Time For Don Cherry To Give Up The Pro-War Talk

[Trotz]

If Mr Cherry thinks that there's glory in war he should fight himself or give one of his own up for that glory instead of gleefully war mongering on public television, the preening buffoon would send his team over the top to die for the bankers without even the foggiest concept of this Afghan war. He's a piss poor role model for any form of life.

We used to put all the politicians and nobles on horse back where they were exposed to cannon fire, snipers, et al.

I'm thinking Mr. Don Cherry could get a good aerial view on the battlefield from an exposed .50 Caliber Machine Gun position on top of the Leopard I tank, granted he may be taken out by a Taliban sniper but remember honour before life!

 

[earth_as_one]

Sacrifice is thought to result in some ultimate reward, the word we really want is waste. I acknowedge the waste of a portion of this Canadian generation in a blood sacrifice to greed and power. I will never honor waste and murder and war. It's because we do that we are still at war. Their duty is to Canada not to anything else certainly not an imperial war of conquest on the other side of the planet that has no definition or purpose except to extend the rule of money. Make up your mind do you want peace or not?

I disagree.

Soldiers have a duty to follow orders which originate from our elected leaders, unless those orders are illegal (i.e. commit war crimes). Soldiers do not determine foreign policy. That is the responsibility of our elected leaders. The military wouldn't function very well if soldiers were allowed to decide which orders to follow and which ones to ignore.

A soldier risking their lives overseas away from their friends and family is making a sacrifice for their country whether you acknowledge it or not.

I would agree that sometimes our elected leaders abuse their powers. When that happens its up to the electorate to punish them. If you truly believe that our elected leaders are leading Canada in the wrong direction, then its your patriotic duty to work to get them removed from office through participation in Canada's electoral system. But we should never punish soldiers who do their duty and follow their legal orders even if we disagree with those orders.

BTW I have worked on several projects which involved Canadian soldiers and they've never failed to impress me. Their attitude, energy, commitment and dedication is unlike anything I've ever seen in private industry.. I trust and respect the Canadian military far more than our political leaders. Canadians should be proud of our military.

If you want to support Canada's troops, I recommend starting with this website:
CFPSA :: Canadian Forces Personnel Support Agency - Corporate :: Support Our Troops

Don Cherry is bang on.He strongly supports our troops and the job they are doing in Afghanistan.I wish more Canadians were like him.A lot of the dumb @ss comments on this suite make me puke.I can see there are a lot of clueless people making idiot comments here.They haven't got a clue as to what is being done in Afghanistan.Funny I don't see or read any comments about the evil of the Taliban.All of the these gutless wonders who made anti Don Cherry comments, seeing as you are so against the war in Afghanistan then perhaps you should get up off of your lazy @sses and go over there and demand that the Taliban stop their murderous war against the innocent people of Afghanistan.To those who criticize Don Cherry and his support for our troops, bet none of you idiots have ever set foot in Afghanistan, yet you mouth off about something you no nothing about.
Like Don Cherry, I too support our troops and mission in Afghanistan, because I understand why we are there..

Are you certain you understand why we are there? The original mission was to apprehend or neutralize (kill) the people allegedly responsible for the events of 9/11 who were hiding in Afghanistan. Somewhere along the line, our mission changed. Now the mission seems to be a futile attempt to impose by force a Western style democracy and equal rights on Afghans against their will. I doubt that mission will be successful, since the majority of Afghans aren't ready to accept these values.

Every Afghan election since the invasion has been a fraud which only served to prove that President Karzai is better at stuffing ballot boxes than his opponents. This unpopular Western puppet has no mandate to lead Afghans and his influence outside of Kabul is slim to none. Afghan's opium production has flourished under Karzai's corrupt leadership. Afghanistan is about as dangerous now as it was before the invasion. While our military forces can control areas temporarily, as soon as we leave, control returns to the Afghan warlords and various militant groups including the Taliban.

