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SleepinIn

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What makes me happiest about this is that it comfirms what I thought. I have listened to those people for a year and a half. Thank you, Richard Rushfield.

What is extremely interesting to me is that the only other person (media wise) that really mentioned the vote total being huge in Kris's favour was Billy Bush. Who I often don't like - but who's always been excellent to Kris. I've always thought it was either an extremely large margin or a small margin because I don't remember them ever not mentioning how close or not close it was. It was just fishy. Plus anytime you can knock the crazy vote book - it's good times.

There's something else about him, which is that he seems to have integrity, and that's another thing the audience (I feel) senses. If you're true to who you are, artistsically, and maybe also just if you're someone they feel comfortable wirh, who they can trust, because you seem like a real person.

Yes. David Cook seems to have a core of integrity to him. Not that others don't, but it's really genuine.
 

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Yes. David Cook seems to have a core of integrity to him. Not that others don't, but it's really genuine.

I think he can only be himself. This is like Kris, Kelly, maybe all of them.

What is extremely interesting to me is that the only other person (media wise) that really mentioned the vote total being huge in Kris's favour was Billy Bush. Who I often don't like - but who's always been excellent to Kris. I've always thought it was either an extremely large margin or a small margin because I don't remember them ever not mentioning how close or not close it was. It was just fishy.

I thought the same thing - Billy Bush. I always assumed he knew something (I'm sure these people - Hollywood reporters - hear a lot of inside info) and just said it. Rushfield used the term "extremely significant majority" and said the whole state of Arkansas wouldn't have mattered! Holy crap. That's got to be a huge amount of votes. Amazing. Way to go, my man. :) :) :)

Idol not announcing the vote margin...yes, I also thought either really large or really small, but I tended to think it was large. If it was small, I think they would have announced it, providing they wanted to make it look less like a defeat for Adam, their fave. Do you remember they also announced the Top 3 or Top 4 "in no particular order?" Why? Did the order not come out they way they wanted?

I guess this (the final vote) was one instance where TPTB felt "the voters got it wrong," huh? So they tried to minimze it? In hindsight, that's the only way I can look at it.

Now, of course, if Idol had announced the vote margin on the finale, would that have made Kris seem like much more of a "winner", starting his whole career off on a firmer footing? I have to believe so. And I believe the media would have had to accept his popularity and not question his win so much. The media loves big winning numbers and big winners. But that's all over now. So too friggin' bad about that. It's all good.

Plus anytime you can knock the crazy vote book - it's good times.

Hahaha! True.

Now fasten your seat belts, because I have noticed that when there's some good word about Kris, he will suddenly find himself attacked for something else.
 
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missaddicted

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I think he can only be himself.

Yes, I like that as well about Cook. Also, he seems to be able to adapt to every situations and always find the right thing to say. While maintaining his integrity. He's really mature.

Good! About the Arkansas vote conspiracy. Poor Kelly Kosch (or whatever her name is), her book is all based on a whole bunch of nothing now... not that it was based on anything real before.
 

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Good! About the Arkansas vote conspiracy. Poor Kelly Kosch (or whatever her name is), her book is all based on a whole bunch of nothing now... not that it was based on anything real before.

I saw an old blog the other day, written during season 8, and in the comments section there was Kerry Kolsch, saying basically the same things she said after the season was over. If anyone won other than Adam, the greatest singer ever, there would be hell to pay, because it could not possibly be legit. Everyone in Wisconsin should thank God Gokey lost, or she would have come after them instead. lol

For whomever is interested, I was listening to Kris's song, Leave You Alone (or so we all call it), this morning, and it just blew me away.
That is a really good song! And the emotion as well as the "vocal gymnastics" in that performance were kind of amazing. I said, "wow," two or three times...

I'm now looking forward eagerly to Cook's new music, too.
 

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Elton John, Elton John? Oh yes, he's the fellow who performed at Rush Limbaugh's wedding reception last June. I remember now!
 

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Now, of course, if Idol had announced the vote margin on the finale, would that have made Kris seem like much more of a "winner", starting his whole career off on a firmer footing? I have to believe so. And I believe the media would have had to accept his popularity and not question his win so much. The media loves big winning numbers and big winners. But that's all over now. So too friggin' bad about that. It's all good.
Taylor Hicks won by a large margin, he was the top vote-getter throughout his season and never placed in the bottom three. That didn't make him a media darling.
 

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Taylor Hicks won by a large margin, he was the top vote-getter throughout his season and never placed in the bottom three. That didn't make him a media darling.

I guess in 2006, non-darlings were on the cover of People. What's a media darling? Adam Lambert? I guess he should be getting his People cover any day now.



Since we're going for a trip down memory lane, this is also interesting.



I'm sure revealing his margin of victory was both good publicity for Cook, and closure for the fans. He won without question, he earned it, the end.

You twisted what I said, to suit yor argument. I didn't say that revealing the margin of votes would have made Kris a media darling. (I don't even know what that is, and I doubt it's the goal of many musicians.) I just meant it would have been excellent publicity.

To even imply the media would not have made a lot of it is ridiculous. News like that would have been flashed around the world. Even today, a year and half later, most of Kris's press would still contain a phrase ,"winner of American Idol by the largest number of votes in the show's history," or "by a huge margin." You don't think things like that make a difference? All I can say is, if they don't, why did they keep it a secret?

It certainly wouldn't have made Adam look great. And I assume that was the reason it wasn't revealed. What do you think the reason was?

Kris is going to be singing the national Anthem at a game in Hawaii on the 30th. Lee is supposed to sing it at a Bears game.
 
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CapsuleNeo

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I can't understand why Adam hasn't had a big People cover, can you? Since he's apparently a media darling, and poor Taylor never was.
Taylor appeared on a cover of one magazine. So what? Even untalented nobodies from TEEN MOM can have a People cover :lol: .


Let's face it, when the vote count is not revealed, it's sketchy. What is your theory for why they didn't reveal the S8 vote count? Did they just forget?
They didn't reveal the Season 9 vote count but who cares? Ryan revealed that in Season 7, but as I recall, that’s about the only time it’s ever been done. In Season 2, I seem to remember hearing that the vote between Ruben and Clay was close, but they never revealed official numbers. The thing about the whole “the votes were not close” discussion just got me thinking about the 3rd person in the past few seasons. It’s most likely that Danny’s votes would have gone to Kris, just because Danny and Kris were more simliar type singers. Adam probably had most of his fans, by mid-season because he is different and not everyone’s cup of tea. Danny and Kris were probably splitting votes. That would be the most logical answer to how Adam and Kris would go from only a separation of one million in top 3 votes, to “not that close,” for the Final. It’s probably how most winners won. Most of Melinda’s would go to Jordin, and Elliott’s would go to Taylor. I think, in future predictions, I am going to pay attention to who that 3rd person is.
 

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The thing about the whole “the votes were not close” discussion just got me thinking about the 3rd person in the past few seasons. It’s most likely that Danny’s votes would have gone to Kris, just because Danny and Kris were more simliar type singers. Adam probably had most of his fans, by mid-season because he is different and not everyone’s cup of tea. Danny and Kris were probably splitting votes. That would be the most logical answer to how Adam and Kris would go from only a separation of one million in top 3 votes, to “not that close,” for the Final. It’s probably how most winners won. Most of Melinda’s would go to Jordin, and Elliott’s would go to Taylor. I think, in future predictions, I am going to pay attention to who that 3rd person is.

Okay, but maybe you're missing a few points. Kris had to beat Danny and he had to beat Adam. Kris had to have the votes in place to come out ahead of Danny. So he had the fans to do that.

Then, the next week, he may very well have picked up some of Danny's votes. That's what he would be trying to accomplish, in the first place. That's why the competition isn't over. There are still undecided people out there. It's how most elections are won.

The point is, he managed to do it. And he may have managed to do it at the last minute, for all we know. He had to get all the leftover fan votes. Danny's, Anoop's, Allison's, Matt's. I'm guessing he probably did get a lot of those. There's nothing wrong with that. All that matters is that more people wanted to vote for him than wanted to vote for the other guy. It's quite true that Adam had a loyal fan base, I'm sure. And they probably all voted like mad. But Kris must have had fans all along, to beat Matt and Allison and Danny, didn't he? He kept going, all the way, so he had the votes.

It's not necessarily true that Kris, if he got Danny's votes, got them because he and Danny were especially similar. They're really not, and, I mean, we just don't know. I think (as he himself has said) he just had a broader appeal, to various kinds of fans. I also think he was very inclusive, and always praised the other Idols, or just seemed supportive. I have to say I noticed he did this all the time. I'm sure the fans of those people didn't forget that. When it counted, the majority of fans who had watched the whole season probably voted for him. And of course there are a lot of people who only vote (or watch) the last few weeks.

I also think Kris was unbelievably excited to advance - and kept expressing amazement when he would get the nod from Ryan, and this is exciting. Along with his great performance of Heartless, and I think, the performance of ANS on the last night - I think all this was very, very winning. If you ever see Kris live, he is amazingly charming and winning. This is all part of a performer's equipment and I think he did win over the majority of Idol viewers, that's all.
 
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Idol stats tomorrow! I know we've been hearing about its return for months and months, but I still find it hard to believe that it's already back, LOL!
 

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Ha! Of course, that was supposed to be "Idol Starts tomorrow". LOL, that damn cold is making me stupid! I'm going to bed. *sniff*
 

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Let the games begin!

Gee, with all this talk of needing to find a "supahastah" it seems like whoever wins will be promo'd to the skies, doesn't it? (Or some other contestant?) (Whatever works). Nice for them. At any rate, since AI doesn't seem to like how we vote, I expect there to be a lot of manipulation. What are we voting on, anyway? Did they leave us anyone to vote for or have they chosen everyone already?

One more note: With all the "America sometimes gets it wrong" talk...I've been thinking about Lee. How the show wanted him - especially Simon, but it was obvious Lee was the favorite. So in Lee's case, how did "America" get it wrong? America voted just as the show seemed to be directing them to vote.
 
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It's not airing on my affiliate.

My dance class starts tonight, so I probably won't post before the end of the show. I hope to catch Jim's MTV show at 10 pm, but I'll see if I'm done with the 2 hour-episode by then!
 

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We don't get the Welcome Home thing either, but that's okay since I watched it on Youtube already. Hopefully, we can watch Jim's thing and aren't geoblocked. *sob*

I think there's a lot of interest in Steven Tyler/JLo so I hope they're interesting to watch and they pick some good peeps. *fingers crossed*
 

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We don't get the Welcome Home thing either,

Turns out that I don't, either. I wonder who does? Didn't it air once, already? *confused*

but that's okay since I watched it on Youtube already. Hopefully, we can watch Jim's thing and aren't geoblocked. *sob*

Jim's show is on at 10? Do you mean it's online? Please tell me how I can watch it. (On MTV at 10 is Teen Mom 2).

It looks better here than on YouTube: Welcome Home: Part 1 - Welcome home - American Idol

WATCHING THE SHOW, NOW.

This looks a lot like: same sh*t, different judges.

Any more runs and I may need to go out and buy some Kaopectate.

She's only 15!!! She sucked but she's ONLY FIFTEEN!!! ONLY FIFTEEN, ladies and gents.

ONLY FIFTEEN!!!

Amazing.

He's 16. "ONLY A BABY!" We don't like you if you're past puberty!
 
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