**** walk..?

[Corduroy]

So you're ok with women walking around half naked and letting their junk hang out in public? At the very least think of the kids man. We're exposing our kids to a barrage of sexual visual stimulants at a very young age. And so the wheel keeps on turning. Oh, how I wish Hollywood would die a quick death! No wonder we're near the top in Petros' link to that poll.

Did you know that several times a day millions of children at a very young age all over the world are exposed to naked breasts and have nipples shoved into their mouths? As disgusting as that is to do to a child, consider that most of the time those breasts belong to their own mothers. This practice waned in popularity a few decades ago, but it's come back and there are many who still advocate that it's healthy!

Won't someone please think of the children!?

 

[gerryh]

It also doesn't change the fact that I care little about your opinion on the matter. that is why the question was asked of Karrie and not you. I'll be sure to ask your opinion if it ever concerns me.

IF that time ever comes, don't bother.

 

[Unforgiven]

I'm sorry if you think thats the angle I was implying.

So you're ok with women walking around half naked and letting their junk hang out in public? At the very least think of the kids man. We're exposing our kids to a barrage of sexual visual stimulants at a very young age. And so the wheel keeps on turning. Oh, how I wish Hollywood would die a quick death! No wonder we're near the top in Petros' link to that poll.

A pair of breasts never hurt anyone. What you're talking about is in every way a psychological reaction to the world about us. Could be shoes, legs, hair, lips, hips anything can become a sexual visual stimulant to someone. In areas of Africa and elsewhere, exposed breasts are no big thing. Many European beaches are topless and the children seem to be about as goofy as the ones over here.

Sorry your idea that a woman's body corrupts youth doesn't hold water. What does cause problems is the parent's reaction to their children's exposure to the human body. Puritan rubbish! Being honest and open to children as they begin to notice the differences in their body and those of the people around them helps to lead them to a balanced and healthy understanding and attitude about their own bodies.

 

[Cannuck]

IF that time ever comes, don't bother.

No problem then. Not that it should matter. You seem willing to thrust your opinion on me without me bothering to ask.

 

[gerryh]

A pair of breasts never hurt anyone. What you're talking about is in every way a psychological reaction to the world about us. Could be shoes, legs, hair, lips, hips anything can become a sexual visual stimulant to someone. In areas of Africa and elsewhere, exposed breasts are no big thing. Many European beaches are topless and the children seem to be about as goofy as the ones over here.

Sorry your idea that a woman's body corrupts youth doesn't hold water. What does cause problems is the parent's reaction to their children's exposure to the human body. Puritan rubbish! Being honest and open to children as they begin to notice the differences in their body and those of the people around them helps to lead them to a balanced and healthy understanding and attitude about their own bodies.

ahhhhhh, damn Unf, I was gonna have some fun with this one and you went and ruined it all. Party pooper.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Did you know that several times a day millions of children at a very young age all over the world are exposed to naked breasts and have nipples shoved into their mouths? As disgusting as that is to do to a child, consider that most of the time those breasts belong to their own mothers. This practice waned in popularity a few decades ago, but it's come back and there are many who still advocate that it's healthy!

Won't someone please think of the children!?

Pleeease tell me this is meant to be sarcastic and not serious.

 

[talloola]

Talloola I bet your ass is just fine. I'd love to see it in a burka...haha.

Yes it is just fine thank you, I look after myself, keep in shape and I'm proud of that, but if
if I wore a burka, I would just be a head and a bed spread hanging around my neck down to my feet,
no one would see anything but my face.

I know you're only kidding.

I think this thread is just referring to north american women, unless I'm misunderstanding, because
what other countries do is very different and has nothing to do with our culture and customs.

I know women wear burkas because the men do not want other men looking at their women, and to me that
is harrassment against women, and those women cannot decide what they want to wear at all, and can't
decide on much of anything to do with her own personal life, as opposed to north american women who
can decide on anything at all they want to do about their own appearance.

Many are mentioning what happens in other cultures, but really doesn't matter in this thread does it,
unless we want to travel around the world talking about other customs.

