U.N. Employees Beheaded Over Quran Burning

[EagleSmack]

A few quick responses before they drop the puck.

Canuck/Eagle
A few hundred, a couple of thousand even a few thousand, compared to the ordinance dropped indescrimintely on the country by the US coalition forces they must have had to form a big line and shoot til the ammo ran out to keep up. Your arguments are not believable or convincing and seem to stretch any logic to the extreme.

Indescriminately. A little biased? Nothing like showing your cards.

"The jury is still out" is an expression, a phrase meaning I am undecided as to the actual truth due to lack of absolute proof of anything. Glad I could help educate you both. I have already responded to this once, there was no jury or any comprehensive open investigation.

I am well aware what that expression means. Do tell us where the evidence has failed to convince you.

Please, we all await your version of events.

"The attack was launched from Afghanistan. Don't be so daft." - I believe the 4 planes took of from US airports, that would mean the attack was launched from the US.

Was the attack on Pearl Harbor planned in Hawaii?

What about the D-Day Invasion? Was it planned on the beaches of Normandy?

With that crazy logic... well heck... we didn't drop atomic bombs on Japan. A few of Pilots out of Saipan did that. Wasn't us.

Again... don't be so daft. All you are doing is making yourself look even more foolish.

 

[CDNBear]

Try reading a different article, one that cover that aspect, this is one of many but it should give you the general background.

How do you explain away the inconsistencies and contradictions in your two articles (for lack of a better term)?

 

[earth_as_one]

OK, I'll bite. What do your links have to do with my post?

Here is your quote in context:

Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick

The western forces have imposed a democratic election, even if it was a sham witha predetermined winner, which goes against their culture.​

Does it now? Lets see...70% voter turnout for Presidential elections in 2004 (despite threats of violence from the Taliban) and 60.9% voter turnout for the Canadian federal election that same year. That's a pretty odd stat (if one was to believe that voting was against the Afghani culture....but of course it isn't and you are just making **** up to defend your position. ....

Its not such an odd stat when ballot boxes are getting stuffed, people vote multiple times, the electorate includes dead people and children... The number of real voters was likely about the same as Canada, since voting in Afghanistan means risking your life... but we'll never know since the elections were FRAUDULENT!.

 

[Cannuck]

The number of real voters was likely about the same as Canada

The point of my post was that democracy does not go "against their culture". If the numbers are anywhere close to Canada's then I think my point is made. Thank you.

 

[MHz]

How do you explain away the inconsistencies and contradictions in your two articles (for lack of a better term)?

Two different authors.

 

[damngrumpy]

I can't believe the number of people who want to prove something that is not true,
simply to blame America for 9/11. Yes the conspirators were in the States for a
long time, and they did carry out the plan from inside America, and they came
from Saudi Arabia. We know that, but then they were instructed as to what to do
by Muslim Radicals from Afghanistan, and they were blood thirsty killers.
We did hammer Afghanistan and we had every right to do so.
Here is something I have been thinking about. Since they Muslims murdered the
UN workers, that makes it an afront to the international community. It is also an
act committed by followers of Islam. Therefore if they do not turn over the killers
the following should be ramped up to pressure these killers into submitting to
international law. One all aid, including to humanitarian aid, to Afghanistan and to
all Muslim countries including Gaza and the Palestinian Camps. All aid, that
means food, medical supplies, weapons of any kind, and it means water and
anything else that sustains life.
In addition, the Afghan government is kept in power by the support of western powers
that are really an army of occupation. Therefore, we should treat the Afghans as
occupied as a defeated people, and any further such activities will be responded to
in the same fashion we carried out in Europe at the end of WWII. That means
civilians who carry out such acts would be subject to searches and if found guilty,
could be shot. They seem to understand force, and aggressive responses so we
should give them a taste of their own medicine.
There are millions of moderate Muslims who are not a problem, and they are either
not strong enough to stand up to Sharia thugs, or they don't understand that we have
had enough. A demonstration of force and strong action would get the message
across. Face it sooner or later we will be in conflict with them anyway, it is coming
as sure as the sun comes up everyday. Remember we waited too long to put Mr.
Hitler in his place as well.

 

[petros]

After a lifetime of war there are a lot of crazies created and ****ty things happen.

 

[Colpy]

A few quick responses before they drop the puck.

Canuck/Eagle
A few hundred, a couple of thousand even a few thousand, compared to the ordinance dropped indescrimintely on the country by the US coalition forces they must have had to form a big line and shoot til the ammo ran out to keep up. Your arguments are not believable or convincing and seem to stretch any logic to the extreme.

"The jury is still out" is an expression, a phrase meaning I am undecided as to the actual truth due to lack of absolute proof of anything. Glad I could help educate you both. I have already responded to this once, there was no jury or any comprehensive open investigation.

