U.N. Employees Beheaded Over Quran Burning
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Why not fly overr there and burn it right in front of them? If he was afraid of being injured then doing it somewhere where it could be captured and published is inviting the same thing he was personally afraid of. Apparently his fears were justified. Any Lawyers lining up to sue his Church in a wrongful death suit?
Even Jewish books will show about 650,000 just from Nov.'47 to May '48. They are still classified as refugees, you know the very people the UN said would never be allowed to 'be made' anywhere at anytime.
Your revision has been revised.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This all helps to explain the devastating effectiveness of the Jewish offensives of spring 1948. It also sheds new light on the context in which the mass departure of Palestinians took place. The exodus was divided into two broadly equal waves: one before and one after the decisive turning-point of the declaration of the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 and the intervention of the armies of the neighbouring Arab states on the following day. One can agree that the flight of thousands of well-to-do Palestinians during the first few weeks following the adoption of the UN partition plan - particularly from Haifa and Jaffa - was essentially voluntary. The question is what was the truth about the departures that happened subsequently?
In the opening pages of "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer: using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population (9). In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were EXPELLED by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or in fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army - particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, when the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.
By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities. "There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons)." ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with "severe punishment". As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.
The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined By the French newspaper Le Monde[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This all helps to explain the devastating effectiveness of the Jewish offensives of spring 1948. It also sheds new light on the context in which the mass departure of Palestinians took place. The exodus was divided into two broadly equal waves: one before and one after the decisive turning-point of the declaration of the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 and the intervention of the armies of the neighbouring Arab states on the following day. One can agree that the flight of thousands of well-to-do Palestinians during the first few weeks following the adoption of the UN partition plan - particularly from Haifa and Jaffa - was essentially voluntary. The question is what was the truth about the departures that happened subsequently?
In the opening pages of "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", Benny Morris offers the outlines of an overall answer: using a map that shows the 369 Arab towns and villages in Israel (within its 1949 borders), he lists, area by area, the reasons for the departure of the local population (9). In 45 cases he admits that he does not know. The inhabitants of the other 228 localities left under attack by Jewish troops, and in 41 cases they were EXPELLED by military force. In 90 other localities, the Palestinians were in a state of panic following the fall of a neighbouring town or village, or in fear of an enemy attack, or because of rumours circulated by the Jewish army - particularly after the 9 April 1948 massacre of 250 inhabitants of Deir Yassin, when the news of the killings swept the country like wildfire.
By contrast, he found only six cases of departures at the instigation of local Arab authorities. "There is no evidence to show that the Arab states and the AHC wanted a mass exodus or issued blanket orders or appeals to the Palestinians to flee their homes (though in certain areas the inhabitants of specific villages were ordered by Arab commanders or the AHC to leave, mainly for strategic reasons)." ("The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem", p. 129). On the contrary, anyone who fled was actually threatened with "severe punishment". As for the broadcasts by Arab radio stations allegedly calling on people to flee, a detailed listening to recordings of their programmes of that period shows that the claims were invented for pure propaganda.
The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined By the French newspaper Le Monde[/FONT]
Of course I would if that is what they were doing. To suggest that that is what has been occurring in Afghanistan is ridiculous. We aren't bombing towns everywhere. We aren't telling them the Quran is a demonic text. We aren't telling them their way of life is wrong and we aren't telling them they have to live by our morals. If somebody has told you that, they were lying.
We're not tellin them their way of life is wrong? You sure about that? I was under the impression that was the whole point of the exercise.
Pray tell us, why are we in Afghanistan, then.
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They were living their "way of life" without being invaded. The question really is though, exactly what is their "way of life"? Within hours of the fall of the Taliban government, music could be heard on the streets of Kabul. I doubt any of these beheaders carries a ghetto blaster with them. I guess I, unlike you, don't lump every Afghani citizen together. The country is far too divided to have a unified "way of life".
Are you implying that all the jews from europe had just recently been chased of the lands that were parts of Syria and Trans-Jordan.
Most of the Jews in Israel today are of European descent. Which is far different from the Sephartic Jews who can actually claim the lands of the 12 tribes as their ancient home.
