Obama - What is your opinion so far on his Presidency

EagleSmack

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Because Republicans support the Democrat-led intervention in Libya, but you're telling me that these same Republicans are now actually liberal democrats? Colpy, Durry and YJ are liberal-democrats?

I find that hard to believe.

Really? The whole Republican Party supports this? Colpy and YJ aren't even American! How can they be Republican if they are Canadian? Heck I am American and I'm not even a Republican. I am not sure where Durry is from.
 

mentalfloss

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Even Obama has to get something right.....once in a while....better late than never....

Well, he's done a lot to appease the conservative side one could say. Gitmo, Afghanistan, Libya. He's really trying to earn their vote.

Really? The whole Republican Party supports this? Colpy and YJ aren't even American! How can they be Republican if they are Canadian? Heck I am American and I'm not even a Republican. I am not sure where Durry is from.

Well they can definitely strike me as Republican-types even though they are Canadian.
 

EagleSmack

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Well, he's done a lot to appease the conservative side one could say. Gitmo, Afghanistan, Libya. He's really trying to earn their vote.

Gitmo is appeasement? It is an outright lie that he has not closed it.

Believe me, bombing Libya's brains out and keeping Gitmo open is not appeasement.

Well they can definitely strike me as Republican-types even though they are Canadian.

That is somewhat irrelavent though.
 

EagleSmack

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Isn't that what Republicans want though? I'm pretty sure most republicans would vote yes to both if polled.

I would take that bet. You don't have your ear to the US Political scene if you think the Republicans are supporting this. Heck, a lot of the Democrats aren't supporting this.

As far as GITMO is concerned, yes they supported it. Now it is a laugh that Obama still has not closed it after promising he would.
 

mentalfloss

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I would take that bet. You don't have your ear to the US Political scene if you think the Republicans are supporting this. Heck, a lot of the Democrats aren't supporting this.

Really? I would have thought otherwise, but I'll take your word for it.

As far as GITMO is concerned, yes they supported it. Now it is a laugh that Obama still has not closed it after promising he would.

That's another thing that really needs to get more attention. The way the issue is just brushed off in such a cavalier manner pisses me off. I understand that this isn't simply a U.S. issue, as other nations are holding prisoners of their state in Gitmo because they don't want shipped back to their home countries.. but where the hell is the transparency in this government? And why aren't journalists prying for more info??
 

EagleSmack

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Really? I would have thought otherwise, but I'll take your word for it.

You see there is a little disconnect between Canada and the US now. Harper is Conservative and has got Canada involved in this. Naturally the Canadian Liberals would object. Obama is a Liberal Democrat and has got the US involved. So naturally the Conservative Republicans are objecting.



That's another thing that really needs to get more attention. The way the issue is just brushed off in such a cavalier manner pisses me off. I understand that this isn't simply a U.S. issue, because other nations are holding prisoners of their state in Gitmo because they don't want them themselves.. but where the hell is the transparency in this government? And why aren't journalists prying for more info??

Need you ask? Journalist for the most part are liberals. They aren't going to challenge Obama. It WAS a HUGE issue during the campaign for Obama and the liberals. Now that he has not closed GITMO it is better to let sleeping dogs lie. The Left has given up closing GITMO. I personally think they should be sent to a SUPERMAX in the US.
 

ironsides

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What were you there, prove Lincoln never said it. Lincoln said "The way for a young man to rise is to improve himself every way he
can, never suspecting that any body wishes to hinder him. Allow me to
assure you that suspicion and jealousy never did help any man in any situation. There may sometimes be ungenerous attempts to keep a young man down; and they will succeed too, if he allows his mind to be diverted from its true channel to brood over the attempted injury.
Cast about and see if this feeling has not injured every person you
have ever known to fall into it."
The other was just a updated translation.


What about the richest cities like SF, SJ and Seattle.

Who is talking about the richest, this is about the poorest.

 

BaalsTears

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Fail!

...What about the richest cities like SF, SJ and Seattle.

Like a horse with blinders on ironside leads the charge for fat cats.

SF, SJ and Seattle have populations composed primarily of whites and Asians. SJ has a significant Mexican population which is being pushed out by Vietnamese. My daughter in law is from the SJ Viet community.

Cultural characteristics matter. Groups that don't actively embrace the desire for educational excellence, family cohesion and hard work won't be as successful as groups that do embrace each of these characteristics.

Because of cultural characteristics, some groups are winners and some groups are losers. It is what it is.
 

coldstream

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The U.S. has not had a truly competent President in over 40 years. The last President who had a clue about how economies really work was Lyndon Johnson, and he destroyed his Presidency with the futile and bloody Cold War gesture of Vietnam. Since then, on both the right and left, it has been a litany of mediocrity.

The chief executives since then have all been petty ideologues, beholden to new age agendas in society and economy. The U.S. has seen its place in the world in precipitous decline and now faces major economic and societal crises. So Obama is just one in a long list of people who are well beyond their level of competence.. not only unable to provide solutions, but unable to discern the problem.

If you subscribe to the 'Great Man' theory of history, it will take a cataclysmic failure of the current paradigm before someone will be able to rise above the political bickering and define a clear vision and path for the future. The last time that happened in America was with FDR, tackling the Great Depression and rampant fascism.
 

ironsides

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Lyndon Johnson was the best President since FDR and Truman. Most forget how he put Europe in its place with what was called the "Chicken War", it is a policy presidents after him are to chicken to do. :p In fact it should be used to help today's problems. When countries threaten us with tariffs on various items or resources, we should just impose a 25+% tax on our exports to them. (especially grains and food). Johnson probably be best remembered for what he did for civil rights. We could use someone like him now.