"The attack was launched from Afghanistan. Don't be so daft." - I believe the 4 planes took of from US airports, that would mean the attack was launched from the US.

Canuck - I answered your direct question but all you can do is point to another thread to answer mine. A mildly inventive way to avoid answering directly but still avoidance. Feel free to keep it up as it only affects your credibility, not mine.

Lastly I will hijack the thread once more to refer to the Presidents Trophy winning Vancouver Canucks....who are on tv right now so I will see you all after they trash another lowly team from lowly Alberta.

You are now un-hijacked, please continue amongst yourselves.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(shakes head)

why do I bother?

....it matters not where the planes took off from: it matters not where the hijackers were born. ALL that matters is where their leaders were and how they were sheltered and aided by the Taliban.

And, BTW, I read of the RCR being in a hot hot gun battle, about 30 Canadians versus 200 Taliban......we lost 4 dead that day. They were refused artillery/air support because civilians were in the area.

Meanwhile the Taliban will happily kill 50 of their own with a suicide bomb to get a policeman.

Uh-huh...lovely fellows, those guys.

BTW, I certainly need no education from you....thank you so much.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Be nice if you had the SLIGHTEST idea what you are talking about. You don't.

Your opinion which is obviously biased by your drinking the government kool-aid for so long.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics

Afghanistan civilian casualties: year by year, month by month. Visualised data | News | guardian.co.uk

I choose the Guardian because it is anti-US, anti-coalition, anti-war, and basically shares your world view.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics
Hmm. the Guardian was relaying information provided by the UN who is completely unnbiased seeing how they are the aggressor here. A lot of Nazi's claim there was anywhere from 0 to less than 10,000 Jews killed in WW2 also.

9-11was planned and carried out by an organization headquartered in Afghanistan. That is a fact. I am so very sorry that it does not fit with your world view........

Some independant documented proof would be nice.

The jury is NOT still out on the WTC bombings.....CD is an impossibility, as I pointed out to you (look up the stats on the CD of the Hudson Dep't Store, one THIRD the height of one of the towers)...I have carefully researched it on a number of fronts, and the idea that it somehow was a CD carried out as a black ops operation is only believed by the weak-minded, as the truth torpedoes completely their weak-kneed, mushy, relativist world view. Unfortunately, it is impossible to convince these people of the truth, because then their entire house-of-cards belief system collapses faster than the two towers........

I suggest you research cd apart from the truther sites............it is informative. Oh, BTW, any idiot can see the towers collapsed from the top down....cd? Bottom up. And research the construction of the WTC.....it is the ONLY building using its unique central core system....around which it collapsed.......

The engineers who built the WTC state they designed it to withstand multiple impacts by a 707 influenced by a stray bomber hitting the Empire state building some time earlier. It is not the only building using the same 'core' design, the Windsor Tower in Madrid burned for over 18 hours and the comlplete core and most of the skeleton remained intact although some floors collapsed they did not take down the rest of the building. It is also quite amazing how all 3 buildings (1,2,7) all fell directly into their footprint, no lateral movement at all, which considering the strength of the core is almost impossible, just straight down through the path of greatest resistance at freefall speed. Also amazing is the finding of Atta's passport on the street a couple of blocks away and competely unharmed whilst they could not find even 1 black box, should make you stop and think, he was in the cockpit and the black-boxes are in the tail. Concrete was apparently vaporized but a paper book fell out of his pocket in the impact and floated safely out of the building through the fireball down to the ground. There is also the news report from BBC 23 minutes prior to the collapse of 7 stating it had already collapsed when it is plainly visible in the background.
Of course I am sure you have heard all this before and chose to dismiss it in favor of the government story and will dismiss it again without so much as a nanosecond of thought

And then the greatest stupidity of all. Yes, we are a democracy. Yes, the mass of the people choose our leaders. Yes, we are responsible for their decisions and their policies........look around at what is going on in the country right now.....it is called an election.

I'm sure glad you didn't say most of the people considering Harpo only got 30% of the vote last time round. A slight correction in your statement, we are responsible for sending them to Ottawa, they are responsible for what they do once there and have no legal resposibility to us as confirmed by at least 2 high courts in this country.

I have never seen ANYONE on this threads with your capacity to ignore simple facts simply because they don't support your view of the world.

Have you tried looking in the mirror? You can't even accept that our politicians can do as they please after the election without any recourse or consultation with the people. I suppose you think the corporate tax cuts are way better than cuts for you and me and it is a great use of our money to spend 10 years in Afghanistan chasing someone who isn't there and hasn't been there for at least 11 years.

I can't believe the number of people who want to prove something that is not true,
simply to blame America for 9/11.

