American torture leaves Bradley Manning catatonic

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Ooops! Hit a raw nerve did I? Being charged does not make him guilty, none the less. My assessment stands.

How could that possibly hit a nerve? It doesn't, but it makes you wrong... again.

Crucial information could get into the wrong hands.. something something.. military protocol... something bumpthing.. law and order.. criminal negligence.. yada yada.. the bastard deserved it for ratting us out.. doodeedoo doo.. the punishment fit the crime.. yuppity yupp yupp.. it's not torture.. yappity yap yap.. curse those flimsy leftards.. dippity dip dip.. case closed.

Ah well... I tried showing you a different point of view but one of the Whack Pack chimes in and dumbed you down to this.

You should take a position on The People's Court... Move over Judge Wapner, Cliffy's here to mete-out some stinging lefty justice!

Not to mention ever so slightly moving the goal post once again.
 

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EagleSmack

Admire the information you shared here from personal knowledge and experience.

Some people seem to think belonging to the military is like a club learning how to obey orders, march in formation, keep one's uniform in top shape, and how to load a weapon.

It primarily as I see is a mind set which has to tear down all the public personae new members bring to the Corps and replace it with what is expected of a Marine as a member of an unusual military force.

Over their history whether agreeable to the public perception or not - many lives have been saved and rescued by the methods taught - cruel and demanding as they may appear to the untrained.

You have nailed it exactly.

Ooops! Hit a raw nerve did I? Being charged does not make him guilty, none the less. My assessment stands.
He admitted it. "Manning admitted to spending months trawling US intelligence databases and then burning rewritable CD-ROMs with sensitive documents and footage.
US officials are increasingly worried about leakage from those within its secure networks, due to the immense quantities of data kept on its military systems.
"The Department of Defense takes the management of classified information very seriously because it affects our national security, the lives of our soldiers, and our operations abroad," an official said."

US Army Intelligence Analyst Bradley Manning Arrested | World News | Sky News
 

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You have nailed it exactly.


He admitted it. "Manning admitted to spending months trawling US intelligence databases and then burning rewritable CD-ROMs with sensitive documents and footage.
US officials are increasingly worried about leakage from those within its secure networks, due to the immense quantities of data kept on its military systems.
"The Department of Defense takes the management of classified information very seriously because it affects our national security, the lives of our soldiers, and our operations abroad," an official said."

US Army Intelligence Analyst Bradley Manning Arrested | World News | Sky News

What you will ivariably hear from the left ......no matter the evidence.....

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EagleSmack

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He admitted it. "Manning admitted to spending months trawling US intelligence databases and then burning rewritable CD-ROMs with sensitive documents and footage.

Not only did he admit it... WikiLeaks has contributed$15,000.00 to his defense!

Manning made Assange a world wide celebrity. Giving money Manning's Defense Team is the least Julian Assange can do before they lock Bradley up for the rest of his life.

But you can't tell that to some people and expect it to matter.
 

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It is a well known fact that military intelligence is an oxymoron. Since this poor bugger has not been charged or convicted, it is more probable that he had nothing to do with the leak than he did. That is just simple logic. So to all you bozos who have condemned him, perhaps you should wait until some proof of guilt is established. Otherwise you just sound like a bunch of sadistic meatheads.
No Cliffy - That is your twisted logic. Even i have kept abreast and yes he has confessed. Have you considered the people in Afghanistan that because they were named, reason why matters little, are dead because of him. Along with family members.
So Assange and Manning are complict in acts of murder.
Did you consider that?
Any reply on that point??
 

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This story reminds me of that of Hasegara Teru (Green May), except that she was at much higher risk in that her husband was Chinese, the Japanese Imperial Army had barely a care about even giving a semblance of respecting human rights (though granted they did try via diplomatic channels to hide the rape of Nanjing and tried to portray themselves ans China's saviour), media wasn't nearly as modern and Japan was controlling much internal information, and so it would have been easy to have finished her off if they'd gotten their hands on her, except that she was fighting on the Chinese side on Chinese soil and so had Chinese protection.

Beyond that though, there are still enough similarities to at least remind me of her.
 

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What everyone seems to miss in this debate is that he revealed illegal acts perpetrated by the US government and its military. What they have done is much worse that what Manning ever did. They figure if they blow enough smoke people will forget the Americans were involved in wrongful imprisonment, murder and torture (real physical harm) of civilians. Manning's 'crimes' pale in comparison to the atrocities he revealed. The whole jailing and trial thing is a big smokescreen to hide the real crimes. I suggest he uses the 2nd ammendment, which demands the citizenry to rebel against corrupt or unlawful goverment, as a defense.
 

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Some of you need to learn about what life in "seg" or lack of it does to the human body and mind.

If you pay attention to the news you'd have learned that yesterday Canada finally dropped "seg" for women because it was cruel.

One step, but it's a step.

Prisons to end rare solitary-confinement protocol for women


The Correctional Service of Canada says it will soon abandon a rarely used, but highly controversial program that allows female inmates deemed "high risk" to be placed in segregation for indefinite periods.


The service has also acknowledged that two women are still under "management protocol."

Prisoners in the program can find themselves held in isolation for months at a time, with severe restrictions on their movement. The government introduced the program in 2003 following a series of violent incidents at prisons, including hostage-takings. There is no equivalent program for male prisoners.


Critics have said that such prolonged isolation can be "psychologically crippling" to a prisoner. Earlier this month, a civil-liberties group filed a lawsuit on behalf of a Saskatchewan woman serving time in a B.C. prison, alleging that she was kept in solitary confinement for the better part of three years. It called the practice "cruel, inhuman and degrading."


Suzanne Leclerc, a correctional service spokeswoman, declined to comment on the lawsuit. However, in an email to Postmedia News, she said the government is committed to "moving away" from management protocol and that a new approach "should be implemented in the spring of 2011." She declined to offer details about the new approach.

She did note, however, that of the seven women across Canada who have been subjected to the protocol since 2003, only two remain.


Canada's correctional watchdog said while he is pleased the government is moving away from the practice, it's something that should've happened a long time ago.


In his 2008-09 annual report, Howard Sapers, the correctional investigator of Canada, said the program should be "immediately rescinded."


"I have very serious concerns about the impact of this form of harsh and punitive confinement on the mental health and emotional well-being of these women," he wrote at the time. "They need intervention and treatment, not deprivation."


Sapers says rather than taking a blanket approach to dealing with the small group of high-risk female inmates, the government ought to provide a more individualized response that takes into account each of their "complex needs," particularly their mental-health needs.

Segregation, he adds, should only be used in exceptional cases, for very limited durations, and for well-defined reasons.


Those recommendations were echoed in a May 2010 report produced by the correctional service following a series of consultations with various experts.


There seemed to be a consensus, the report said, that the correctional service needed to be more flexible when dealing with problem inmates and that the current policy of "zero tolerance" toward aggressive behaviour was too rigid and didn't take into account the fact that it takes time for offenders to unlearn certain bad behaviours.


The B.C. Civil Liberties Association threw itself into the debate earlier this month when it filed a lawsuit on behalf of BobbyLee Worm, who is serving a six-year, four-month sentence for robbery and assault at B.C.'s Fraser Valley Institution.


According to the claim, Worm, 24, was placed in segregation in 2008 after getting into fights with other inmates and was confined to a 2 1/2-by-three-metre isolation cell for up to 23 hours each day with very limited access to counselling services, despite suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.


It wasn't only until November that Worm was finally allowed to interact with other inmates again, said Grace Pastine, the civil liberties association's litigation director.


The lawsuit alleges that the practice of indefinite solitary confinement is unconstitutional, depriving inmates of their charter rights to liberty and security and subjecting them to cruel and unusual punishment.


It asserts that the rules for getting off the management protocol are vague and that it can be "exceedingly difficult" for female prisoners to earn their way back to normal prison conditions.


Further, the association claims prolonged solitary confinement "can create mental illness where none previously existed and can exacerbate pre-existing illness, ultimately leaving individuals more damaged."

To some leftards just putting a criminal in jail is violating their charter rights. Apparently the charter needs to be either discarded or seriously reworked. Thanks Trudeau for giving criminals more rights than victims.
 

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From what I gather, Manning was pretty indiscriminate as to what he was revealing, he wasn't just revealing alleged wrongdoings by the US armed forces....he was just copying everything he could get his hands on and passing it on....so to praise him as a whistle blower is quite a stretch of the imagination by his online defenders.
 

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What everyone seems to miss in this debate is that he revealed illegal acts perpetrated by the US government and its military. What they have done is much worse that what Manning ever did. They figure if they blow enough smoke people will forget the Americans were involved in wrongful imprisonment, murder and torture (real physical harm) of civilians. Manning's 'crimes' pale in comparison to the atrocities he revealed. The whole jailing and trial thing is a big smokescreen to hide the real crimes. I suggest he uses the 2nd ammendment, which demands the citizenry to rebel against corrupt or unlawful goverment, as a defense.


... And you have railed to the heavens how the US authorities should all be strung-up because of these alleged misdeeds... So, by your own standards, doesn't Manning deserve no less? How about a fair trial for the perpetrators of the crimes that you believe to have been committed by those in gvt, do they get a trial or is does that offend your sensibilities as well?
 

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... And you have railed to the heavens how the US authorities should all be strung-up because of these alleged misdeeds... So, by your own standards, doesn't Manning deserve no less? How about a fair trial for the perpetrators of the crimes that you believe to have been committed by those in gvt, do they get a trial or is does that offend your sensibilities as well?

I would actualy be quite fine with that. If the defence dept commanders who ordered and allowed this and personnel who participated in these acts against humanity were to also stand trial I would drop all complaints about Manning being tried for his action.
 

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Sure....America didn't facilitate or participate in torture in Iraq, at Gitmo, at Abu Grahib. None of it was ever ordered by anyone higher than a PFC. Americans also never killed entire villages of women and children in Vietnam..well that was really just the marines. The same marines who still think they won Vietnam. Funny how when an offer of equal treatment for all is mae you suddenly start avoidance techniques and start blowing smoke.
 

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I would actualy be quite fine with that. If the defence dept commanders who ordered and allowed this and personnel who participated in these acts against humanity were to also stand trial I would drop all complaints about Manning being tried for his action.

I find it quite telling that as soon as an offer of 'fair for one - fair for all' is proposed our resident right-wingers simply disappear. Obviously they do not want to see most of the leaders in the military open to the same treatment and punishment as Mr Braddley.
 

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Since when did the right start shilling for the feds? That's not in the constitution.

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I find it quite telling that as soon as an offer of 'fair for one - fair for all' is proposed our resident right-wingers simply disappear. Obviously they do not want to see most of the leaders in the military open to the same treatment and punishment as Mr Braddley.

If you have to quote yourself to make a point, you might not have one. Nobody else thinks you do.
 

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If you have to quote yourself to make a point, you might not have one. Nobody else thinks you do.

He is his own best friend.

Sure....America didn't facilitate or participate in torture in Iraq, at Gitmo, at Abu Grahib. None of it was ever ordered by anyone higher than a PFC. Americans also never killed entire villages of women and children in Vietnam..well that was really just the marines. The same marines who still think they won Vietnam. Funny how when an offer of equal treatment for all is mae you suddenly start avoidance techniques and start blowing smoke.