These spiritual observations disprove the opinion of the atheist in fact about the afterlife and the spirit world. Such observations have been seen by a large number of people including the atheists themselves, and their trying to ascribe such observations to illusions is not realistic, but they escape from admitting the truth about such observations because that will demolish all their atheistic and materialistic claims.
Some spiritual observations
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The universal conscience (mind) is energy. Mind (energy) over matter (materialized energy). The universe is coherent otherwise it would fall apart in an instant.
In my opinion that's it in a tight little knot EA. The inescapable truth. Us humans like to put clothes on God too much I think but the invisable does need a sheet thrown over it to take shape maybe and help us to see the substance maybe. I used to believe I was an atheist then I started to think. God was shocking.
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Eanassir: I think you are wasting precious time trying to convert people here..Like I told a Jehova Witness once.....People will believe when they want to.
Sa for atheists...while they say that their's is not a religion, as you can see here, they feel they must proclaim their disbelief to the four corners of the earth ..... note: (figure of speech because this is a forum and people like to nit pick);-)
The trip of Abbas Al-Abdali in the world of souls
A man named Abbas Al-Abdali, who was dwelling at Asshar quarter in Basra in the southern part of Iraq, once became ill and was about to die; he fainted, and his ethereal soul got out of his body, at night time; his soul made a tour, then returned back to his body.
Afterwards, he restored his health, and arranged a poem in Arabic, in which he told his story and his incidence. That was in the year 1325 A.H. [or 1907 AD. The poem is written in the Arabic edition of the book, and is composed of 42 poetic verses.]
In this poem he simulated the departure of his soul out of his body like a sword being drawn out of its sheath.
He saw some of his living friends sitting at the coffee shop; he saw some women washing their dishes at the river side (at that time there was no water pipes conveying the water to houses as is the case nowadays.] He also saw a man in a boat floating on the river water ...etc.
Then he regained his consciousness and went to verify his observations to find all that true as had he seen in his spiritual trip.
A story of fainting (2)
I am not trying to convert anyone here; I know they are God's enemy. My purpose is only to convey such information to anyone that may read, and they will have their reward with their Lord.
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Poetry found on the grave of Omar Sahrawardy
He said he is not dead; but rather he was sleeping then he awoke.
He simulated the departure of his soul from his body like a sparrow leaving his cage and becoming free.
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A man named Abbas Al-Abdali, who was dwelling at Asshar quarter in Basra in the southern part of Iraq, once became ill and was about to die; he fainted, and his ethereal soul got out of his body, at night time; his soul made a tour, then returned back to his body.
Afterwards, he restored his health, and arranged a poem in Arabic, in which he told his story and his incidence. That was in the year 1325 A.H. [or 1907 AD. The poem is written in the Arabic edition of the book, and is composed of 42 poetic verses.]
In this poem he simulated the departure of his soul out of his body like a sword being drawn out of its sheath.
He saw some of his living friends sitting at the coffee shop; he saw some women washing their dishes at the river side (at that time there was no water pipes conveying the water to houses as is the case nowadays.] He also saw a man in a boat floating on the river water ...etc.
Then he regained his consciousness and went to verify his observations to find all that true as had he seen in his spiritual trip.
A story of fainting (2)
I am not trying to convert anyone here; I know they are God's enemy. My purpose is only to convey such information to anyone that may read, and they will have their reward with their Lord.
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Poetry found on the grave of Omar Sahrawardy
He said he is not dead; but rather he was sleeping then he awoke.
He simulated the departure of his soul from his body like a sparrow leaving his cage and becoming free.
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You know, last night I had a dream... I mean vision, that I was at the Forbidden City in Beijing and the Pope drove by in his Pope-mobile. Sure, atheists can deny it, but I know what I saw. It was a revelation from God that Maoist Catholicism is the one true faith.. or to use more MSG on my eggs benedict. I tried the latter and it was delicious. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
A nice tale of Abu Abd-Allah
I asked him: "Did you ever see any of the genie?"