Of course, if we want to discuss claiming ancient homelands I can trace my lineage back to the nobility in France prior to the revolution so I should then be able to claim back the 15000 acre estate that belonged to my forefathers.
Good luck with that. Haudenosaunee Nation, has been in a legal battle over stolen land, since the mid 90's.
Probably the way some Canadians see the imposing of democracy, women's rights, and so on. Preston Manning was one of the few true democrats on the Canadian scene in the last 40 years or so and his ideas never caught on.
People that have power want control. People that don't have power want freedom.
And if someone tells you that is not what is going on they are lying.
The western forces have imposed a democratic election, even if it was a sham witha predetermined winner, which goes against their culture.
The Afghani society accepted that girls should go to school....the west said they should be allowed and made it so.
The Afghani culture was for women to be covered in public...the west said no and encouraged women to remove their burkas.
Afghani culture allows the men to beat their women.....the west is ending this.
An Afghani that continues to promote the above ideals is harrased and punished and can even be killed by westerners for standing up to them on these principles.
Now I do not agree with the actions or accepted cultural standards but I am not arrogant enough to believe I have a right, let alone an obligation, to go into their country and use military force to make them change their historical culture either.
It is entirely up to the Afghans to change their society if they choose or not change it if they choose.
So don't tell me the west is not over their trying to forcibly impose our morals and culture on other countries and people. It is being done in Afghanistan and it is being done in Iraq and will probably be done in many more places in the future.
Lets just say I'm not making any plans to go to France in this lifetime....LOL
Of course were living 'their way of life' without being invaded, what way of life would they have been living? Urban New Yorkers?
As far as the beheaders carrying ghetto blasters or not, I think you need to do some research. If you investigated the reality of Afghanistan, you might be surprised at how flexible these people are. Fighting on one side one day, another side the next, and never telling the truth to a foreigner unless it suits the circumstances. Afghanistan is a society that has been at war for 30 years, and it's a mistake for any westerner to think they're making any real changes. Smile, nod, and try to get the western / UN people to give you money. Then carry on as before.
Good.
You bunch of idiots would not let western civilization last 6 months......or maybe you would, it might take you that long to find people to surrender to.
We were attacked by a group based in Afghanistan, sorry, I can't do anything about your psychotic delusion that 9-11 was a black op.
We are in Afghanistan to prevent it from being used as a safe haven and training base for Islamic groups that have, and will attack us. Everything else we do for the benefit of the people there, in an attempt to bring them into the 21st century...on our side. Because that would be to our benefit.....and theirs.....
And yes, because we are the good guys.
The alternative is to abandon them to medieval maniacs, and bomb the hell out of them, without regard for loss of life, if they even pretend to harbour our enemies.........
Pick one.
Political Nick would have the politics and foreign relations of western nations determined by the nuttiest imam you could find.
That is impossible to do, bring them onto our side. Especially with our current tactics. The west is an outsider, will always be seen as an outsider, the enemy, someone to take whatever money/rebuilding/arms you can from, then turf out in a few years.
And your 'bring them into the 21st century' comment suggests that we are, in fact, telling them their way of life is wrong.
If you have not done so, I encourage you to read 'The Forever War' by Filkin. The whole Afghanistan exercise is a complete waste of humanity, as is the current escapade in Iraq.
Does it now? Lets see...70% voter turnout for Presidential elections in 2004 (despite threats of violence from the Taliban) and 60.9% voter turnout for the Canadian federal election that same year. That's a pretty odd stat (if one was to believe that voting was against the Afghani culture....but of course it isn't and you are just making **** up to defend your position.
You are confusing Taliban rule and Sharia law with Afghan culture. As I said, within hours of the fall of the Taliban, there was music playing in the streets (a crime punishable by death under the Taliban. Women were seen uncovered (before the west said it was OK).
Which is exactly what they are doing. Isn't freedom a wonderful thing.
The west is not over their trying to forcibly impose our morals and culture on other countries and people.
I spoke with President Sarkozy just now and I can't begin to tell you how grateful he is.