Gun Toting Americans Shooting Themselves Up Again

[Tonington]

So I guess you're in favour of censoring the video game industry?

No. I'm in favour of media sources toning it down. They are speaking about real people. People with names, who live in real places, and have families. A video game is bits and bytes.

 

[Kreskin]

Would it be fair if there was a WII game called shoot Sarah Palin?

 

[CDNBear]

Don't be a fool. A federal politican inciting revolution using images of crosshairs and words of "reload..aim etc" is different than using a playstation.

Do you actually think that is the exact context of her commentary?

No. I'm in favour of media sources toning it down. They are speaking about real people. People with names, who live in real places, and have families. A video game is bits and bytes.

Your point?

One uses a combative commentary to exaggerate a point. The other nullifies the act of killing.

As soon as you start applying that blame equally, I'll start taking your politicizing of a tragic event seriously.

 

[Tonington]

Your point?

Reality?

 

[CDNBear]

Would it be fair if there was a WII game called shoot Sarah Palin?

No, but it would be fair if you applied your outrage in a more equal manner.

I still can't remember you jumping up and down calling for the arrest of anyone that posted pics of GWB with a cross hair over his pic.

Actually, I do remember a thread not to long ago, in which you actually called for the killing of some person or group, I think it was the Taliban.

Should you be charged?

Reality?

So you actually believe her commentary was meant to be taken as a call for murder?

I know you don't. That was a rhetorical question and you're really much smarter than that.

But the fact remains, video games contribute more to the degradation of moral codes, when it comes to violence, then the political hackery of either political spectrum.

I could just as easily blame Obama for failing to implement gun control. I wouldn't, not because it isn't germane to the act, but because it's as absurd as blaming the left or the right.

Making this a political football, does the victims a serious injustice and simply absolves the criminal of accountability.

 

[Kreskin]

No, but it would be fair if you applied your outrage in a more equal manner.

I still can't remember you jumping up and down calling for the arrest of anyone that posted pics of GWB with a cross hair over his pic.

Actually, I do remember a thread not to long ago, in which you actually called for the killing of some person or group, I think it was the Taliban.

Should you be charged?

So you actually believe her commentary was meant to be taken as a call for murder?

I know you don't. That was a rhetorical question and you're really much smarter than that.

But the fact remains, video games contribute more to the degradation of moral codes, when it comes to violence, then the political hackery of either political spectrum.

I could just as easily blame Obama for failing to implement gun control. I wouldn't, not because it isn't germane to the act, but because it's as absurd as blaming the left or the right.

Making this a political football, does the victims a serious injustice and simply absolves the criminal of accountability.

Her call and commentary is what it is. How is it not? Perhaps she can point out everything she says and does that isn't meant to mean what it says and promotes. If she is satirist she should disclose that. Not everyone is a mind reader.

Any Dem politicians who promote violence against Reps should be tried as well.

 

[Tonington]

So you actually believe her commentary was meant to be taken as a call for murder?

Of course not, I was explicit when I said I didn't in my post...and this is actually a good example of what I'm talking about. You couldn't resist slipping in a rhetorical question.

But the fact remains, video games contribute more to the degradation of moral codes, when it comes to violence, then the political hackery of either political spectrum.

Contentious. I don't even know how you could objectively measure that.

Making this a political football, does the victims a serious injustice and simply absolves the criminal of accountability.

I'm not making this political, in fact I've multiple times now expressed my view that the polit-wonks should all dial it back. Of course Loughner is the shooter, and will be going to trial for his life, but a $hit disturber is still a $hit disturber.

 

[CDNBear]

Her call and commentary is what it is. How is it not? Perhaps she can point out everything she says and does that isn't meant to mean what it says and promotes. If she is satirist she should disclose that. Not everyone is a mind reader.

Any Dem politicians who promote violence against Reps should be tried as well.

I think you're stretching things here for effect.

I think your far smarter than that.

She's as responsible for this crime, as I am.

 

[Kreskin]

Palin should be brought to justice.

United States Code: Title 18,2385. Advocating overthrow of Government | LII / Legal Information Institute

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

How does that not apply to her?