He said: When I was child,,we resided at Kerbala city,and I could speak Persian.
Once, I together with my cousin Abbas saw a black woman sitting at the street side; she held something like a baby in her lap, and she looked to us with rolling and gazing eyes.
We came near to her, and she farted: (passed wind with sound), and we - children - said to her laughing: "You have farted!" We said that in Persian and we laughed.
Then we saw her having hoofs instead of feet; we cried:"She is a genie!" And we ran away.
So she rained on us a shower of stones; then he said: "From where did she bring all those stones; I don't know!"
Second: He said: When I was at Mosul city, I once walked by the river bank at night, and I saw a sheikh walking there and there was a lantern floating over the ground as if someone carried it in front of the sheikh, but I could not see anyone to hold that lantern.
I asked about that sheikh, and they answered me: "He subjects the genie"
It means: there was an invisible genie carrying that lantern before the sheikh to lighten the way before him.
I asked him: "Did you ever see any of the genie?"
He said: When I was child,,we resided at Kerbala city,and I could speak Persian.
Once, I together with my cousin Abbas saw a black woman sitting at the street side; she held something like a baby in her lap, and she looked to us with rolling and gazing eyes.
We came near to her, and she farted: (passed wind with sound), and we - children - said to her laughing: "You have farted!" We said that in Persian and we laughed.
Then we saw her having hoofs instead of feet; we cried:"She is a genie!" And we ran away.
So she rained on us a shower of stones; then he said: "From where did she bring all those stones; I don't know!"
Second: He said: When I was at Mosul city, I once walked by the river bank at night, and I saw a sheikh walking there and there was a lantern floating over the ground as if someone carried it in front of the sheikh, but I could not see anyone to hold that lantern.
I asked about that sheikh, and they answered me: "He subjects the genie"
It means: there was an invisible genie carrying that lantern before the sheikh to lighten the way before him.
Why do I get the feeling you'd like to suppress expressions of disbelief? Most of the disbelief expressed here is in response to people flogging a particular religious viewpoint, if they didn't bring it up challenges to it wouldn't come up much either. People who don't want their claims challenged shouldn't talk about them in public.
Dexter: While I will bow to your knowledge of scientific stuff...but.....I find this thread of Eanassir to be different from other discussions in a forum....It is more like a blog than an open discussion.
If he were to post in another thread to preach...then I say, it is open season. Like in the thread where he said that the earthquake in Japan was God's wrath.....
just like if someone comes to my door to try and sell me something, I can do whatever I want...but I will not go to their church and hassle them and will not go out of my way to hassle them although I will admit to having done so some years ago..
Now i will play back your first sentence back to you with just a few words changed....
Why do I get the feeling that some would like to suppress any expressions of religious belief?.
What I flog in different religions is not the religious beleifs but the barbaric actions by the followers of different religions eg. the burning of witches by the Cristians of old or the stonings by certain Islamic sects
Whether people believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny or practice witchcraft I will not bemean them for doing so...Just their resulting actions..
So It is surprising to me that people who believe in pure science would seeminly go out of their way to attack religion...any religion and look down their nose at the followers.
You must be psychic or something because I went back a ways and found only one who claims to be an atheist and the possibility of an agnostic or two. Someone who claims to have no religion is not an atheist unless they deny the existence of a god. Look at it this way, some people are political without adhering to one particular political dogma, a concept that those on the left or right have difficulty understanding. It is the same difficulty the religious have with those who do not subscribe to a particular religious dogma. they are just like George Bush: a "You are with us or you are against us" kind of black and white mentality that leaves no room for thought or discernment.
Maybe so, but I don't think that's relevant. This isn't a blog site, it's a public discussion forum, and anybody who goes on about seeing spirits and talking to the dead has to expect to take a few hits for it. Religious claims don't automatically deserve respect just because they're religious, they have to stand or fall on their own merits. He's never produced anything in support of them but personal anecdote and the argument from authority fallacy, which carry no weight in establishing the truth content of claims.
