Security Council accepts No Fly Zone

PoliticalNick

The Troll Bashing Troll
Mar 8, 2011
7,940
0
36
Edson, AB
So who sold this guy arms in the first place?

Why that would be the US and France....

You can all say its 'conspiracy theory' but this is entirely about securing oil. Iraq was about securing oil and the profit from it. Protecting Kuwait in 91 was about oil and oil profit. Humanitarian issues are a cover story, if they actually meant anything there would be intervention all over Africa not just in the cherry picked oil producing nations.

Remember the whole WMD and humanitarian reasons for Iraq, turns out one was completely false and the other was highly exagerrated. Yet since the invasion Haliburton ( Dick Cheney's former and present company) has generated over $1 trillion in revenue out of Iraq. Shell oil (Condaleeza Rice's old company) has shown over $300 billion in profit form Iraqi oil fields. The Carlyle Group (Bush 1 & Bush 2) has profited over $100 billion from their defence contracts.

Its very hard to look at history like this and the lack of intervention in other areas (Congo, Ivory Coast, Somalia) and not be very skeptical of governmental motives. The french are the biggest proponents of the present Lybian situation and miraculously its not even noticed or mentioned that Gadafhi cut them of from Lybian oil last year. Like I said, hard not to be a skeptic.
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
I can't really answer you without knowing that this "they" you are referring to means.

All the countries that have this crap going on. Why aren't we ripping through Somalia and sinking every pirate boat we find? Why aren't we Pearl Harboring the Somali pirates?

Unfortunately, that's true. We can't stop every humanitarian disaster. What can we do about North Korea? Not much. But could we have prevented Darfur? Hell yes, and we should have.

Right. So why Libya?

"We can't stop every humanitarian disaster"

then...

"But could we have prevented Dafur? Hell yes and we should have."

Which is it? Who is going to do it every time? The US isn't.

That is why there is an isolationist conservative movement here in the US that is growing stronger. Although I did not vote for Obama, I was glad he was going to get us out of Iraq and end that one. He didn't and added one more.
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
28,979
10,947
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
So who sold this guy arms in the first place?
If I recall correctly the former Soviet union, after Reagan bombed libya sent expert to find out why their kit did not work. So mostly russian. Not all, the French sold him some aircraft. I am unsure about the US though.
Why that would be the US and France....


Has anyone tried Googling "Libyan military equipment" (???) to see what
they're actually equipped with? Just curious.

 

Corduroy

Senate Member
Feb 9, 2011
6,670
2
36
Vancouver, BC
Right. So why Libya?

I think I've already said why, haven't I?

"We can't stop every humanitarian disaster"

then...

"But could we have prevented Dafur? Hell yes and we should have."

Which is it?

Are you saying there's a contradiction between those two statements? I'll make it clearer: we don't have the ability to stop every humanitarian disaster but we had the ability to stop Darfur.
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
I think I've already said why, haven't I?



Are you saying there's a contradiction between those two statements? I'll make it clearer: we don't have the ability to stop every humanitarian disaster but we had the ability to stop Darfur.

Yes you did, but it was a question in general. Why Libya and not another? Who chose that place of all the others? How did they come to bomb the brains out of Libya and let other human disasters continue.

I'd say we have the ability to stop a lot of these disasters but only a few countries are will to send their people in harm's way. Look at Afghanistan. It is a NATO Operation and the US, Britain, and Canada are shouldering the weight and have been for 10 years. Germany probably has an army twice the size of Canada's and Canada is deep in the shiatsooo.
 

Corduroy

Senate Member
Feb 9, 2011
6,670
2
36
Vancouver, BC
Yes you did, but it was a question in general. Why Libya and not another? Who chose that place of all the others? How did they come to bomb the brains out of Libya and let other human disasters continue.

So since I answered that even before you asked, then you want someone else to answer it? OK.
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
My question is Obama wants Qaddafi out - along with other leaders wnating him out - so when do they start training and arming the rebels - next will be small teams that can direct, pinpoint targets, fewer civilians are killed -injured - but you still need the boots on the ground - they still need the guy on the ground with the laser. When will we see that.

Or will the Arab league offer him political asylum?

Where will Qaddafi go if he is thrown out? (good question) The Arab League are the ones who wanted him thrown out, maybe the Congo or one of the other African states that he was friends with.
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
28,979
10,947
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
Where will Qaddafi go if he is thrown out? (good question) The Arab League are the ones who wanted him thrown out, maybe the Congo or one of the other African states that he was friends with.


Uhm...if you where some Dictator in an African nation, would you want someone
like Qaddafi in your country with his money and thirst for power as a potential
competition to your own territory & power-base that you've scratched out,
even if you play "buddies" with him on the World stage?
 

EagleSmack

Hall of Fame Member
Feb 16, 2005
44,168
96
48
USA
Uhm...if you where some Dictator in an African nation, would you want someone
like Qaddafi in your country with his money and thirst for power as a potential
competition to your own territory & power-base that you've scratched out,
even if you play "buddies" with him on the World stage?

He's friends with Chavez. Maybe he can spend his twilight years in Venezuela.

Then again... Gadaffi may be a little bit trickier to toss out. He's not sitting back and waiting to lose. His troops are still pushing in some areas as well as getting pushed back in others.
 

DaSleeper

Trolling Hypocrites
May 27, 2007
33,676
1,666
113
Northern Ontario,
Uhm...if you where some Dictator in an African nation, would you want someone
like Qaddafi in your country with his money and thirst for power as a potential
competition to your own territory & power-base that you've scratched out,
even if you play "buddies" with him on the World stage?

I hear that Louis Farrakhan has a spare bedroom for him in his basement:lol:

Dig the silly grin on the first face you see on the video;-)

YouTube - Farrakhan Warns, Advises Obama on Libya
 
Last edited:

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
117,183
14,241
113
Low Earth Orbit
He's friends with Chavez. Maybe he can spend his twilight years in Venezuela.

Then again... Gadaffi may be a little bit trickier to toss out. He's not sitting back and waiting to lose. His troops are still pushing in some areas as well as getting pushed back in others.
He is friends with the EU head too.

 

Goober

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 23, 2009
24,691
116
63
Moving
Where will Qaddafi go if he is thrown out? (good question) The Arab League are the ones who wanted him thrown out, maybe the Congo or one of the other African states that he was friends with.
My guess - Saudi - Negotiated exit - No trials or ICC hunting him. Would save a lot of lives.
 

ironsides

Executive Branch Member
Feb 13, 2009
8,583
60
48
United States
He is a survivor, I think he will find roots somewhere on the African continent. one thing we all seem to agree about is that he will survive this somehow.
 

BaalsTears

Senate Member
Jan 25, 2011
5,732
0
36
Santa Cruz, California
...One of my biggest problems with the United Nations is that it legitimizes and protects oppressive dictatorships. I think this is a problem conservative isolationists have too, yes?...

Foreign autocrats and the oppression of their peoples is not an issue for American conservative isolationists because it is none of our business. Our business is at home period.