Are you all ready to start paying about $15 for a Big Mac?

captain morgan

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...yet some employers would pay a ten bucks a day to someone busting his balls if they could get away with it.


You make it sound as if employees have a gun to their head... No one has to settle for minimum wage permanently. If an individual is unwilling to bring some value to the table, then they are saddled with having to accept what the market offers.
 

#juan

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I would make the minimum wage non existant, for about a dozen reasons. Very seldom is there is there two people employed at doing the same thing who are worth equal amounts. I personally think any normal able bodied person who performs manual labout should be paid $15- $20 an hour. Basically a person is worth what the traffic will bear. I certainly don't believe a person who is sitting at a desk answering a phone 3 times an hour, is worth the same amount as someone breaking his balls.

This person answering the phone.........do you mean the receptionist? In a lot of small businesses the receptionist/secretary/bookkeeper
pretty well runs the company.
 

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This person answering the phone.........do you mean the receptionist? In a lot of small businesses the receptionist/secretary/bookkeeper
pretty well runs the company.

Yeah, in many of the places I've been, the person answering the phone does an awful lot of things...in my present place, whoever hears the phone ring answers it, engineers, the president, the accountant, whoever. It's a lean operation, and we do what we have to.
 

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Yeah, in many of the places I've been, the person answering the phone does an awful lot of things...in my present place, whoever hears the phone ring answers it, engineers, the president, the accountant, whoever. It's a lean operation, and we do what we have to.

Doesn't everybody hear the phone or does it have a special ring that only people with dog-like hearing can hear?
 

karrie

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When two of them are kids????????????




Oooooooooooooh Oooooooooooooh Karrie- Normally you make sense. Their ability (or not) to earn a living is something already long established by the employee. Consumers don't concern themselves with employee's wages. They go to where they can get the best product for the cheapest price whether it be a "Big Mac", a "Fat Wendy" or a "Gross Burger King". A "fair" minimum wage is a nebulous concept anyway, differs widely from one situation to another. The job could entail putting together 100 Big Macs an hour or could be answering the bosses phone 3 times an hour............so it's not up to you and me to dedide what a fair wage is. If you feel sorry for them there's nothing preventing you from tipping.

Actually, it is up to the government to decide what basic cost of living is, what level of minimum wage meets that basic cost, and adjust accordingly. My desire for cheap food shouldn't factor in to what minimum wage ought to fairly be. And when's the last time you were able to tip a fry cook?
 

JLM

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This person answering the phone.........do you mean the receptionist? In a lot of small businesses the receptionist/secretary/bookkeeper
pretty well runs the company.

There you've just summed it up in a nutshell #Juan. It can cover the whole spectrum. One of the biggest problems with raising the minimum wage that most people seem to miss is that the new $10+ an hour won't buy what the old $8 used to. Watch rents get jacked up.

Actually, it is up to the government to decide what basic cost of living is, what level of minimum wage meets that basic cost, and adjust accordingly. My desire for cheap food shouldn't factor in to what minimum wage ought to fairly be. And when's the last time you were able to tip a fry cook?

You really think Gov't should be dictating how business is run?????????????? What's wrong with sticking some money in an envelop and writing "Fry cook" on the outside?
 

TenPenny

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The only reason that gov'ts determine the basic cost of living is that they calculate it - they don't make it so, they just calculate the number. Slightly different meanings to the word 'determine'.
 

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I heard they shut down because they couldn't find people to work. I don't know for sure. It's just a rumour I heard
hard to find a place to rent - then the rents for a one room in an apartment or house are last i heard about 1500- 2 k a month for 1 room. So approx 150 -175 hrs to work just to pay the rent.
 

JLM

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The only reason that gov'ts determine the basic cost of living is that they calculate it - they don't make it so, they just calculate the number. Slightly different meanings to the word 'determine'.