Its about time we recognized we can't defeat the Taliban and other militant groups. As long as we continue to fight them, they will continue to resist. Eventually we will give up, leave and the country will destroy itself. Our current mission in Afghanistan is pointless and wasteful.

It would be far wiser to come to an understanding with the Taliban, other militant groups and war lords regarding any ambitions they might have outside Afghanistan and opium production. We should recognize these groups have significant popular support among Afghans and make peace with them. The sooner we accept that what Afghans do in Afghanistan is their business, the sooner we will stop wasting resources and Canadian lives in an unwinnable war.

BTW, the Taliban weren't our enemy until we went to their part of the world and attacked them. That would make us the hostile foreign invaders who came to their country to impose our values on them by force. I bet you wouldn't like it very much if the Taliban invaded Canada and attempted to impose their values on us by force.

FYI: The Taliban had nothing to do with the events of 9/11 and even condemned it at the time.

September 12, 2001

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Afghanistan's Taliban ambassador to Pakistan has condemned the string of astonishing terrorist attacks on the United States.

"We want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain. We hope the courts find justice," ambassador Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef...
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/11/afghan.taliban/index.html

 

[bill barilko]

Don Cherry is bang on.He strongly supports our troops and the job they are doing in Afghanistan.

Defending the territory controlled by known drug dealers.

I wish more Canadians were like him.

You mean more Marijuana grow ops or harder stuff?

A lot of the dumb @ss comments on this suite make me puke.I can see there are a lot of clueless people making idiot comments here.

Agreed.

They haven't got a clue as to what is being done in Afghanistan.

Comes to that neither do you.

Funny I don't see or read any comments about the evil of the Taliban.

The thread isn't about religious fanatics it's about Canadian troops being used as cannon fodder for the drug dealers who now constitute the Afghani government.

All of the these gutless wonders who made anti Don Cherry comments, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah more & more clueless blather.......
Like Don Cherry, I too support our troops and mission in Afghanistan, because I understand why we are there..

Like Don Cherry you have no clue and have never met an Afghani-a more duplicitous lot it's hard to imagine-like the Canadian politicians who have sold out their own troops.

 

[Chiliagon]

Defending the territory controlled by known drug dealers.


You mean more Marijuana grow ops or harder stuff?


Agreed.


Comes to that neither do you.


The thread isn't about religious fanatics it's about Canadian troops being used as cannon fodder for the drug dealers who now constitute the Afghani government.


Like Don Cherry you have no clue and have never met an Afghani-a more duplicitous lot it's hard to imagine-like the Canadian politicians who have sold out their own troops.

you know what? your disrespect towards those who are not fans of Cherry is pathetic too.

 

[talloola]

I disagree.

If you want to support Canada's troops, I recommend starting with this website:
[BTW, the Taliban weren't our enemy until we went to their part of the world and attacked them. That would make us the hostile foreign invaders who came to their country to impose our values on them by force. I bet you wouldn't like it very much if the Taliban invaded Canada and attempted to impose their values on us by force.

FYI: The Taliban had nothing to do with the events of 9/11 and even condemned it at the time.

The taliban protected and aided binladen and would not co operate at all when asked to turn him over
for 'arrest' for the 911 attacks.

Binladen is not an afghan he is an arab, and several of the 911 attackers were arab, there was no
brotherly reason for taliban to protect binladen.
Taliban and binladen were thick as thieves at that time, and taliban were killing and destroying families
within that country.

They are not true afghans, they are intruders who were interferring with the afghan citizens.
The taliban made a 'huge' error in judgement by siding with 'him', and could have prevented
much bloodshedand had they turned him over to the u.s., they could have resumed
their mean and nasty ways they had with the citizens, so their poor judgement
hurt them, and prevented them from pushing their way into the leadership of the
country.

 

[bill barilko]

you know what? your disrespect towards those who are not fans of Cherry is pathetic too.

You mean the Taleban?

 

[gopher]

All throughout Gopherland we have signs that read, SUPPORT THE TROOPS - BRING THEM HOME!

Maybe that's what he's driving at.

 

[Starscream]

I've always found Cherry to be a pompous ass and general chest puffing blowhard (like Benito Mussollini). His constant cutting off Ron MacLean, and occasional insult to him just puts my view of him even lower.

With that said, there is only ONE quality of his that I like and respect. His complete support for the Canadian troops at home and abroad. From going to CFBs, to bases overseas, to the warzones, and even bringing soldiers on CC (Coach's Corner). Cherry could always be counted on when it came to supporting our guys and gals in uniform. A close friend of mine spent two combat tours in Afghanistan, and he told me that morale over there was very important, and people like Don Cherry helped raise morale which made his tours there a little more bearable. His views on Don Cherry are much like mine and he has no real love for the man, but because of Cherry's unflinching support for The Forces he will always give Don a thumbs up.

 

[Bar Sinister]

If and when I watch Cherry (not very often) I can't help but think of the teacher in Charlie Brown.

Actually he is more like Mr. Garrison in Southpark.

 

[earth_as_one]

The taliban protected and aided binladen and would not co operate at all when asked to turn him over
for 'arrest' for the 911 attacks.

Binladen is not an afghan he is an arab, and several of the 911 attackers were arab, there was no
brotherly reason for taliban to protect binladen.
Taliban and binladen were thick as thieves at that time, and taliban were killing and destroying families
within that country.

They are not true afghans, they are intruders who were interferring with the afghan citizens.
The taliban made a 'huge' error in judgement by siding with 'him', and could have prevented
much bloodshedand had they turned him over to the u.s., they could have resumed
their mean and nasty ways they had with the citizens, so their poor judgement
hurt them, and prevented them from pushing their way into the leadership of the
country.

I'm not sure what you mean by "The taliban protected and aided binladen". There is no evidence that the Taliban had any involvement in the events of 9/11. It doesn't matter whether or not the people the US wanted the Taliban hand over were Afghan citizens or not. The Taliban were responsible for the safety and security of everyone under their jurisdiction, including people accused by a foreign power of a heinous crime. Therefore the US had to make a formal extradition request and the Taliban could legally attach conditions for complying with that request.

Extradition is the official process whereby one nation or state surrenders a suspected or convicted criminal to another nation or state. Between nation states, extradition is regulated by treaties. Where extradition is compelled by laws, such as among sub-national jurisdictions, the concept may be known more generally as rendition.

President Bush’s unconditional demand for bin Laden’s extradition or face war violated international laws and treaties. The Taliban responded to President Bush’s extradition demand by asking to see the evidence linking bin Laden and others to the 9/11 attacks. The US refused.

The Taliban then offered a compromise. They offered to deliver bin Laden to an independent third party for trial. Again the Bush administration refused and re-stated their demand for bin Laden’s extradition was unconditional: Give us bin Laden or else face war.

The US demands were not only arrogant and a violation of international laws and treaties... they were also a double standard.

Consider the case of Jose Posada Carriles. He’s widely suspected of planning the bombing of a Cuban airliner over Venezuelan skies killing 73 people on board. Among the dead were 24 members of Cuba’s national youth fencing team.
Cubana Flight 455 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words, Carriles is a terrorist just like Bin Laden.

Venezuela has repeatedly sought the extradition of Posada to stand trial for this heinous crime. The U.S. government has repeatedly refused to comply with Venzyuela's extradition request claiming that they fear Posada will be tortured if he is returned to Venezuela.

BBC NEWS | Americas | No deportation for Cuban militant

Sure that's possible and a good reason to refuse an extradition request.

What are the odds that if the Taliban handed Bin Laden over to the Bush regime, he'd also face torture and the death penalty?

BTW, Venezuela and the United States have a formal extradition treaty that the US has chosen to violate. The US had no extradition treaty with Taliban government in Afghanistan.

The Taliban’s refusal to comply with Bush’s unconditional extradition request was no different in principle than the U.S. government’s refusal to comply with Venezuela’s extradition request. According to international law, a refusal to comply with an extradition request is not a legally recognized justification for starting a war

The American attack against the Taliban is yet another example of the Bush regime's international lawlessness.

