American torture leaves Bradley Manning catatonic

[captain morgan]

Did you expect him to first surround himself with like minded people before releasing the info? The world has been changed more by individuals following their conscience than by revolutions. Violent revolutions guarantee the maintenance of the status quo.

The world has also been severely damaged by the ravings of solitary madmen as well... I don't know what 'options' that Manning had, and frankly, I really don't care. Again, he made a unilateral assessment and took actions that will result in long-lived problems among many different nations for some time to come. Let me ask you this: Other than airing a number of embarrassing memos, Wikileaks and Manning achieved nothing more than widening the rift between a few specific nations.

Who will pay the price? By in large, Manning and wikileaks were very successful in kicking a large number of needy people that might have benefited, square in the balls.

 

[Walter]

Hey, Obama has made so much history.

He is the first black president, and....er... and...um... and...well he is the first black president.

Half-black; his mother was as white as the driven snow.

 

[Unforgiven]

I still fail to see the crime here.

He outed the US government's continual assistance and participation in the violation of human rights and embarrsaed the hell out of them on the world stage. I'm sure that is in the criminal code somewhere....don't embarrass you government when they are doing terrible, unjust things.

I'll explain because I have a moment. Life isn't fair. Good with that bad, just imagine if everyone got exactly what they deserved. That might not be the best thing in the long run.

That being said, here is another one. Might makes right.
If someone can and will beat you're head in, they are the only one's left to tell the story of you and paint the picture they want to paint of you.

With that in mind, revisit the first thing I told you. That's right, you fu ck with the bull, you get the horns.
And life isn't fair. They knew there would be a reaction to it. Some governments would just snuff the guy and move onto the next target. This one wants to know who and how and has the ability to get it one way or another. That's the reality of it.

What law was broken you ask? Charged with releasing classified information to unauthorized personnel. The military takes that sort of thing personally. So here he sits all alone, pressured by the man to account for what he did and how he did it. Could be worse. Could be getting his head cut off for a press release in Iraq, or in some forgotten underground cell in Syria left to the monster.

If you are going to pull the dog's tail, know where the climbing trees are.

 

[petros]

Torturing a person for one crime leaves the door open to justify torturing your mom over a parking ticket.

Either you want equality and fair treatment or you don't.

There is no middle ground.

 

[Trotz]

Ahh you're forgetting that the RCMP just likes torturing people for fun. *ZAAAP*

 

[PoliticalNick]

Time to stop glorifying those traitors who only try to hurt our country. He had other ways to expose those papers, but he chose the cowards way probably wanted to get out of the military, well he soon will be out. (to bad he destroyed his life). If you only knew what kind of damage you and your kind (people with no responsibility to anyone or thing, so self believing that they are the seat of world knowledge) do to the world. How about trying to straighten out your own government, smaller should make it much simpler to work with unless it is already messed up also.

He did try other avenues. He spoke to his commanders who ignored his concern and ordered him to go round up more people for torture. He approached their superiors who threatened him with imprisionment if he did not follow his orders.

I don't think that he was really left much choice in how to stand up for basic humanity against tyrannical invading forces motivated by oil profits. He obviously was aware of the possible consequences of bringing the issue to the free press and yet still did it, I don't see this as a cowardly action at all but completely brave.

I would suggest that if you are such a supporter of the war in Iraq you run out and sign up...or are you too much of a coward?

Who will pay the price? By in large, Manning and wikileaks were very successful in kicking a large number of needy people that might have benefited, square in the balls.

Better a kick in the balls than a trip to the american sponsored torture chamber. Your attempt a deflection from and justification of the issue of torture is as morally reprehensivle as the act itself.

Half-black; his mother was as white as the driven snow.

I actually thought she was of asian descent. Or is that Tiger Woods?

 

[petros]

Ahh you're forgetting that the RCMP just likes torturing people for fun. *ZAAAP*

I'm looking forward to being microwaved.

 

[Colpy]

He did try other avenues. He spoke to his commanders who ignored his concern and ordered him to go round up more people for torture. He approached their superiors who threatened him with imprisionment if he did not follow his orders.

I don't think that he was really left much choice in how to stand up for basic humanity against tyrannical invading forces motivated by oil profits. He obviously was aware of the possible consequences of bringing the issue to the free press and yet still did it, I don't see this as a cowardly action at all but completely brave.

I would suggest that if you are such a supporter of the war in Iraq you run out and sign up...or are you too much of a coward?



Better a kick in the balls than a trip to the american sponsored torture chamber. Your attempt a deflection from and justification of the issue of torture is as morally reprehensivle as the act itself.



I actually thought she was of asian descent. Or is that Tiger Woods?

Links please.

I'm calling "bull****" on this one

I have looked. I can find no reference to Manning ever being in the field, much less "He spoke to his commanders who ignored his concern and ordered him to go round up more people for torture." He was a desk jockey, an intelligence analyst, not a combat soldier.


Indeed, most of the crimes he revealed did not even involve US troops....but Iraqi police, and the famed Apache shooting is simply a case of mistaken identity....it happens in war.

If you have some source that shows otherwise, please produce it.

I did learn two things......Manning was suspected of having mental problems before he was sent to Iraq......

And the US gov't has charged him with "aiding the enemy", which could carry the death sentence.

 

[petros]

Regardless of what he did he deserves to be treated as any other soldier being remanded for court marshalling and like any other soldier who is sentenced to Ft Leavenworth. He ratted on rats and there are circumstances that come with being a rat even if you ratted on rats and he'll have to deal with his peers over it.