 

[CDNBear]

Of course not, I was explicit when I said I didn't in my post...and this is actually a good example of what I'm talking about. You couldn't resist slipping in a rhetorical question.

She told her supporters to reload as well...

I guess we all have our weaknesses.

Contentious. I don't even know how you could objectively measure that.

I can actually pick out which kids in a group play murderous video games, and which ones don't.

I don't know why it's so hard for mental health professionals to do.

I'm not making this political, in fact I've multiple times now expressed my view that the polit-wonks should all dial it back.

I beg to differ.

Of course Loughner is the shooter, and will be going to trial for his life, but a $hit disturber is still a $hit disturber.

Agreed.

He's going to get a lethal injection...but I think it's far past time that the talking heads sit back and ponder a bit. Their political opponents are people too. There's no need to call for the death of someone on the air, no need to call opponents Nazis, no need to say someone is hell bent on destroying Canada/America, whatever.

I'd agree, but I don't see it the way you do. I see it as hyperbole. But then again, I'm fairly well balanced.

Maybe the blame you seem to be attaching to politicians, should be attached over their lack of funding to mental health, or the way they vote on issues such as forced mental heath care.

There are impressionable people out there, and they don't need any form of encouragement towards violence or sociopathic actions.

So you believe in censorship then?

How does that not apply to her?

Because in the context she was using, she meant voting them out.

And you know that.

 

[Kreskin]

I think she's as much of a nutbar as the guy who did the shooting. Always have. The context is par for her course.

 

[Colpy]

What baloney.

Shoot. I am disgusted at this entire argument. You guys have completely misfired, and I aim to kill off your argument lock, stock, and barrel. You have made yourselves an easy target, and have given me enough ammo to blow you right out of the water. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Get my point?? Here is a little help.

IT'S THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE! It is full of firearms references that are NOT in anyway intended as a call to arms, nor can they be interpreted that way by anyone in this dimension.......which this guy was NOT.

Get over it.

Damn it, next thing you know you'll be wanting to re-write Mark Twain.

Can we just blame the guy that did the shooting?

GEEZUS!

I think she's as much of a nutbar as the guy who did the shooting. Always have. The context is par for her course.

And therein lies the problem.

I think Sara Palin is a bit of a joke, but these accusations and innuendo are completely out of line, and (I dare say) would not be AIMED at anyone else, and certainly no Democrat would be TARGETED in this way.

Can we just blame the guy that did the shooting?

 

[Kreskin]

Yes, it's all coining phrases.

 

[CDNBear]

What baloney.

What can I say, the economy is tight and baloney is cheap...

Can we just blame the guy that did the shooting?

Good idea.

Personal accountability and responsibility, isn't something the left understand though...

Sorry, I couldn't resist that, I kid, I kid.

 

[Colpy]

Yes, it's all coining phrases.

Weak, my friend, very very weak.

You have a problem now with Americans exercising their Second Amendment rights? It is now Palin's fault because she is a shooter?

Then I guess I had best turn myself in too.

How about we just blame it on the guy that pulled the trigger????????????

 

[Kreskin]

Vice presidential candidate and former Alaskan governor Sarah Palin has been granted a temporary restraining order against 18-year-old Shawn Christy for buying a gun and then sending her the receipts.

Sarah Palin Meets a Gun Owner She Doesn?t Like |

 

[DaSleeper]

I'm wondering how this conversation would change should it come out that this nut was a registered Democrat?...

A lot of people assume that he was a Palin supporter................

Time will tell

 

[CDNBear]

Time will tell

It won't change a thing.

 

[Cannuck]

I agree. But I also think intense background checks, mental screening and extensive training should be a prerequisite to owning a hand gun.

..and who is going to do that....the government? The guy selling the gun?

 

[CDNBear]

Sarah Palin Meets a Gun Owner She Doesn?t Like |

Your point?

..and who is going to do that....the government? The guy selling the gun?

Ever heard of a PAL? The process should include the aforementioned requirements.

Any other stupid questions?