Swiss gun culture under fire in Sunday referendum

[Trotz]

Damn straight,
things have been going downhill since the Finns gave women the vote in 1903!

 

[Colpy]

Well, the Good GUYS won.

World New: Swiss Gun Control Referendum Fails

I love the idea that we have to lose our rights because some idiot might put a gun in his mouth and try to pull the trigger twice.......

Have these people never heard of personal responsibility?

Or Darwin, for that matter.

The Swiss stay armed to the teeth......

 

[Nuggler]

Good on them.

If one wants to off oneself, a rope'lldo just fine. Ban ropes. Or, store them in the local rope arsenal.

right.

 

[Colpy]

Good on them.

If one wants to off oneself, a rope'lldo just fine. Ban ropes. Or, store them in the local rope arsenal.

right.

Exactly.

BTW, the suicide rate in the USA is slightly lower than ours....

And Lorne Gunther says it well:

It’s good to know that there remains a modern, sophisticated democracy that has not given into the irrational, fearful, anti-factual, gun-ban mentality. Trusting ordinary, law-abiding citizens with guns is a sign of a free country, one in which the people are truly the sovereigns and not the subjects of the government.
George Orwell once wrote, “That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer’s cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” We in Canada seem to have forgotten that.

Read more: Lorne Gunter: Swiss vote to preserve private gun ownership | Full Comment | National Post
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[Avro]

True enough.

Although I'm sure you could find many here that think the Yanks are forming up just on the other side of the border.

....and many Americans who feel that way about us.

Ever seen Canadian Bacon?;-)

 

[Colpy]

....and many Americans who feel that way about us.

Ever seen Canadian Bacon?;-)

They're safe....as long as they don't insult our beer.......

 

[Avro]

They're safe....as long as they don't insult our beer.......

They do....it's toooo strong....what's with the flavor, we don't have it ours....it burns my liver.....and other such whines.

 

[Cliffy]

When it comes to guns and gun ownership, Canadians are pussy whipped. Private gun owners are our only defense from a possible future take over by some despot. Give Harper a majority and we may need all those guns.

 

[Bar Sinister]

When it comes to guns and gun ownership, Canadians are pussy whipped. Private gun owners are our only defense from a possible future take over by some despot. Give Harper a majority and we may need all those guns.

That argument didn't seem to work to well in the US when the rights of US citizens were curtailed after 911. Guess what? A bunch of poorly organized gun nuts are no match for the US intelligence service or the military that backs it. Tell enough lies and the majority falls in line like a bunch of sheep guns or no.

 

[Machjo]

The Swiss stay armed to the teeth......

(emphasis mine)

Was that pun intentional?

 

[Colpy]

That argument didn't seem to work to well in the US when the rights of US citizens were curtailed after 911. Guess what? A bunch of poorly organized gun nuts are no match for the US intelligence service or the military that backs it. Tell enough lies and the majority falls in line like a bunch of sheep guns or no.

excuse me?

The USA is still one of the freest nations on earth. Moreso than Canada, that is for sure.

Rebellion requires, as kind of a prerequisite, severe oppression to be rebeled against!

It ain't happened down south.

and no, I don't like the Patriot Act.

 

[DaSleeper]

That argument didn't seem to work to well in the US when the rights of US citizens were curtailed after 911. Guess what? A bunch of poorly organized gun nuts are no match for the US intelligence service or the military that backs it. Tell enough lies and the majority falls in line like a bunch of sheep guns or no.

What about our war measures act 1970, but that don't count.... a liberal implemented that:roll:

 

[Colpy]

What about our war measures act 1970, but that don't count.... a liberal implemented that:roll:

You don't need to go back to the Patriot Act.....our own anti-terror legislation is bad enough, enacted by Liberals, and carried forward by Conservatives.

No government is ever to be trusted.

And a well-armed population is a wonderful and effective deterent.

It is a matter of the attitude of the citizen as well........trusted and empowered, as opposed to scorned and helpless.

Let's read George Orwell again.

"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat
or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there."

That boy was a genius.

 

[ironsides]

Hmmm... I was thinking more about how that would apply to Canada. After all, if we were to adopt a Swiss-style citizen army, we'd likely want to learn from its experience while also considering Canadian cultural norms too.

