RCMP attempt damage control in wake of B.C. video

JLM

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Damn straight and proud to say so. If this aspect of our judicial system bothers you so much, may I suggest you run for office and try to change it. Alternatively, you could move to China or Iran where they are more in line with your way of thinking.



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You're living in a state of delusion- get some help. We saw what "due process" did in the O.J. trial and in the Air India trial. That's the kind of sh*t that happens when you have a system rife with those of the calibre of that cop. :lol:

If 10% of society has mental health issues, that means 1 in 10 cops out there are in need of treatment.

I think we found one.

Yeah, in a normal cross section of society. :smile:
 

TenPenny

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We saw what "due process" did in the O.J. trial and in the Air India trial. That's the kind of sh*t that happens when you have a system rife with those of the calibre of that cop. :lol:

Quite true. In the OJ Simpson trial, it boiled down to a simple:

Cops: yes, we fabricate evidence all the time, especially when it's a black guy that's accused.
Defence: so, how do we know you haven't fabricated evidence this time?
Cops: oh, trust us, it's all okay this time.

Jury: not guilty.

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Who would have expected any different outcome?

In the Air India trial, it boiled down to:

Cops: well, we sort of knew something, maybe, but didn't tell anyone. And we were sort of involved, but not really. Trust us.
Defence: got any evidence?
Cops: oh, we destroyed it, nobody told us to keep it.
 

JLM

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Quite true. In the OJ Simpson trial, it boiled down to a simple:

Cops: yes, we fabricate evidence all the time, especially when it's a black guy that's accused.
Defence: so, how do we know you haven't fabricated evidence this time?
Cops: oh, trust us, it's all okay this time.

Jury: not guilty.

Surprise, surprise, surprise. Who would have expected any different outcome?

In the Air India trial, it boiled down to:

Cops: well, we sort of knew something, maybe, but didn't tell anyone. And we were sort of involved, but not really. Trust us.
Defence: got any evidence?
Cops: oh, we destroyed it, nobody told us to keep it.


Well, that's just it, "due process" sometimes doesn't involve those of us who have some common sense. In this specific case most of us have seen all the footage including the cop kicking the victim in the face and the blood on the ground and able to put 2 + 2 together. Unfortunately one poster here doesn't savvy that (perhaps thinks the blood was caused from picking his nose) . Anyway now we are getting "due process". But I'm not holding my breath that THAT won't include sleazy defense lawyers and possibly witnesses who suffer from selective amnesia. :lol:
 

petros

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Too bad it weren't like this....


"Hello OnStar how may I help you?"

"This is an emergency. I've been pulled over by the RCMP and I'd like to run a detailed background check on Constable S.O. Enso for instability and violence issues before I exit my vehicle. Please enable audio and video to record the encounter".
 

JLM

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Too bad it weren't like this....


"Hello OnStar how may I help you?"

"This is an emergency. I've been pulled over by the RCMP and I'd like to run a detailed background check on Constable S.O. Enso for instability and violence issues before I exit my vehicle. Please enable audio and video to record the encounter".

Sadly because of a rotten minority that's what it's coming down to.
 

Cannuck

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You're living in a state of delusion- get some help. We saw what "due process" did in the O.J. trial and in the Air India trial. That's the kind of sh*t that happens when you have a system rife with those of the calibre of that cop.

Again, if the system bothers you so much, do something to change it or move somewhere that is more appealing to you. Blathering on on an internet forum won't change a thing. I only ask that if you do decide to seek office, you let me know so that I can come to some of your events. It would be pretty entertaining.
 

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Well, that's just it, "due process" sometimes doesn't involve those of us who have some common sense. In this specific case most of us have seen all the footage including the cop kicking the victim in the face and the blood on the ground and able to put 2 + 2 together. Unfortunately one poster here doesn't savvy that (perhaps thinks the blood was caused from picking his nose) . Anyway now we are getting "due process". But I'm not holding my breath that THAT won't include sleazy defense lawyers and possibly witnesses who suffer from selective amnesia. :lol:


Are you saying that video evidence is absolute truth?
 

JLM

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Are you saying that video evidence is absolute truth?