BTW, I do not support the Taliban. I support observing international laws and treaties and holding all nations to the same standard. In this case, if the US had acted legally and accepted the Taliban's compromise offer to hand him over to an independent third party for trial, bin Laden would probably be serving life in prison somewhere, a pointless war in Afghanistan could have been avoided, and Don Cherry would be just talking about hockey every Saturday night on Coach's Corner rather than paying his respects to yet another fallen Canadian soldier.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Time for the censors to work on a countering argument instead of trying to muffle that which they disagree with.

Andem I demand everyone who disagrees with my position be kicked of CC.

 

[Unforgiven]

And no more saying fat!

 

[DaSleeper]

Or Bald!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Time for the censors to work on a countering argument instead of trying to muffle that which they disagree with.

Andem I demand everyone who disagrees with my position be kicked of CC.

If everyone disagreed with your position was kicked off CC that would suck because Carrot Top would be the only member left.. :smile:

 

[talloola]

I'm not sure what you mean by "The taliban protected and aided binladen". There is no evidence that the Taliban had any involvement in the events of 9/11. It doesn't matter whether or not the people the US wanted the Taliban hand over were Afghan citizens or not. The Taliban were responsible for the safety and security of everyone under their jurisdiction, including people accused by a foreign power of a heinous crime. Therefore the US had to make a formal extradition request and the Taliban could legally attach conditions for complying with that request.

President Bush’s unconditional demand for bin Laden’s extradition or face war violated international laws and treaties. The Taliban responded to President Bush’s extradition demand by asking to see the ----

Of course there was no way the u.s. could provide written proof of bin laden's guilt, but as we all know
it was proved over time, and I know the
taliban were not directly responsible for 911 attacks, but they did protect bin laden and sided with
him against the u.s. And of course there is a big grey area in 'actual' proof, at that time immediately
after the attack.
If the taliban had stopped for a minute and thought about what they could have prevented by turning him
over to the u.s., they might have acted differently, I mean did they actually think this would blow
over, this was a republican government in power, not clinton.

They made a huge mistake, as they would have had the intelligence and information to be able to grab
bin laden, and turn him over, but they chose to have the country bombed.

What was it to them to turn over an arab and his buddies to the u.s., he wasn't one of them, he was
a runaway from his own country, turned out by his own government.


The taliban had bullied their way into acting as though they were the power in the country, but the
actual leadership was (and I forget his name), anyway, the fellow who the taliban shot and killed a
short time later. He was the actual afghan leader, and they were in a war with the taliban, and the
u.s. joined he and his followers and fought together against the taliban and bin laden,till 'he' was killed.

It is a long time after the events now, and I have forgotton names.

 

[ironsides]

There were a lot of mistakes made, if we had not gone into Iraq till the Afghanistan mission was over. It was estimated that bin Laden would have been captured or killed within 6 months if we had just stayed after him, we were so close. He is not so important now.

 

[Johnnny]

Kick him out of coachs corner??????? You cant take stuff away from people who express their opinions..... He supports our soliders and is vocal about it. As far as im concerned he is the Man

 

[Rockhead]

If your not a fan of Cherry's then your a traitor.

Plain and simple.

The guys about as pro Canadian as it gets.

The war is b.s. we all know that. Nothing more than a hand job to the states.

Cherry has NEVER said he supports the war. He supports the troops.

Anyone that can't see that is mentally retarded.

 

[In Between Man]

Don Cherry is going over the top in "supporting the troops".

What about FREE SPEECH!!! Let the man speak!

 

[talloola]

There were a lot of mistakes made, if we had not gone into Iraq till the Afghanistan mission was over. It was estimated that bin Laden would have been captured or killed within 6 months if we had just stayed after him, we were so close. He is not so important now.

yeah, bush made a very poor choice, proved how incapable he was at being a leader of any sort, that
choice escalated the afghanistan war, and started a new war in iraq, where they never should have
gone.