 

[gerryh]

Yes it is just fine thank you, I look after myself, keep in shape and I'm proud of that, but if
if I wore a burka, I would just be a head and a bed spread hanging around my neck down to my feet,
no one would see anything but my face.

I know you're only kidding.

I think this thread is just referring to north american women, unless I'm misunderstanding, because
what other countries do is very different and has nothing to do with our culture and customs.

I know women wear burkas because the men do not want other men looking at their women, and to me that
is harrassment against women, and those women cannot decide what they want to wear at all, and can't
decide on much of anything to do with her own personal life, as opposed to north american women who
can decide on anything at all they want to do about their own appearance.

Many are mentioning what happens in other cultures, but really doesn't matter in this thread does it,
unless we want to travel around the world talking about other customs.

If you look back through the thread, as a matter of fact if you look back to your own posts, you will find "suggestions" of what is and what is not "appropriate" attire. How a woman's "choice" of attire can be partially to blame for sexual harassment or worse. Basically, the same reasons given for why women in other society's are "forced" to wear what they wear. It is only a matter of degrees between what you and some others have said and what is happening elsewhere.

 

[talloola]

If you look back through the thread, as a matter of fact if you look back to your own posts, you will find "suggestions" of what is and what is not "appropriate" attire. How a woman's "choice" of attire can be partially to blame for sexual harassment or worse. Basically, the same reasons given for why women in other society's are "forced" to wear what they wear. It is only a matter of degrees between what you and some others have said and what is happening elsewhere.

the words 'partially' and the word 'degrees' are focal point.

please read my entire posts, not just pick out sentences like the media do, then use those sentences
to make a point.

I do say that a woman who dresses sl**ty is a stupid decision, I stand by that statement, and I also
said that men who take advantage of women in such dress are 'slime'.

I have no respect for woman who dress that way, I feel sympathy for them, and I think they miss the
boat when deciding what makes them look nice or not, and that is just my opinion, as I don't think
women should dress that way, also my opinion.

BUT there is no way I said that they are in any way responsible for being raped, not at all.

I have no facts of what type of woman are raped the most, or the least, it seems that women
are raped in all different areas of life, in all different types of clothing, etc. etc.

I do think that woman who dress like sl*ts degrade themselves, again, my opinion, when I see
woman who look like sl*ts I feel pity and sadness for them, as I feel they just 'don't get it',
also my opinion.

It just seemed to me kind of confusing to jump around the world saying what happens
to those woman in many different cultures, we can't really compare our culture to
what others do, we can't really say, because they do 'something' it means we should
do 'something', what our culture believes it right or wrong is just 'our' culture.
I DO NOT THINK ANY WOMAN, EVER DESERVES TO BE RAPED.

 

[JLM]

the words 'partially' and the word 'degrees' are focal point.

please read my entire posts, not just pick out sentences like the media do, then use those sentences
to make a point.

I do say that a woman who dresses sl**ty is a stupid decision, I stand by that statement, and I also
said that men who take advantage of women in such dress are 'slime'.

I have no respect for woman who dress that way, I feel sympathy for them, and I think they miss the
boat when deciding what makes them look nice or not, and that is just my opinion, as I don't think
women should dress that way, also my opinion.

BUT there is no way I said that they are in any way responsible for being raped, not at all.

I have no facts of what type of woman are raped the most, or the least, it seems that women
are raped in all different areas of life, in all different types of clothing, etc. etc.

I do think that woman who dress like sl*ts degrade themselves, again, my opinion, when I see
woman who look like sl*ts I feel pity and sadness for them, as I feel they just 'don't get it',
also my opinion.

I DO NOT THINK ANY WOMAN, EVER DESERVES TO BE RAPED.

I understand exactly what you are saying, Talloola (and agree) :smile:

 

[Corduroy]

If to dress "****ty" is to degrade oneself, from what to what is this degradation taking place?

