary history, and precedent. Thanks to this climate, the opposition was allowed to try and force the gov't to produce said documents, they knew the gov't could not do instantly, in all good conscience, and without endangering multi national agreements.

Our rights to transparent and accountable government within our sovereign nation trumps any multi-national agreement. Our government belongs to and works for the citizens of Canada not any foreign entity. Unless you want to have to answer to some other country on everything we do.

That's why this act, is precedent setting, in a negative way. It leaves a huge loophole in matters of national security, as well as damage our national credibility internationally, in matters where we may have to share sensitive data and intel with foreign nations, and visa versa.

I would actually see it as a positive if the rest of the world got the message we are our own nation and don't have to listen to anyone else no matter what some other country may think or want. Lastly I do not see how releasing documents to parliament, and not the press or public, would compromise national security.

 

[Colpy]

you can go ahead and pull the trigger your already brain dead! You actualy pay to belong to the concervative partie?Whats wrong with you? have you lost all independent thinking process? Political parties are employees of the Canadian poeple and if they dont do the job right you fire them ! They should pay to be servant of the poeple ! I can't believe you pay to join them ! Like I said pull the trigger you may as well!

Get an education, please.

You obviously don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

Political parties are most definitely NOT 'employees of the Canadian poeple' (insert rolled eyes here), and you vote in an MP, not a party.

Political parties are an entity created by their members to put forth a particular political philosophy in the hope that their adherents are elected by the people to political office.........

I do give up on you. And you call me brain-dead! ROTFLMAO......

 

[PoliticalNick]

every politician knows how to force a minoraty goverment out ! Its politic 101! Stop acting like the Concervatives are victims! They screwed up and on election day the poeple will boot them out! Case close! for the record how many of you concervative clones suport the invasion of afganistan and why?

May I once again suggest spell-check or some remedial english classes. If the tone of your posts aren't enough to make you laughable your spelling and grammar is. 8O

 

[CDNBear]

OK, but I hold the opinion that the detainees are being held illegaly anyway, they have commited no crime within the jurisdiction of Canada nor have they been provided due process so the government as a whole should be held in contempt for that alone.

The issue wan't about us holding them, it was about what was happening to them when we lawfully handed them over to Afghan authorities.

As to the F-35's, well since it is all over the internet that the cons intend to purchase them and their specs a re also readily available I cannot call this a matter of national security at all.

That wasn't the point. The point is, it's munition procurement during conflict. An oversight solely for the sitting gov't.

Sorry but until we issue a declaration of war per the Geneva conventions we are an illegal invasion force. Once again that should be enough to hold the entire governmment in contempt. We have no jurisdiction if any foreign sovereign nation to act as a police force and should act accordingly instead of blindly following the US in their propagandist 'war on terror'.

Well, I believe we should uphold our international obligations, such as NATO. But I've long since stopped supporting the Afghan conflict.

It is unCanadian to be in Afghanistan in the first place, unless we are there to protect the people from the illegal invasion by the USA.

Rhetoric, will get you nowhere.

Our rights to transparent and accountable government within our sovereign nation trumps any multi-national agreement. Our government belongs to and works for the citizens of Canada not any foreign entity. Unless you want to have to answer to some other country on everything we do.

It has nothing to do with answering to another country, and unless there was a referendum I missed. Partisan opposition leaders, not the people, forced an unethical vote in Parliament.

I would actually see it as a positive if the rest of the world got the message we are our own nation and don't have to listen to anyone else no matter what some other country may think or want. Lastly I do not see how releasing documents to parliament, and not the press or public, would compromise national security.

Jack Layton.