Absolute? Nothing in the world is absolute- everything is subject to a certain margin of error. But in the case of the video, it's obviously passed the scrutiny of the news people and the detectives, who are much more professional than I so I have to accept it as accurate beyond reasonable doubt- otherwise in life we'd be continuously reinventing the wheel.

Again, if the system bothers you so much, do something to change it or move somewhere that is more appealing to you. Blathering on on an internet forum won't change a thing. I only ask that if you do decide to seek office, you let me know so that I can come to some of your events. It would be pretty entertaining.

Every time you put out valid ideas for public observance you are doing "something to change it", truth can be contagious. :smile:
 

TenPenny

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Absolute? Nothing in the world is absolute- everything is subject to a certain margin of error. But in the case of the video, it's obviously passed the scrutiny of the news people and the detectives, who are much more professional than I so I have to accept it as accurate beyond reasonable doubt- otherwise in life we'd be continuously reinventing the wheel.

I agree, nothing in the world is absolute. That's why I believe in the idea of a trial by judge and/or jury to determine guilt. I'm not too interested in what the newsmedia thinks, or the detectives. I want these things proven in a court of law. I will accept that there are times when a court will give an unjust or incorrect verdict, but that's part of the process.

I'm not going to base my verdict on the 6 o'clock news.
 

JLM

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I agree, nothing in the world is absolute. That's why I believe in the idea of a trial by judge and/or jury to determine guilt. I'm not too interested in what the newsmedia thinks, or the detectives. I want these things proven in a court of law. I will accept that there are times when a court will give an unjust or incorrect verdict, but that's part of the process.

I'm not going to base my verdict on the 6 o'clock news.

Actually I'd bet the 6 o'clock news has a better track record for accuracy than most judges and juries, especially those anchored by the likes of Peter Mansbridge, Walter Kronkite or Knowlton Nash. Jurors are not professionals just layman like you and me and are only expected to decipher what they see and hear.
 

TenPenny

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Actually I'd bet the 6 o'clock news has a better track record for accuracy than most judges and juries, especially those anchored by the likes of Peter Mansbridge, Walter Kronkite or Knowlton Nash. Jurors are not professionals just layman like you and me and are only expected to decipher what they see and hear.

You realize that Mansbridge, Nash, and Kronkite were paid to read what was put in front of them, don't you? That's what a newsreader does - reads the script for the news. You don't think they write it all, or think of the questions, I hope.

And the whole point about juries being 'like you and me' is the cornerstone of our justice system. It's the whole point. That's the foundation of our system. And not one that I would give up, thank you very much.
 

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Cannuk I was not Monday morning quarterbacking, those are the procedures laid out in the
police training. I was commenting on a statement made by a legal authority from the coast
that was talking about it on air. As I had said i was not going to go through the whole thing
but I highlighted it. None of the procedures were followed to cover this situation of an
arrest in a high risk situation. The police practice the procedure in training until it is part of
their reaction to this type of situation. As for knowing all the facts? Hell I don't think they
have left a stone unturned here, the media, the police doing preemptive verbal statements,
something they don't usually do and these come from the top. This is a case where the guy
was caught booting someone in the head for no good reason and even the investigating
police are going to hang him out to dry.
What goes on in another man's heart is never definable by the rest of us that is true. However
people who act in this fashion under pressure we don't need in policing, as the police are there
to protect and serve. This was not a police officer arresting someone this was an out of control
punk that the police don't need to keep given the police service a bad name. Sorry but the more
I see and hear, the more this has to be expedited quickly the public here has had enough.
The joke here is we have more to fear the police than bikers on the streets, yes ridicule has set
in, and the tarnish on the brass buttons of the police will be hard to shine off if action is not taken
soon.
 

JLM

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You realize that Mansbridge, Nash, and Kronkite were paid to read what was put in front of them, don't you? That's what a newsreader does - reads the script for the news. You don't think they write it all, or think of the questions, I hope.

And the whole point about juries being 'like you and me' is the cornerstone of our justice system. It's the whole point. That's the foundation of our system. And not one that I would give up, thank you very much.

It's my understanding that the anchors do a lot more than merely read the news, I believe they write it after much research.