US Election - Or Elect a Wacko

[ironsides]

The article pretty much sums up what happened in the elections and what will possibly happen. I do not think there will be the gridlock she predicts in Congress, more of a civilized discussion without any particular politician (except President Obama, I don't think he will ever learn) trying to tell us what they want rather than what the majority of Americans want.

 

[YukonJack]

The only bright thing about Harry reid being re-elected is that at least the Senate Majority Leader is not Chuck Shumer!

Reid is basically a wuss, and will collapse in any - hopefully all - pressure from the increased Republican minority. Who, BTW, should replace Mitch NcConnell as "leader".

 

[DaSleeper]

In '94 it took several months for Clinton to shift to the center, while he was an ideologue he was also a savy politician having been Governor of a state...

Not so easy with Obama, he will have to be pulled kicking and screaming after he starts looking like an obstructionist for vetoing too many bills from the house

 

[Kreskin]

This is all very good news. I very much look forward to 5% unemployment and a balanced budget within 6 months.

 

[ironsides]

There is still talk of Chuck Schumer replacing Harry Reid as Senate Majority Leader, they will vote on it in January.


I never followed Mitch McConnell that much, but I see no reason why he couldn't stay on as Minority Leader, but this time with much more clout.


No matter what or how anyone feels about Ann Coulter, she has gotten rich from her right wing comments, and says things that does irk the left.

This is all very good news. I very much look forward to 5% unemployment and a balanced budget within 6 months.

Aren't we all.

 

[mentalfloss]

This is all very good news. I very much look forward to 5% unemployment and a balanced budget within 6 months.

:lol:

Rove Groups are the biggest spenders this election.. how surprising...

Republican-leaning groups spent $167 million between Sept. 1 and Oct. 31 in support of their party’s nominees, compared with $68 million by Democratic-leaning organizations, Federal Election Commission reports show.

In the 10 races that the Republican groups spent the most money on, the party entered the winner’s circle six times, with the U.S. Senate race in Washington still too close to call. Among the winners, all Republicans: Senate candidates Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania and Mark Kirk in Illinois, and former Nevada state Senator Joe Heck in a Las Vegas-area congressional district.

Public Citizen, a Washington-based advocacy group that supports stronger campaign finance laws, found that 58 of 74 winners benefited from more outside spending than their opponents.

The outside groups spent $18 million in September and October on the Colorado Senate race between incumbent Democrat Michael Bennet and Republican challenger Ken Buck. That’s more than the $14 million both candidates spent through Oct. 13. Bennet, who claimed victory yesterday, spent almost $8 million more than Buck; Republican groups spent $4 million more than Democratic organizations.

American Crossroads discloses its donors and Crossroads GPS doesn’t. The two groups, advised by Rove, who was President George W. Bush’s chief political strategist, spent $38 million, more than any other organization -- and all of it went to help elect Republican candidates. Crossroads officials regularly met with representatives of allied groups, such as American Action Network, to plan strategy.

Rove Groups, U.S. Chamber Build Winning Record in Elections - BusinessWeek

 

[Walter]

With the Tea Party - Freaks are US - How many will get the nod or the Hanging Tree?

Bigot.

 

[Icarus27k]

Reid is basically a wuss, and will collapse in any - hopefully all - pressure from the increased Republican minority. Who, BTW, should replace Mitch NcConnell as "leader".

I think it will be easier for the Senate Dems to make up excuses for not passing anything. With the gold standard knowledge Americans have shown about how Congress works, they'll believe Reid if he were to say, "We can't pass anything because you, voters, took away our manageable majority by electing a bunch of Republicans. Sorry."

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Gopher

A little History lesson on US History from a Canadian.

US President 1861 James Buchanan - Democrat - His leadership and I use that loosely as hell directly led to the Civil War - Lincoln - Republican won it

1933 to 1945 - led and prepared the US for War with Germany - Democrat - FDR - Great man

Timeline for US involvement in Vietnam

http://www.landscaper.net/timelin.htm

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]10 Aug 50 - First shipload of U.S. arms aid to pro-French Vietnam arrives[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]1951 - U.S. military aid amounted to more than $500 million by 1951[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]7 May 54 - Viet Minh overrun French fortress at Dien Bien Phu[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]8 Sep 54 - Eight nations sign U.S.-sponsored SEATO treaty[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends the first U.S. advisers to South Vietnam to train the South Vietnamese Army[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are "involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina"[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]8 July 59 - Two Americans are killed and one wounded during a Viet Minh attack 20 miles north of Saigon[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]13 May 61 - President Kennedy orders 100 "special forces" troops to S. Vietnam[/FONT]

Carried on by Johnson - Democrat

Ended by Nixon - Republican.

