So what does happen when you die?
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Well first off, what do you mean by connected?
Are we made of energy? Yes. Does that energy just vanish when we die? No. Does this mean or even imply there is an afterlife? Not even a little.
Just because we are sentient does not mean the matter/energy that made us so must maintain us in that state of awareness for the rest of time. If you believe that to be the case, that is fine, but it is a statement of faith, one for which there is no evidence and is thus baseless.
All we know for certain is that when you die your body ceases to function, and it certainly appears that the personality disappears at the same time. There's no good evidence to suggest any part of it survives the death of the body, and plenty of evidence to suggest it's an emergent property of the brain's complexity and cannot exist without it. I think notions like mind-body dualism, separating the intellect from the senses, and John Locke's argument that ideas are private experiences no one else can share, are major philosophical errors.
A key question I think, and one I'm still grappling with, is this: When we're conscious, what is it that we're conscious of? This goes way back to the ancient beginnings of this thread when s_lone offered a long post about the nature of consciousness and subject-object duality and related matters. Still haven't figured out how to respond to that, and I'm beginning to think a book-length response is the only adequate one. Which I will not of course post, nobody'd read it, even if I could write it.
A key question I think, and one I'm still grappling with, is this: When we're conscious, what is it that we're conscious of? This goes way back to the ancient beginnings of this thread when s_lone offered a long post about the nature of consciousness and subject-object duality and related matters. Still haven't figured out how to respond to that, and I'm beginning to think a book-length response is the only adequate one. Which I will not of course post, nobody'd read it, even if I could write it.
Well said. I would like to add that these questions are best dealt with by scientists, not philosophers. We are asking real, possibly testable questions (depending on what question you ask) and philosophers are equipped best for thought experiment only.
Assuming of course that you are correct in asserting that this matter belongs in the realm of science. Somehow I have me doubts. According to science all matter occupies space and weighs something. Methinks perhaps you should do some more research, Ansutherland. :smile:
Let me guess you on a double dose of retarded pills today?
Go read the thread you chimp. I posted two pictures of lakes.
Cliff asked if one was the Duncan dam, I posted a picture of the lake in Duncan Vancouver Island, the one I know about, thinking Cliffy was talking about that one as they do look similar in a number of ways. I corrected him as to the name and location of the lake he asked about. That he lives somewhere around the area you referred to, I agree maybe it's that lake he is talking about. None of the pictures I posted are of that lake. You didn't nail a fu cking thing. Well other than pointing out your a huge tit that can't read. That you got right on the money. So do me a favour, stfu.
Let me guess you on a double dose of retarded pills today?
Go read the thread you chimp. I posted two pictures of lakes.
Cliff asked if one was the Duncan dam, I posted a picture of the lake in Duncan Vancouver Island, the one I know about, thinking Cliffy was talking about that one as they do look similar in a number of ways. I corrected him as to the name and location of the lake he asked about. That he lives somewhere around the area you referred to, I agree maybe it's that lake he is talking about. None of the pictures I posted are of that lake. You didn't nail a fu cking thing. Well other than pointing out your a huge tit that can't read. That you got right on the money. So do me a favour, stfu.
You continue to dig yourself deeper, IGNORAMUS, Cliff raised the issue, NOT YOU, he mentioned the resemblance to "Duncan Dam" and you like a daft retard (that you are) assumed he was talking about a lake near Duncan, well, I can assure you there are no major damns anywhere near Duncan- there's 3 or 4 relatively small lakes Somenos Lake, Quamichan Lake, Rogers (Dougans) Lake, Fuller Lake.....................so you obviously drove through Duncan once and think you know everything about it ...................TARD. :roll:
Why wouldn't it? It's a factual claim about the nature of reality, thus there should be evidence for it, thus it is, at least in principle, testable. That makes it science's business. If there isn't any evidence for it, just interpretations of feelings and wishes, which is all I've ever seen offered in its defense, then all you've got is something for which there are much more prosaic explanations rooted in human psychology and perception, particularly the many known ways (discovered by science) we mislead ourselves into believing things we want to be true. That too is science's business. Without science's methods you can't even begin to investigate the matter.
Unless of course there's a few things the "Big Guy" doesn't want us to investigate. :smile:
No actually it's mass. Mass don't need matter. Higgs is an idiot, they all are, every one of them stupid relativists, that's what I read anyway. Black hole junkies dark matter lunatics string freaks gravity bums always looking for research money. Electricity delivers mass, here there and everywhere.
Hey look a good discussion. Howd that happen?
Possibly, but you realize that argument trumps everything and explains nothing? The "Big Guy" did it, nothing more can be known about it, end of the research program.
Sure, all physics since Maxwell produced the first unified field theory is wrong, despite its astounding and unprecedented accuracy it's just calculating tricks. You're still reading the wrong stuff, and you're not qualified to judge it anyway. If you were you'd know that a fairly simple application of Maxwell's equations gives the lie to the electric cosmos. I showed it to you, remember?
One of the biggest things the human animal has a hard time coming to terms with is the fact he is limited in the bounds of his knowledge, that other forms of life are privy too. We are excluded from the smells and sounds that dogs possess or the "homing device" built into birds and fish, so we are not the supreme being we may think we are. Are five senses all there are? Maybe other forms have senses we know nothing about. People say things have to be proved by science. What is science? Science is expanding all the time to fill the definition man plans to give it, so it may be just as fickle as man is himself. While man has made vast advances in the past two hundred years (when we used to let blood) to the marvels of today, but there will come a time when we'll "hit the wall" and I kind of think we will never solve the mystery of death during our lifetime.
When the Lacandon people of Guatemala were first contacted 1924 it was learned the hunters could smell not just the urine of a jaguar but which type of 30 some subspecies it was from 30m.
Does he need a phone? :lol::lol: I think there is definitely a Big Guy, but not in the sense many people think. Do you find that about 99% of the things you worry about seem to be "taken care" of before what you are worrying about ever happens? I think Cliff has a lot of wisdom on the subject, not that I could even come close to paraphrasing his thoughts but I've read them many times and they've generally made sense to me. The seasons and cycles of the world all happen for a reason. "Mother Nature" kind of fits it to a tee.
Be nice, Gerry. :lol:
same way I feel from the other side, if I had smilies etc., I would show one too, mine dissapeared.
so I will just leave these. ?????????????????????
I tend to think of it more as differing opinions than stupidity. We are ALL stupid about one thing or another. :smile: