It's hard to explain to many people that the Bible belongs to the same genre as "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" and "Little Red Ridinghood"- Personally I don't find that a difficult concept. :lol:
Further Explanations for Ancient Flood Myth
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It's hard to explain to many people that the Bible belongs to the same genre as "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" and "Little Red Ridinghood"- Personally I don't find that a difficult concept. :lol:
Oh OK- I guess it's just an opinion where we'll have to agree to disagree.
I don't discriminate against races, just behaviour- settling differences with machetes isn't racial just mean. :lol:
You have that right- but if you notice one little thing, my insults are always preceded by other insults. Do you think you didn't just insult Dexter? (Who by the way generally puts out well reasoned posts)
Can you all please just drop the reciprocal personal attacks? It's tedious at
best, and contributes zero to the Thread, and is behavior beneath you all.
best, and contributes zero to the Thread, and is behavior beneath you all.
I wouldn't go that far, except insofar as none of them are to be taken literally. The Bible is myth and metaphor (but that's not a knock against it) to a degree that Goldilocks and Little Red are not. I've said something like this elsewhere here but it bears repeating. Its myths and metaphors are about the universals of human experience, it contains much wisdom and knowledge about human psychology and our strengths and weaknesses, our joys and griefs, and the great mysteries of life, which it doesn't explain but discusses with intelligence and understanding. In particular I would direct people's attention to Ecclesiastes and Job. The Bible is one of the great books of our literature, it's necessary to understanding much of that literature and indeed the world we live in, it has shaped much of it, for both good and ill. I think no person ignorant of the Bible can claim to be educated, it's essential reading and well worth careful study, and I wish I knew it better than I do. But it's also one of the largest and most complex books of our literature, so it's hard, and takes a lot of time.
I follow you Dex- I was over simplifying in my comparison. What gets me is often a person will pound away at the literal meaning of a single verse, not realizing it is simply a metaphor. One example somewhere in the Old Testament "A day is to a thousand years as a thousand years is to a day". Puts a different slant on the theory the world is 5000 years old.
That's the buzz about the bus, I mean Ark. Is that the bases for permaculture landscaping these days? Learn about the old methods and do the same, on a much smaller scale if we want to observe change in our lifetime.Where did the halite dome come from? Very simple. 5999 years and 364 days ago continents rose out the oceans which created several inland seas, as rain washed the halites out of the rocks into masses called evaporates. These evaporates were then covered over by sediments as the rains and aeolian forces kept eroding the granitic continents. Since halite isn't as dense as the surrounding country rock it pushes it's way out from the depths creating salt domes. Utah has some amazing sandstone and metamorphic strata that are overlaid by basaltic extrusions and pyroclastics during the formation of the Nor Am cordillera which makes up the Sierra Nevadas and Rocky mtns as the pacific plate slide under the continental shelf. The ancient metamorphic provides Utah with a good income from the uranium formed under the intense heat, pressure and depth required to create such beautiful rock.
Ever been to Utah? There are some fantastic road cuts on Rte 24 that show wild faults and folds. If you ever do, stop and split open a rock sometime and give it a lick. It's still salty.
Hoodoo you think you are trying to fool?
Are archives where Noah kept the bees?
Noah would have followed the retreat of the water. The freezing points would move further north as the sheets retreated. Some ancient sites in Turkey are showing that stone circles existed that far back. One vid I recently watched said the builders valued the site so much they buried it when they 'abandoned' the site. Think about this, this stone circle with 15 ton stones with hand carving is buries under a pile of sand and small rocks. Noah's food is said to last just short of 200 days of still water. That would soak into the ground quite far before the current started to flow, moving all that saturated soil with ease. Leave the top speed at a certain low speed and those stones might show some sort of sandblast weathering that you would find in flowing river bottoms. The age they are dating it at is in the 10's of 1,000. How odd that one of the Authors was also one that was watching a welder seal up the 'proposed tomb of Jesus'. I never did find out if their 'welders flash' the next day was taken as a 'religious experience'. lol
Since this is in the general area of the Snake River Canyon, and that canyon is said to have been created via 2 miles of mountains eroding is it fair to say that is where the salt came from. Any other means would have had it perk up from below the surface. If the snowball effect ever existed it had a method that the ice retreated. Heat from below and 1km of ice on top makes for some very hot water and under that sort of pressure it might promote further cracking and that means access to even hotter rock. Soot and gasses would have made it to the surface at some point an that would result in the sun adding more heat.
If the ice was 1km thick and it formed from water on the earth would the ice be clear or cloudy? How much heat did the earth have to expend to heat up all the water we have now to it's current temperature from when snowball came from deep space where it is several 100deg below. Would that process result in a gentle cooling yet at an almost impossible rate. Take for instance the rocks came first and then it was spinning and rocking so the liquids would form into layers according to its particular density and depth. That is how we got all those beautiful banded rocks. they were molten in that same banding and then snow from above came down as a gentle falling rather than making big splashes. In just a few years there was a light covering of snow that cooled those bands in their original colors so it was like putty that got bent just before it became cool enough to be a rock. In that case would the ice be crystal clear or cloudy. Clear ice would allow sunlight to get down to the rock, promoting growth of mouldy things. Cooling at that speed made the early crust shrink and buckle to a very small degree. The Rockies was at a much later date, 400M years later.
If stuff like that can happen, and does, why does 22ft of rain in 40 days seem so outlandish? Being nobody was over 22ft tall says a lot about didn't make it through. Just enough to get the job done.
Bottlenecks are known to have happened in the past and each 'island' on the earth could have had several, some related to what the other 'islands' experienced and some disasters only affected them. Flooding like the one that created the Black Sea most likely is the same way the Med became salty even before that time. That Strait has a trench that goes 50km back into the Atlantic, that is how fast that water was eroding the seafloor when the water was raised less than 1km.
I've never feigned innocence, I know perfectly well you find some of my views insulting, given your beliefs and attitudes I'd be surprised if you didn't, and frankly I think you should. But I don't see any reason to soft-pedal them here just because somebody might be insulted or offended, if I worried about never offending anyone I'd never say anything. I've been deliberately inflammatory only once here, when a series of direct personal attacks made me angry, but Ron the Mod wisely removed that series of posts by both parties. (Kinda too bad, in a way, some of them were pretty clever, on both sides.) How people respond is up to them, not me.
I was pretty sure you would. It was you I responded to, but that was really directed at everybody. I think it's a point that cannot be made too often, it's essential to making sense of things. Biblical literalism leads to nothing but confusion and strained rationalizations.
I thought that that was the point of being on a forum - to give our opinions on various subjects. We all reach our opinions based on our beliefs and experiences in life. If others disagree, at least to me, they have that right just as I have a right to my opinion. I really don't understand why some people feel that someone's opinion is offensive or insulting. It like telling someone they have made you angry. Nobody can make anybody angry, especially when that was not the intention in the first place. But people feel invalidated if someone has a different belief or opinion than their and then the insults start to fly. It is all rather childish and insecure.
You have no idea what I think of it, but I do think there's no basis for rational conversation with people who view any challenge to their beliefs as an insult. I think your beliefs are false, that's all, and I see no reason not to say so or argue against them in a public forum.
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything but that isn't quite how it goes. There are many that would agree with you.
The saying come from the NT. Peter is relaying information about the 1,000 year period that will be first mentioned in a book after he wrote this down. The 2nd reference is to Judgment Day, it actually lasts a full 1,000 years (our time) as many people are interviewed. If 6 billion people are to be 'interviewed' each one would get about 1/2 sec. Just about time to read out the name. That just being fast and efficient and in all fairness, He is reading from a book. The writing in was done earlier.
With that taken away from you what does it mean now, the earth is 6 days old. We could use 10,000 as the OT uses that as it's largest base number. (after that it was multiplied to describe 100,000)
You also most likely have the time based on what was established only on day 4. And you accuse God of taking 'liberties'. lol Life on land,sea, and air was in 3 'steps'. All stopped at the end of day 6, by that time the world was as we know it. Each had a different beginning 'date' and the first is metioned first even if it was not the most important.
I haven't changed any of my answers, sharpened a few maybe. If I can find an old earth creation site I like I will post a link. That it allows for earth to evolve at a slow rate (which is actually the same rate as it has been moving for the last 6,000 years) that doesn't alter the fact that is a 'seed bank' for an explosion of life once we are on the new earth. Once the 'burst is over' life will evolve at the same rate it does today in terms of growth.
I have no wish to start a new thread about this specific topic but have you ever considered the point the words below, there is a real effort on (in some places) to try and scoop up x-christians and have them join Judeaism. There is nothing wrong with the NT, we have a very poor understanding as everybody is paraphrasing what it says, most times very badly. If you get an offer for a tour of the Holy Land it is worth it if you want to see the land. The words in the book might mean more sitting at home and learning about it first. My guidebook says the Dead Sea will be made into a fresh water pond. Showing up an ysooner is tempting fate.
Has anybody been prompting Dex on how to handle the xmas dinner with the RCC in-laws? Might I suggest NOT asking if God is relating to the 1st letter to a Church in Revelation as being the Pope who is said to have left his first love. Lead upto that point (at your own risk) by getting the RCC's version of what leaven in the Church is and how it should be dealth with. If they are real Christians it will help them break that 'hold' while still being able to hold to belief in Jesus. Paul isn't kidding that remaining in a knowingly corrupt Church is not something God approves of and you really can get sent to hell for staying in that Church. 1Cor.5 is the right place to start for that topic.
I've pretty much covered all the flood, creation, whole OT in just this one post. Maybe just this one point. When the Apostles were freaking out about being out on open water in a storm was Juesus running up the face of tall waves and sliding down on others?
I feel like I have an egg-stain on my chin. You can rub it but it just won't go away.
It's called growing some skin. In some situations you want to remain on target, the other 99% of the time you should be able to do both. On a forum it's about 103% of the time.
(called ability to edit in case you question the math)
Really, some people visit every Christian thread out there. Are they better/worse than the ones who spend $50,000 / yr proving to others how christian they are. I prefer one brand over the others and everyone of them gets as pissed as any heathen I've ever met, here or elsewhere.