Quit picking on Obama……

[ironsides]

More than 60,000 guns connected to Mexico's drug war have been traced back to American gun shops...in Canada, we've stopped terrorists from blowing $hit up, and assassinating public officials because CSIS and the RCMP have worked in close connection with American counterparts to monitor who is buying what.

There is violence and terrorism on the other side of your border, and it is spilling over into America too. So, what do you suggest they do ironsides?

As far as Mexico is concerned, they can either ask for our help actively and we can stop this game they play with the drug cartels together or I'm not really interested (what they are doing now will not work). As to solving our problem, that is easy, I would start by rigorously enforcing the laws we now have. We don't have to create new laws to enforce older laws. To much government control will only lead to other problems that are much worse.

 

[Tonington]

As to solving our problem, that is easy, I would start by rigorously enforcing the laws we now have.

Such as? Reporting multiple sales of handguns is on the books already. The recent trends amongst drug cartels is towards more use of assault rifles.

 

[ironsides]

Such as? Reporting multiple sales of handguns is on the books already. The recent trends amongst drug cartels is towards more use of assault rifles.

What you and most people do not understand is that I cannot just go out and purchase a fully automatic assault rifle, there is a lot of red tape and taxes to be paid just to purchase one. Also when a new rifle, pistol is purchased the purchaser's personal information is recorded and supposedly sent to a National data base. As I said, there are rules, someone finds a way to break those rules, they will be punished. Here in Florida law enforcement agencies are always catching boats trying to run guns into other countries. Those American weapons reaching Mexico are coming from other countries selling fully automatic weapons to the highest bidder. Where they originated from is anyone's guess. The U.S. should probably stop selling those weapons to allied countries.

 

[Tonington]

What you and most people do not understand is that I cannot just go out and purchase a fully automatic assault rifle, there is a lot of red tape and taxes to be paid just to purchase one.

So? We're talking about gun shop owners reporting multiple assault weapon purchases. If the same guy is buying weapons from multiple shops in a small area, and within a short time frame, that might be a good lead to follow up. It doesn't change in any meaningful way the requirements on purchasers of these guns.

 

[ironsides]

So? We're talking about gun shop owners reporting multiple assault weapon purchases. If the same guy is buying weapons from multiple shops in a small area, and within a short time frame, that might be a good lead to follow up. It doesn't change in any meaningful way the requirements on purchasers of these guns.

First of all, do you hunt at all? What do you consider a assault weapon? When does a rifle cease to be a assault weapon? Now in answer to your question, yes it would be possible to buy multiple weapons at various locations, but all the paper work would raise some eyebrows and a possible immediate visit by the local police. As I told you, every single weapon would require paperwork, the gun shop info. can be traced back to a distributor who can be traced to the importer or manufacture.

 

[Tonington]

As I told you, every single weapon would require paperwork, the gun shop info. can be traced back to a distributor who can be traced to the importer or manufacture.

Yes....that's how ATF knows that guns used in Mexico are being purchased in USA.

So then you don't have a problem with gun shops reporting multiple purchases? Then what are you on about?

 

[ironsides]

Yes....that's how ATF knows that guns used in Mexico are being purchased in USA.

So then you don't have a problem with gun shops reporting multiple purchases? Then what are you on about?

No, not at all, as I said they do. As to the ATF, they know because of the manufacture of the weapons, not the individual who purchased it. Most of those weapons were either stolen from some armory in the U.S. or outside the country and smuggled back in or directly to Mexico etc.

What I do not want the government attaching any more requirements than we already have. I want the government to stay out of a states right in this case. Better example would be Canada, what right does your Federal government have to get involved in Provincial rights unless some group is getting persecuted or being treated as second class citizens. (such as your indigenous people)

You didn't answer my questions.

 

[Walter]

Must be a Tea Party od Sarah Palin plot.

News Headlines

 

[BaalsTears]

Quit Picking On Obama? Sorry. American political culture demands human sacrifices. What happened to Bush will happen to Obama. Whoever succeeds Obama will get the same treatment. We are waging a form of civil war.

 

[Colpy]

More than 60,000 guns connected to Mexico's drug war have been traced back to American gun shops...in Canada, we've stopped terrorists from blowing $hit up, and assassinating public officials because CSIS and the RCMP have worked in close connection with American counterparts to monitor who is buying what.

There is violence and terrorism on the other side of your border, and it is spilling over into America too. So, what do you suggest they do ironsides?

Baloney.

Only 17% of the firearms traced in Mexico have been shown to have US origins.

So, if 60,000 is the 17%, you are saying the Mexicans have recovered 353,000 firearms. Seriously, that is just silly.

Uh-huh. They need to go into the resale business.......

As well, the favourite weapon of the Mexican drug cartels is the fully automatic AK 47. This is not a weapon easily available in the USA, but IS easily available in South and Central America, thanks to Fidel.

Amended to say: on further research, the 17% figure does appear low.........but it is still no where near the 90% figure used by the gun-grabbing left......

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/

 

[Tonington]

Baloney.

Only 17% of the firearms traced in Mexico have been shown to have US origins.

So, if 60,000 is the 17%, you are saying the Mexicans have recovered 353,000 firearms. Seriously, that is just silly.

These aren't my numbers.

Guns in Mexico Drug War Traced to Dallas Store: Report | NBC Dallas-Fort Worth

or here:
As Mexico drug violence runs rampant, U.S. guns tied to crime south of border

Where do your numbers come from?

 

[Walter]

I wonder what the Bamster will do.
Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law

 

[DaSleeper]

I wonder what the Bamster will do.
Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law

Here we go again......

 

[Tonington]

I wonder what the Bamster will do.

The same thing he did after he was elected.

I wonder what the nutty fruitbar birthers will do once Obama is declared eligible, yet again.

 

[BaalsTears]

America has drunk from a poisoned well. It doesn't matter who is president.

 

[ironsides]

oops

 

[Walter]

The Bamster is a lazy student. No wonder he won't release his marks.
American Thinker: Obama Stung by SOTU Plagiarism Rap

 

[ironsides]

Obummer! by Christina Houston

YouTube - Obummer! by Christina Houston

 

[ironsides]

My President inspires so much confidence.

BITING THE BULLET ON EXPENSES​

The President ordered the cabinet to cut a whopping $100 million from the $3.5 trillion federal budget!

I'm so impressed by this sacrifice that I have decided to do the same thing with my personal budget. I spend about $2000 a month on groceries, medicine, bills, etc, but it's time to get out the budget cutting ax, go line by line through my expenses, and start cutting.

I'm going to cut my spending at exactly the same ratio - 1/35,000 of my total budget. After doing the math, it looks like instead of spending $2000 a month, I'm going to have to cut that number by seven cents!

Yes, I'm going to have to get by with $1999.93, but that's what sacrifice is all about. I'll just have to do without some luxuries.


Now, are you going to do your part?

 

[Avro]

Cut defense by a third, Medicaid in half and cancel the Bush tax cuts.

Deficit gone....cut the other discretionary spending to get a surplus and pay down the debt.

Simple.