 

[talloola]

If to dress "****ty" is to degrade oneself, from what to what is this degradation taking place?

that is for each individual to decide, depends what their opinion of '****ty' dress is, I pointed
that out in my last post, my opinion, my opinion, and it may not be yours, thats life.

 

[Corduroy]

Of course, I'm asking you for your opinion on that question.

 

[CDNBear]

No problem then. Not that it should matter. You seem willing to thrust your opinion on me without me bothering to ask.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[karrie]

So are you blaming the cop and the judge for giving the rapist an excuse? Aren't you doing the same thing you are condemning the cop and judge for?

No, I'm explaining that rapists will make excuses and find ways to justify it, no matter how much people try to tell women to 'just behave'.

I'll summarize this as easily as I can...

...this thread is full of healthy minded people stating what makes them think of sex. They're then trying to extrapolate that what makes them think of sex is also what causes rape. It's a flawed link. Women were being raped forty years ago when they dressed modestly, and rape will carry on being an issue even if women make sure their fashion statements don't leave their 'fuzz boxes' hanging out.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

I stand by my words. I'm not asking women to dress from head to toe in a burka. Nor am I asking women to wear puritanical garb from the dark ages. It's very simple really. Use common sense, dress appropriately when you're going out in public and let modesty rule the day.

Who gives a crap what goes on in other countries. Let's look at our own and ask ourselves why the rape statistics are so high in the west compared to other parts of the world. Never mind how liberating it makes you feel and how cool you think you are to parade around your home naked in front of your kids while you brag to your friends how 'in tune' you are with the world. New age rubbish!!

 

[#juan]

Not exactly empirical, but every woman I talked to, today. Was appalled that these women thought they spoke for all women.

Ya, we threw around the 'exhibitionist' idea too, lol.

Would it make me a bad man, if I said I kind of side with the Cop on this?

Not in the least. What I was dissappointed with was the rate at which the "chief" withdrew support from the constable.

 

[Cannuck]

...this thread is full of healthy minded people stating what makes them think of sex. They're then trying to extrapolate that what makes them think of sex is also what causes rape. It's a flawed link. Women were being raped forty years ago when they dressed modestly, and rape will carry on being an issue even if women make sure their fashion statements don't leave their 'fuzz boxes' hanging out.

It's may only be a flawed link if you look the entire picture of rape. Sure there are women that are raped by men in there lives (be it uncles cousins, fathers) and I don't think dress would have any bearing on that. There are many other situations where I believe that dress most definitely has no bearing. At this point in time, however, I have seen no evidence either way that dress does or doesn't play a role in random attacks. If the data showed that women wearing red were more likely to be randomly attacked, I would really like my daughters to be aware of this data. Unfortunately, I think political correctness precludes us from getting this data. You are a perfect example. I'm saying I don't know and would like the information. How can you possible disagree with getting information unless you have some sort of agenda.

 

[karrie]

It's may only be a flawed link if you look the entire picture of rape. Sure there are women that are raped by men in there lives (be it uncles cousins, fathers) and I don't think dress would have any bearing on that. There are many other situations where I believe that dress most definitely has no bearing. At this point in time, however, I have seen no evidence either way that dress does or doesn't play a role in random attacks. If the data showed that women wearing red were more likely to be randomly attacked, I would really like my daughters to be aware of this data. Unfortunately, I think political correctness precludes us from getting this data. You are a perfect example. I'm saying I don't know and would like the information. How can you possible disagree with getting information unless you have some sort of agenda.

If you want to try to collect data, by all means, go right ahead. But the reason you can't, is that it is completely unquantifiable, as I pointed out in the beginning. Modesty is a moving target. That's my biggest complaint with telling women to behave/dress in a modest fashion to protect themselves from rape. It's undefinable.

 

[Cannuck]

It's undefinable.

No it isn't. It would not be difficult to detail whether rape victims were wearing shorts, mini skirts, pants, etc. or whether vicitims had on jackets, sweaters, t ****s, halter tops. It would not be difficult to draw a line between the amount of skin showing and an increased chance of assault if there was indeed one.