What to do about global warming

Avro

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Bummer. What do solar panels have to do with falsly monetizing a gas and restricting growth for the 85% of the planet who are subsistance farmers. Do you know what those people do at night instead of sitting around a lit room with a TV on? They sleep.

What are you on?
 

petros

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Spaghetti is better than perpetuation of the CO2 bull**** flung far and wide.

BTW the way it is spaghetti made with monsanto semolina.
 

Skatchie

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There are things to do about it. We need to make the switch to biodegradable plastics. That's essential. We need to switch to hemp from cotton for clothing and for paper. That would save on trees and provide more land for food because hemp is more efficient than cotton. Get rid of bio fuels, they are a waste of time. Stop globalization because the standards for manufacturing are better here than over there, if you really believe Carbon is doing anything anyways. Make productive infrastructure improvements across the nation with transit and speed trains. Continue finding ways to get power from dumps and expand it. Continue to find ways to bring solar and wind further along and get rid of the NIMBY crowd. Until all of these things are done it is not necessary to go to a cap and trade or a carbon tax.
 

mentalfloss

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The only thing that will get rid of cap and trade or a carbon tax is if businesses are regulated to reduce emissions and forced to make alternate investments now.
 

Avro

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Powering the third world with water and sun


Sun Catalytix — an energy storage and renewable fuels company — founded by a Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor, Daniel Nocera, has attracted funding from the wealthy Tata Group, a powerful Indian corporation known for it’s innovative Nano automobile, to develop a solar powered generator that would be
affordable to a large segment of rural poor throughout the third world.

Nocera and his colleagues announce a process two years ago that captured sunlight in manner similar to plant photosynthesis. A press release described the original discovery.

Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera’s lab, have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the sun’s energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen may be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power your house or your electric car, day or night.”

At the time, MIT produced a video that explained the discovery -

YouTube - Energy from Sunlight

Since then, Nocera and Postdoc fellow Mathew Kanan have refined the process, discarding some of the more expensive exotic metals originally required.
The Business-Standard of India reported that Ralf Speth, CEO of Jaguar Land Rover (a Tata company), is on the board of the new company, Ratan Tata, CEO of Tata Sons,
is a co-owner, and the group has pumped at least 9.5 million USD, and possibly much more, into the new company.
The system will be able to use water from any source, even waste water, to produce hydrogen and oxygen, which can be stored easily in tanks, and utilized as a power source for a fuel cell immediately, or during times when solar energy is not available.
Planning on a launch in the next 18 months, the group hopes to market a system that will suit the needs and budget of millions of homes and villages in India and the third world.
 

Unforgiven

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Where is their hydrogen car?

Why do they need one?

The greenhouse aquaculture is a great system and one that should be utilized far more in urban areas. Makes me want to talk to the fish mongers in Kensington and St Lawrence markets. It would work just fine even in the winter with supplemental lighting. I've been playing with fish and live filtration for years and years now and can tell you it's not terribly difficult to operate.
 

Trotz

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There are things to do about it. We need to make the switch to biodegradable plastics. That's essential. We need to switch to hemp from cotton for clothing and for paper. That would save on trees and provide more land for food because hemp is more efficient than cotton. Get rid of bio fuels, they are a waste of time. Stop globalization because the standards for manufacturing are better here than over there, if you really believe Carbon is doing anything anyways. Make productive infrastructure improvements across the nation with transit and speed trains. Continue finding ways to get power from dumps and expand it. Continue to find ways to bring solar and wind further along and get rid of the NIMBY crowd. Until all of these things are done it is not necessary to go to a cap and trade or a carbon tax.

Indeed. We certainty need a major overhaul on our train infastructure. The fact that we are still on the standard gauge of 4.5 feet demonstrates that much hasn't changed in that regard since the 1890s.


HIppies' protesting aside,
we could create a green nuclear-powered double-deck train circuit operating on a 100 foot gauge connecting the major metropolitans. In theory, sounds like an economics nightmere, but wouldn't be as carrying capacity would be as high as 8,000 and thus you wouldn't need multiple vehicles operating the same route.

But I'm just thinking about the longterm future. After all, you have Ontarians like Doug Saunders who is convinced that we need 100 million people living in Canada. Heck, there's probably individuals in Government who would have 1 billion people living in Canada if they could.
 

Skatchie

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Indeed. We certainty need a major overhaul on our train infastructure. The fact that we are still on the standard gauge of 4.5 feet demonstrates that much hasn't changed in that regard since the 1890s.


HIppies' protesting aside,
we could create a green nuclear-powered double-deck train circuit operating on a 100 foot gauge connecting the major metropolitans. In theory, sounds like an economics nightmere, but wouldn't be as carrying capacity would be as high as 8,000 and thus you wouldn't need multiple vehicles operating the same route.

But I'm just thinking about the longterm future. After all, you have Ontarians like Doug Saunders who is convinced that we need 100 million people living in Canada. Heck, there's probably individuals in Government who would have 1 billion people living in Canada if they could.

high speed rail is something needs to happen irregardless of your political view on GW. And getting Bombardier to build it and build it here would be a good economic idea for us anyways. I, personally, believe Canada can sustain many more people than we have. I am not qualified to put a number on it. I would say that the problem is that we aren't reproducing ourselves enough as it is, and so we are so reliant on immigration and that's nasty in today's world. Tripling our population would take immigration too and we wouldn't recognize our own country if we did it. We need to encourage people to start screwing more, hahaha.

I would say to make sure the Catholic church regains much of it's power so more children are born but they might even be changing their views on birth control as we speak. Heaven forbid. jk

The only thing that will get rid of cap and trade or a carbon tax is if businesses are regulated to reduce emissions and forced to make alternate investments now.

As opposed to the plan most people that fund the green movement have of just making sure it's economic suicide to do so forcing them to be even bigger polluters in Asia. The problem with regulation is that you can't drive them to go to unregulated markets with it or it defeats it's own purpose. Also, forcing them to make alternative investments sounds awfully totalitarian of you. You know who is "forced" to make investments in today's world? the Russian oligarchs. You can't force investment and you can't over regulate. There needs to be a balance.

That and if you got your wish they wouldn't stop carbon tax anyways because the plan from the international banks is to use carbon tax to collect on the debts they've sold the world. That's why the family that is most associated with being thought of as the actual owners of the world's private federal reserves in most Western countries, the Rothschilds, are so financially tied to the Climate Change movement.

It's one of those things that sounds good but in reality it is regressive. Sort of like calling something a "Patriot Act" when it gets rid of liberty and destroys the rights that real patriots value. It's along those lines. Call it a carbon tax, sure, but where does it go? It's not like somebody is collecting it and planting trees. They are planning to collect it and offer nothing in the way of environmental measures in things they are financially backing. That's why Dion's carbon based tax scheme was shut down by the big banks. They want the profits, not the government, which is supposed to be the people.

I think there are political agendas at work that we don't address enough here.