The more I think about this whole proposition the scarier it gets. First of all a good percentage of the raise will be eaten up with income tax, E.I. Premiums, Canada Pension Premiums and other work related expenses.............so that parts all gone before you even see the cheque. Next comes the 12% on virtually most of the $2.25 minus groceries. This whole charade has been very poorly thought out. The first thing she should have done before trying to be a hero was freeze rents.
 

#juan

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The more I think about this whole proposition the scarier it gets. First of all a good percentage of the raise will be eaten up with income tax, E.I. Premiums, Canada Pension Premiums and other work related expenses.............so that parts all gone before you even see the cheque. Next comes the 12% on virtually most of the $2.25 minus groceries. This whole charade has been very poorly thought out. The first thing she should have done before trying to be a hero was freeze rents.

JLM the minimum wage had to go up. In B.C. we were the lowest in the country. The rents have to go up because that is what they do.
$10.25 x 7.5 x 5 = about $385 dollars a week or about $ 1540.00 per month. That will cover somebody's rent for a month but it won't
feed a person and support a small family and pay the hydro. The minimum wage has got to go up.
 

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That only works if the cost of the burgers to the store is 0.

That is about their true value and by sheer coincidence that is also their nutritional value.

About the only people that deserve to work for minimum wage are government employees. And one of my labourers but he is the owners son so maybe he doesn't get paid at al which is about his worth.
 

JLM

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That is about their true value and by sheer coincidence that is also their nutritional value.

About the only people that deserve to work for minimum wage are government employees. And one of my labourers but he is the owners son so maybe he doesn't get paid at al which is about his worth.

I think you are partly right- SOME government employees- I worked for Government and there was a big difference between different Ministries or even different branches of a Ministry. The outside crews away from H.Q. were generally better than the paper shufflers at H.Q. Most Highways and Forestry workers earned their keep.
 

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''four Big Macs per hour to pay for one employee''

That's not an actual problem as they sell thousands per hour and millions every year. The problem is, why would anyone eat that fattening and grisly caca.
 

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''four Big Macs per hour to pay for one employee''

That's not an actual problem as they sell thousands per hour and millions every year. The problem is, why would anyone eat that fattening and grisly caca.

Actually if the truth be known the food is probably statistically safer than one bought out of a random "Bill's Grill".
 

#juan

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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier
Big Macs are made out of animal lips.


No they are not. McDonalds use the same beef paddies that all the other burger places use. I don't like Big Macs

but it has nothing to do with the beef they use. I prefer a burger that is cooked after you order it.

 

gopher

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''Actually if the truth be known the food is probably statistically safer than one bought out of a random "Bill's Grill".

That could well be true. That's why I'm glad I took up cooking a long time ago. It remains my favorite hobby to this day. :)
 

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I would make the minimum wage non existant, for about a dozen reasons. Very seldom is there is there two people employed at doing the same thing who are worth equal amounts. I personally think any normal able bodied person who performs manual labout should be paid $15- $20 an hour. Basically a person is worth what the traffic will bear. I certainly don't believe a person who is sitting at a desk answering a phone 3 times an hour, is worth the same amount as someone breaking his balls.

non existent? what would that mean, how would a person who is 'desperate' for work just to buy a loaf
of bread and some milk, and try to pay rent, manage to convincre the employer to pay him/her enough
to do that, many employers would be thoughtless and couldn't care less about anyone but themselves,
so the worker needs 'something' to lean on so that 'life' attempts to be fair.

I know unions are hated in this day and age, but for the reason I just gave, they were necessary for
a worker to get a fair shake, or the owners/employers would still be paying slave wages and working
their employers 12 to 14 hours a day with no benefits and also could fire the employee for 'nothing',
to give the job to a relative or friend, on a wim, and the worker would have had nothing to
protect him/her from that fate.

and yes, answering a phone is only part of that particular job, and has nothing to do with busting,
well, anything.

Any employer worth his salt will make sure a position contains a variety of duties, including answering
the phone, if that is the nature of the job, I did reception work a few times, and had many other
responsibilites as well, 'busted a finger nail now and then', lol.