Honestly though, an advantage with empty-handed martial arts is that they serve not only for self-defense, but also general physical training, making them legitimate alternatives to regular PE courses.

I doubt they'd get nearly the same amount of exercise with rifle training, not to mention I'm not sure I'd want elementary and high school students firing assault rifles on a rifle range behind the school. First off, smaller elementary students would likely find the adult-sized rifles a little hard to manipulate.

Now as for a citizen-army, I could see something like what West Germany had (or may still have for all I know, though I seem to recall they'd disbanded it soon after the cold war and now have a professional ary like Canada, US, the UK, etc.). It's a similar concept to the Swiss Army, except that both men and women must join (in Switzerland women serve voluntarily),those who object to military service on religious or other reasons of principle have the option of joining a civil-service corps (in Switzerland they don't have that option), similar in concept to the US Peace Corps except that they operate mostly within their own borders, and training is provided to the recruits (members of the US Peace Corps are generally expected to have the necessary qualifications already for the most part).

As for keeping assault rifles at home, I cold see granting the soldier himself the option of keeping it at home or at a local depot if he feels more comfortable with that.

Going back to compulsory martial art training in elementary and secondary school, that would also raise the quality of all military, RCMP, and other recruits since they'd be starting at a higher level of fitness and fighting ability than they do now.

What could a new citizens army possibly learn from the Swiss army, they never fought and are a force in name only.

 

[Avro]

You don't need to go back to the Patriot Act.....our own anti-terror legislation is bad enough, enacted by Liberals, and carried forward by Conservatives.

No government is ever to be trusted.

And a well-armed population is a wonderful and effective deterent.

It is a matter of the attitude of the citizen as well........trusted and empowered, as opposed to scorned and helpless.

Let's read George Orwell again.

"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat
or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy.
It is our job to see that it stays there."

That boy was a genius.

Paranoia.

 

[Colpy]

Paranoia.

Yep, George Orwell, William Blackstone, John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Robert Heinlein.....all screaming paranoids.

And on the gun control side?

Every bloody murdering dictator on the face of the earth....and Alan Rock, Wendy Cukier, Jean (the Don) Chretien.

I kinda like the company on this side of the line, thank you.

 

[Avro]

Yep, George Orwell, William Blackstone, John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Robert Heinlein.....all screaming paranoids.

And on the gun control side?

Every bloody murdering dictator on the face of the earth....and Alan Rock, Wendy Cukier, Jean (the Don) Chretien.

I kinda like the company on this side of the line, thank you.

You are.

Yes, we must all have guns before the Liberals line us up and shoot us down.

What utter hogwash.

 

[Colpy]

You are.

Yes, we must all have guns before the Liberals line us up and shoot us down.

What utter hogwash.

Oh Fer cryin' out loud!

Were it the current Liberal Party of Canada I was concerned with, obviously I'd have been on the barricades a long time ago....like 1972.

What I am concerned with is liberty, being a trusted citizen, maintaining the right to keep and bear arms that make it impossible for the people to be subverted with impunity.........

An armed people have a different attitude, symbols are very important..........and go read Orwell again.

 

[Avro]

Oh Fer cryin' out loud!

Were it the current Liberal Party of Canada I was concerned with, obviously I'd have been on the barricades a long time ago....like 1972.

What I am concerned with is liberty, being a trusted citizen, maintaining the right to keep and bear arms that make it impossible for the people to be subverted with impunity.........

An armed people have a different attitude, symbols are very important..........and go read Orwell again.

You just compared Liberals to murdering dictators...or at least put them in the same breath....paranoid...delusional...crazy...phallicly challenged...etc etc etc.

So armed Canadians would be more what with guns?

Ready for a coup? You're nuts.

I have two guns, never looked at them in the gleem of the moonlight pining for the day I can overthrow those facist conservatives.

 

[Colpy]

You just compared Liberals to murdering dictators...or at least put them in the same breath....paranoid...delusional...crazy...phallicly challenged...etc etc etc.

So armed Canadians would be more what with guns?

Ready for a coup? You're nuts.

I have two guns, never looked at them in the gleem of the moonlight pining for the day I can overthrow those facist conservatives.

The words you are searching for are free, self-reliant, confident,.....the rest of your post is simply idiotic trolling.........and I have to go.

I'll continue your education later.