Nobody deserves to have their mind ****ed with in the way it is being ****ed with and doing so is just plain wrong. Sub culture and class self justification has allowed govts to kill more people over the last 111 years than through our entire history of mankind.

Only fools would allow their govt to get away with injustices of torture on their own people.

Don't be opening doors that you'll only regret opening on yourself.

 

[TenPenny]

Bradley Manning Now "Catatonic"; Obama ENOUGH! -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net


As Obama's crime of the destruction of Bradley Manning continues to unfold before our very eyes, Manning friend David House now tells us that over 8 months in isolation with movement and sleep restrictions placed on him have been having their intended effect. House has told MSNBC that by the end of January Manning appeared "catatonic" and that he had "severe problems communicating,"

If he's catatonic, then it really doesn't matter if he's allowed his underwear - he won't notice.

I wonder what people think being in prison actually means? Cause this kinda sounds like prison to me.

 

[petros]

They should have their bread and water cut back too?

 

[ironsides]

That prick needed to be strung up and made an example of but the Lewinsky bull**** story was far too good a cover and it worked. Kind of like how Sheen is being used while the economic collapse starts to find it's way to those employed by the state who are being layed off in record numbers leaving the saftey and security of the US people's asses flapping in the wind.

Then why the **** is the wife of one of the biggest traitors of all time sitting as sec of state?

I have no idea, Obama appointed her. enough said.

 

[petros]

Manning is a meaningless light weight compared to Clinton.

 

[ironsides]

He did try other avenues. He spoke to his commanders who ignored his concern and ordered him to go round up more people for torture. He approached their superiors who threatened him with imprisionment if he did not follow his orders.

I don't think that he was really left much choice in how to stand up for basic humanity against tyrannical invading forces motivated by oil profits. He obviously was aware of the possible consequences of bringing the issue to the free press and yet still did it, I don't see this as a cowardly action at all but completely brave.

I would suggest that if you are such a supporter of the war in Iraq you run out and sign up...or are you too much of a coward?



Better a kick in the balls than a trip to the american sponsored torture chamber. Your attempt a deflection from and justification of the issue of torture is as morally reprehensivle as the act itself.



I actually thought she was of asian descent. Or is that Tiger Woods?

I am sure you were privy to what he did or didn't do. No one in his pay grade would have access to the information he leaked, he hacked it (to put it in simple puter terms). As for me being a supporter, I have over 40 years USMC behind me, I know you never ate sand.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I am sure you were privy to what he did or didn't do. No one in his pay grade would have access to the information he leaked, he hacked it (to put it in simple puter terms). As for me being a supporter, I have over 40 years USMC behind me, I know you never ate sand.

Hoo rah. Your bad choice of a carreer as a ****ing brainwashed jarhead is not my problem. You can live with it and all the things you did in the name of the motherland.

I was in Cyprus for 10 months and Bosnia for 6 months during my 3 years with Canadian Forces. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

You may want to ask questions before making ridiculous statements in the future, but of course that jarhead training takes the ability to question anything away. I am sure you would line up a villiage of children and shoot if you were ordered to.

 

[EagleSmack]

Hoo rah. Your bad choice of a carreer as a ****ing brainwashed jarhead is not my problem. You can live with it and all the things you did in the name of the motherland.

I was in Cyprus for 10 months and Bosnia for 6 months during my 3 years with Canadian Forces. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

You may want to ask questions before making ridiculous statements in the future, but of course that jarhead training takes the ability to question anything away. I am sure you would line up a villiage of children and shoot if you were ordered to.

And you would most likely watch it being done without doing a thing with your training!

 

[ironsides]

Hoo rah. Your bad choice of a carreer as a ****ing brainwashed jarhead is not my problem. You can live with it and all the things you did in the name of the motherland.

I was in Cyprus for 10 months and Bosnia for 6 months during my 3 years with Canadian Forces. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

You may want to ask questions before making ridiculous statements in the future, but of course that jarhead training takes the ability to question anything away. I am sure you would line up a villiage of children and shoot if you were ordered to.

Good for you, made your mama proud.

 

[mentalfloss]

At first, Obama was the great saviour .........
Now that he is faced with a heavy dose of reality the leftards are turning on him:roll:

I can't believe you get top post for this tripe. Way to continue the trend of unnecessarily bi-polarizing the discussion. Let's stop this left-right association - it's really infantile and does nothing to actually stimulate an intelligent discussion.

 

[ironsides]

President Barack Obama says he's been assured by the Pentagon that the Army private suspected of giving classified information to the WikiLeaks website is being held in conditions that are "appropriate and meeting our basic standards."

Pfc. Bradley Manning's civilian lawyer disagrees and has said his client's clothing is being taken each night because of sarcastic comments he had made about using underwear to commit suicide. The lawyer has called the treatment degrading.

Obama: Bradley Manning Treatment Appropriate


Degrading is the least that maggot should worry about. Plus President Obama says it, it is ok.

 

[mentalfloss]

Yes, well apparently if you agree with Obama, you're a leftard.

If you disagree with Obama, you're also a leftard.

Either way, everyone on this planet is now a leftard.

The reality of the situation is that he is pandering to the military-industrial complex here. It's one of the few black marks, imo, of his political ethos. The average person can acutely recognize this and even though he's not a retard like the last guy - to shrug this off and pretend you're a humanitarian is disingenuous at best.