Yeah cause america has never done anything even remotely wrong. They didn't falsify the Tonkin Gulf incident, they didn't bomb Laos and Cambodia, and they certainly didn't have plans to blow-up an airliner to justify invading Cuba. Thankfully Kennedy put a stop to this last one and look what happened to him, or was Oswald that smart and that good of a shot to do it alone. He must ahve got that good while he worked for the CIA.

...but then they were instructed as to what to do by Muslim Radicals from Afghanistan

You have as much proof of this as I have of the US conspiracy, in fact I probably have more. Dick Cheney clearly stated on the Tony Snow show, Mar 29/2006, they had never made the case or even tried to make the case Bin-Laden was directly involved in 9/11

We did hammer Afghanistan and we had every right to do so.

I guess that depends on your interpretation of rights. There is still no declaration of war which gives the legal right.

One all aid, including to humanitarian aid, to Afghanistan and to
all Muslim countries including Gaza and the Palestinian Camps. All aid, that
means food, medical supplies, weapons of any kind, and it means water and
anything else that sustains life.
In addition, the Afghan government is kept in power by the support of western powers
that are really an army of occupation. Therefore, we should treat the Afghans as
occupied as a defeated people, and any further such activities will be responded to
in the same fashion we carried out in Europe at the end of WWII. That means
civilians who carry out such acts would be subject to searches and if found guilty,
could be shot.

Great idea, cut off all food and water to the civillian population and shoot them for any reason. And we are supposed to be the good guys how?

Remember we waited too long to put Mr.Hitler in his place as well.

Remember Hitler was Time magazine's 'man of the year' twice prior to 1939. Remember how the US banks funded him in his rise to power.

 

[Cannuck]

The engineers who built the WTC state they designed it to withstand multiple impacts by a 707 ..... the Windsor Tower in Madrid burned for over 18 hours ....all fell directly into their footprint, no lateral movement at all, which considering the strength of the core is almost impossible, just straight down through the path of greatest resistance at freefall speed. .... Concrete was apparently vaporized but a paper book fell out of his pocket in the impact and floated safely out of the building through the fireball down to the ground.

I highlighted the parts that the conspiracy theorists made up.

Of course I am sure you have heard all this before and chose to dismiss it in favor of the government story and will dismiss it again without so much as a nanosecond of thought

I will dismiss it like I've done a hundred times because it is either made up or irrelevant. Nobody but conspiracy nutters have said concrete was vaporized.

I have an idea, why don't you shut off your computer and go and get a job. You need to start living in the real world.

Should I continue?

 

[CDNBear]

Two different authors.

I'm glad you can admit that. So which article do you believe then?

 

[EagleSmack]

The engineers who built the WTC state they designed it to withstand multiple impacts by a 707 influenced by a stray bomber hitting the Empire state building some time earlier. It is not the only building using the same 'core' design, the Windsor Tower in Madrid burned for over 18 hours and the comlplete core and most of the skeleton remained intact although some floors collapsed they did not take down the rest of the building. It is also quite amazing how all 3 buildings (1,2,7) all fell directly into their footprint, no lateral movement at all, which considering the strength of the core is almost impossible, just straight down through the path of greatest resistance at freefall speed. Also amazing is the finding of Atta's passport on the street a couple of blocks away and competely unharmed whilst they could not find even 1 black box, should make you stop and think, he was in the cockpit and the black-boxes are in the tail. Concrete was apparently vaporized but a paper book fell out of his pocket in the impact and floated safely out of the building through the fireball down to the ground. There is also the news report from BBC 23 minutes prior to the collapse of 7 stating it had already collapsed when it is plainly visible in the background.
Of course I am sure you have heard all this before and chose to dismiss it in favor of the government story and will dismiss it again without so much as a nanosecond of thought

LMAO!

He's a 9/11 Conspiracy nut job! Well, well Nicholas. We learn a little more about you each day.

An apologist, a Social Revolutionist, and now a 9/11 Conspiracy Buff.


So do tell us what happened on 9/11.

Remember Hitler was Time magazine's 'man of the year' twice prior to 1939. Remember how the US banks funded him in his rise to power.

It was the Joooooooos! The Jooooooos!

US Banks helped Hitler's rise to power... oh brother... someone needs to read a book and stay off conspiracy websites.

Do you ever check your facts? Hitler was Time mags person of the year once in 1938.


FAILED

 

[Fallout]

The way I see it, there's just not enough koran burning being done.
Allow me to explain.
If the burning of the muslim guide to wrecking havoc against all others was being done the world over, the over baked nuts among them wouldn't know who to target.
It being done by just some kook pastor in the States, allows those easily satan manipulated extremist haters a clearer path to rage vent their blood lust upon.