True........and here's the but...Science can explain (almost?) everything....but when I lay besides my wife at night, science simplified, tells me that what I'm feeling is just a reaction of hormones in my brain and what is happening in my groin is just a change in blood flow caused by those hormones.
That's when I throw science out the bedroom door and roll over towards my wife;-)
Say what you will, but when things seem hopeless a prayer is the poor man's psychiatric treatment.
So what I do in this case is let the poor man have his fantasy, and if he starts too many threadslike this one ask a mod to merge them, and if he goes in another thread and preaches...jump him.
Now about ST. Patrick??????:smile:
Actually, science can explain very little in any real detail, but what it *can* explain, it's pretty sure of.
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It\s the arrogance of the proclaimed atheists when it comes to science versus "religion" that burns my ass. The above statement IS a fact. Science CAN explain very little of today's universe and the past. Yet science is waived around as the be all and end all when it comes to explaining anything. It's not, and anyone that completely discounts other explanations to things that science CAN'T explain is the epitome of closed mindedness and is no different than those that believe the earth is only 6000 years old.
To the zealous it doesn't matter why you bring it up, it's fair game for a smack down on your view. Why do you think I didn't bother trying to open a discussion about observing lent this year?
Let's not be so light on science. It's possible it can't explain anything at all! It's amazing track record applied in technology and religion's seeming failure to produce any technological advancement or applicable explanation of the world means absolutely nothing. Not only can religion, with millenia of apparent failure, still be applied to things we haven't yet explained with science, but it could also still be applied to the things science has provided applicable explanations for.
Viruses and bacteria might not cause disease. Vaccines and antibiotics might not be solutions. It could all just be a coincidence. Do we have a cure for cancer? Some purported cures don't work for everybody. Some even make them sicker. It would be close minded to discount God as the cause and cure of all illness. It's possible that every scientific explanation is wrong and the demonstrable efficacy of science a mere coincidence. Science has given us so much: medicine, geology, climatology, astronomy, genetics, automobiles, airplanes, computers, houses, skyscrapers, bridges, highways, energy. The list goes on. But isn't it possible that all our scientific understanding of these things is a wrong and bridges are suspended over water because God holds them up? Automobiles continue running because enough people go to church, and the common occurrence of earthquakes around the Pacific rim a result of the Pacific always being a host to ungodly depravity. Maybe the unevenness of natural disasters around the world is a result of the unevenness of human piety.
Viruses and bacteria might not cause disease. Vaccines and antibiotics might not be solutions. It could all just be a coincidence. Do we have a cure for cancer? Some purported cures don't work for everybody. Some even make them sicker. It would be close minded to discount God as the cause and cure of all illness. It's possible that every scientific explanation is wrong and the demonstrable efficacy of science a mere coincidence. Science has given us so much: medicine, geology, climatology, astronomy, genetics, automobiles, airplanes, computers, houses, skyscrapers, bridges, highways, energy. The list goes on. But isn't it possible that all our scientific understanding of these things is a wrong and bridges are suspended over water because God holds them up? Automobiles continue running because enough people go to church, and the common occurrence of earthquakes around the Pacific rim a result of the Pacific always being a host to ungodly depravity. Maybe the unevenness of natural disasters around the world is a result of the unevenness of human piety.
Science has a huge list of things it has explained and when applied in the real world through experimentation and technology, they all seem to work. When they don't work, science tends not to say it's explained. Religion, on the other hand, has never produced a single applicable explanation for anything. Maybe they aren't mutually exclusive, but that's not the point. If you want to believe they can share explanations of the world, it still seems that all the observable and demonstrable explanations we have are one sided. Where is religion's contribution?
Wrong, but whenever anything is explained as Devine the closed minded say it isn't possible, never happened or people were delusional. Like people suddenly recovering from an illness that science can't cure. No way that it could be Devine intervention, even though science can't explain why it happened.