They would probably pistol whip you for being a perv. Some people like to abuse authority. No fun if they want abuse.
It's like the old joke, "What did the sadist say to the masochist?
No!"
Canadian sues claiming groping, strip search abuse at U.S. border
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It's like the old joke, "What did the sadist say to the masochist?
No!"
You are quite right that I would tend to believe Col. Williams over Faron Hall based on their background. Colonel Williams had to fool a lot of people regarding his true nature to get to his position. Faron Hall slid to the bottom of society due to obvious personal problems and character flaws. His actions prove that deep down he is a good person, which is why I believe in treating everyone with respect until I learn different.
Regarding this case, I don't know more about it than what everyone has read in the news. However I do have personal experience with HLS and I know from personal experience that a few of them get off on humiliating and degrading people. Positions of authority tend to attract people like that. For the record, I also know from personal experience that most HLS are pretty professional about their work. Also, since I've never had any problems with Canada Customs, I have a perception rightly or wrongly that our people are better than their American counterparts.
Since its in the best interest of the good apples to get rid of the bad apples, all complaints about bad apples should be taken seriously and investigated thoroughly. More often than not, its the civilian who is acting like a dick.
Whenever I get to the border and they ask me if I have anything to declare I say "I'm not sure, what do i have to declare"? They usually go through a list for me. Then, if there is something on the list that I'm not sure about, I say so. One drunken golf weekend in Montana, when asked if I had any liquor, I told the guy that I didn't remember putting any is the car and was 99% sure there wasn't. It gives you a little wiggle room in case you forgot about the stash you made in a drunken stupor.
I can't help but wonder what makes people pick sides in this case without having been there? Presumably since this woman travels a lot she might know her rights and what does/doesn't amount to an appropriate strip search. And what qualifies as grounds for a strip search. Undeclared raspberries sure doesn't seem legit. But, at the same time, I can't comment on what she might have said/done to make the guards wonder. In the end, if there's even a possibility that guards are abusing women at the border for their own kicks, I don't see why someone would get their panties in a bunch over this lawsuit.
It's obvious she has a valid claim. This wouldn't be hitting a judge if she said or did something extraordinary. It would never get past the clercs at the courts.
Ya, we usually go down and play Anaconda Hills and some other random course on the way up or down.
It only matters whether she can find a lawyer willing to file the suit. I think only a judge can throw it out.
Apparently the defendant has the option of filing counter motions to dismiss long before seeing a judge which is appaently the last option.
The progress of a lawsuit
The following is a generalized description of how a lawsuit may proceed in a common law jurisdiction:
[edit] Pleading
Main article: Pleading
A lawsuit begins when a complaint is filed with the court. This complaint will state that one or more plaintiffs is seeking damages or equitable relief from one or more stated defendants, and will identify the legal and factual bases for doing so. It is important that the "plaintiff selects the proper venue with the proper jurisdiction to bring his lawsuit." The clerk of a court signs or stamps the court seal upon a summons, which is then served by the plaintiff upon the defendant, together with a copy of the complaint. This service notifies the defendants that they are being sued and that they have a specific time limit to file a response. By providing a copy of the complaint, the service also notifies the defendants of the nature of the claims. Once the defendants are served with the summons and complaint, they are subject to a time limit to file an answer stating their defenses to the plaintiff's claims, including any challenges to the court's jurisdiction, and any counterclaims they wish to assert against the plaintiff.
In a handful of jurisdictions (notably, the U.S. state of New York) a lawsuit begins when one or more plaintiffs properly serve a summons and complaint upon the defendant(s). In such jurisdictions, nothing needs to be filed with the court until a dispute develops requiring actual judicial intervention.
If the defendant chooses to file an answer within the time permitted, he/she must respond to each of the plaintiffs' allegations by admitting the allegation, denying it, or pleading a lack of sufficient information to admit or deny the allegation. Some jurisdictions, like California, still authorize general denials of each and every allegation in the complaint. At the time he files an answer, the defendant will also raise all "affirmative" defenses he may have. He may also assert any counterclaims for damages or equitable relief against the plaintiff, and in the case of "compulsory counterclaims," must do so or risk having the counterclaim barred in any subsequent proceeding. The defendant may also file a "third party complaint" in which he seeks to join another party or parties in the action if he believes those parties may be liable for some or all of the plaintiff's damages. Filing an answer "joins the cause" and moves the case into the pre-trial phase.
Instead of filing an answer within the time specified in the summons, the defendant can choose to dispute the validity of the complaint by filing a demurrer (in the handful of jurisdictions where that is still allowed) or one or more "pre-answer motions," such as a motion to dismiss. The motion must be filed within the time period specified in the summons for an answer. If all such motions are denied by the trial court, and the defendant loses on all appeals from such denials (if that option is available), then the defendant must file an answer.
Usually the pleadings are drafted by a lawyer, but in many courts persons can file papers and represent themselves, which is called appearing pro se. Many courts have a pro se clerk to assist people without lawyers.
The reasons for dismissal before seeing a judge are pretty limited (ie: the defendant is dead). The fact that this woman has a lawyer means either she or her lawyer are convinced there is reasonable chance of success. I would have my doubts if she did this on her own.
I would like to invite all the women of Canada to come visit me. I will meet/meat them at the border. 