And btw, if anyone cares - they started it. :naynay naynaynay. ( ;

Bible Burning
Muslims burn bible - Google Search

 

[Colpy]

I'm sure glad you didn't say most of the people considering Harpo only got 30% of the vote last time round. A slight correction in your statement, we are responsible for sending them to Ottawa, they are responsible for what they do once there and have no legal resposibility to us as confirmed by at least 2 high courts in this country.




Remember Hitler was Time magazine's 'man of the year' twice prior to 1939. Remember how the US banks funded him in his rise to power.

I cut your post down to two items for reasons I will explain later:

As for our election in 2008, you are, as always, completely incorrect. The Conservatives did NOT get "only....30%", they got 37.6%, a full 11 points higher than their largest competitors, the Liberals....at 26.2%. That percentage only gave them a minority government.....you do know how that works don't you??? That means that any legislation, to be passed, requires the support of another party, bringing the vote in Parliament to over 50%.

It is called Democracy, and it works.

Now from Political Science 101 to History 101.

At which you flunk. Do yourself a favour..........don't try and pass off this crap on a man that has had a life-long passion for history, and actually bothered to get a degree in same.........and doesn't get his facts from whackedidiots.com.

As for the rest of your post, I suggest you consult the excellent debunking video posted below, and your psychiatrist.

I know, I know, if you admit you are wrong about 9-11, your whole belief system is ****ed......it falls down around your ears.

Well, time to start rebuilding.

 

[Corduroy]

If 9/11 was an inside job it would have to be the largest and most elaborate secret conspiracy in the history of the world. Yeah, it isn't beyond governments to fabricate enemy attacks to justify wars and restricting rights, but the more involved and complicated the conspiracy, the harder it will be to keep it a secret. The sheer complexity of a 9/11 conspiracy would involve thousands of people and so many fine tuned variables that if something went wrong the whole conspiracy would be blown. It would be an enormous risk for those involved and for what? Insurance fraud and an oil pipeline in Afghanistan?

Truthers like to throw out WTC 7 as proof of a controlled demolition. But considering how elaborate and ingenious the conspiracy would already have to be and the huge risks involved, the claimed obviousness of WTC 7 going down in a controlled demolition should stretch beyond even a truther's credulity. If the conspirators had planned on taking down WTC 1, 2 and 7 in a controlled demolition why did they not give WTC 7 a more controllable reason for its collapse? WTC 1 and 2 had planes flown into them. WTC 7 collapsed when the flaming debris from the towers caused catastrophic structural damage to it. But the conspirators could not have possibly been able to control whether or not WTC 7 would be damaged in that way. In all their genius in constructing this conspiracy, why would they allow for such uncertainty in the case of WTC 7 and increasing their risk of being caught that much? All this elaborate planning, every variable considered, the hijackers, the airlines, the military standing down, a hijacked plane to cover up for a missile launched at the Pentagon, the fourth plan superfluously going down to make it appear like the White House was a target, two planes flown into the WTC towers to cover up a controlled demolition and then absolutely nothing done to WTC 7 to cover it up except crossing their fingers and hoping debris would make it look like it collapsed.

Truthers and other conspiracy theories often insist that we keep an open mind. But to them keeping an open mind means closing your mind to evidence, logic and commonsense and believing anything.

 

[MHz]

If the conspirators had planned on taking down WTC 1, 2 and 7 in a controlled demolition why did they not give WTC 7 a more controllable reason for its collapse?

If the US is willing to put $50M up as part of the costs for the STL why not have that same 'independent body' do the same for 9/11 just to prove the official story is not just a story?

 

[PoliticalNick]

...don't try and pass off this crap on a man that has had a life-long passion for history, and actually bothered to get a degree in same.

Did you at any time consider a degree in a useful field like economics or science?

If the US is willing to put $50M up as part of the costs for the STL why not have that same 'independent body' do the same for 9/11 just to prove the official story is not just a story?

A true, independant, investigation would have been nice. Unfortunately all the evidence has been destroyed, much of it without examination so we are left to wonder.

 

[TenPenny]

Did you at any time consider a degree in a useful field like economics or science?

Economics is a 'useful' field?

 

[MHz]

A true, independant, investigation would have been nice. Unfortunately all the evidence has been destroyed, much of it without examination so we are left to wonder.

Then I guess all the witnesses will be giving testimony in a place similar to Gitmo. The people of Afghanistan and Iraq would welcome something that recended their Nations being invaded that is no stronger than their current story. Justice is never too late, trying to get justice when the ones in power are unjust is a daunting task, ignoring it may end up making the future a lot worse than it has to be.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Economics is a 'useful' field?

Considering how much affect it has on everybodies lives yes, far more useful than history.