Tsk Tsk Tsk - Such a shame that people do not know their own countries history then blame one thing like all wars on one party - Such a shame.
Now sit Ubu Sit. Good Democrat

Nixon ended Vietnam?

It was Congress that blocked funding any more involvement in the war, Nixon widened it into Cambodia and Laos and neglected to tell anyone about it.

The invasion of Panama- A republican war to oust a former CIA client.
The first Gulf War- A republican war that started after ambassador April Glaspie left Saddam with the impression the US wouldn't oppose his "reunification" of Kuwait with Iraq. Another US client from the Reagan days.
The Second Gulf War more accurtely called the Halliburton conflict- No weapons of mass destruction so it only really makes sense when you look at who profited from it, again a lot of republican insiders pop up. You had to be a Republican fatihful just to get a job in the Coalition administration of the country after the invasion.

 

[Cliffy]

Just shows to go ya, that history is just his story. Facts take a back seat to personal bias in war, politics and religion. Who ya gonna call? Myth busters!

 

[Kreskin]

:lol:

Rove Groups are the biggest spenders this election.. how surprising...

Republican-leaning groups spent $167 million between Sept. 1 and Oct. 31 in support of their party’s nominees, compared with $68 million by Democratic-leaning organizations, Federal Election Commission reports show.

In the 10 races that the Republican groups spent the most money on, the party entered the winner’s circle six times, with the U.S. Senate race in Washington still too close to call. Among the winners, all Republicans: Senate candidates Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania and Mark Kirk in Illinois, and former Nevada state Senator Joe Heck in a Las Vegas-area congressional district.

Public Citizen, a Washington-based advocacy group that supports stronger campaign finance laws, found that 58 of 74 winners benefited from more outside spending than their opponents.

The outside groups spent $18 million in September and October on the Colorado Senate race between incumbent Democrat Michael Bennet and Republican challenger Ken Buck. That’s more than the $14 million both candidates spent through Oct. 13. Bennet, who claimed victory yesterday, spent almost $8 million more than Buck; Republican groups spent $4 million more than Democratic organizations.

American Crossroads discloses its donors and Crossroads GPS doesn’t. The two groups, advised by Rove, who was President George W. Bush’s chief political strategist, spent $38 million, more than any other organization -- and all of it went to help elect Republican candidates. Crossroads officials regularly met with representatives of allied groups, such as American Action Network, to plan strategy.

Rove Groups, U.S. Chamber Build Winning Record in Elections - BusinessWeek

That's the way it goes. I think Obama spent more money in his campaign that every western politician combined in history.

 

[Goober]

Nixon ended Vietnam?

It was Congress that blocked funding any more involvement in the war, Nixon widened it into Cambodia and Laos and neglected to tell anyone about it.

The invasion of Panama- A republican war to oust a former CIA client.
The first Gulf War- A republican war that started after ambassador April Glaspie left Saddam with the impression the US wouldn't oppose his "reunification" of Kuwait with Iraq. Another US client from the Reagan days.
The Second Gulf War more accurtely called the Halliburton conflict- No weapons of mass destruction so it only really makes sense when you look at who profited from it, again a lot of republican insiders pop up. You had to be a Republican fatihful just to get a job in the Coalition administration of the country after the invasion.

One down and 2 more raise their heads - Like shooting Richardson Squirrels in Sask or AB.
Gulf War 1 started by Saddam - He invaded Kuwait - Small problem with staying current on events nearly 20 years old. Read your history. Not just one short assed link and then think you might know something. That is a dangerous habit to have.

Nixon ended the War -Check you history, not your misinformed opinion. As the first has the fact and the latter has BS

Next read gophers original post - Wars were all by Republicans. That should not be hard to decipher i hope.

While Gopher and I will disagree from time to time he at least mans up if in error or a point needs clarification, same as i would

What about you?

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

One down and 2 more raise their heads - Like shooting Richardson Squirrels in Sask or AB.
Gulf War 1 started by Saddam - He invaded Kuwait - Small problem with staying current on events nearly 20 years old. Read your history. Not just one short assed link and then think you might know something. That is a dangerous habit to have.

I was living in the states at the time and remember the stink about Glaspie's activities before the war even started and some very pointed questions that Perot asked Bush about the incident during the 2nd 1992 Presidential debate that Bush couldn't or wouldn't answer.

The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait didn't happen without warning. Bush sent April Glaspie to clarify the US position about Kuwait because of indications Saddam was thinking of annexing the kingdom. The questions raised before Glaspie even left the US was would a Middle-eastern muslim dictator take a woman ambassador seriously. After she left Baghdad and Saddam immediately began mobilizing his army the questions shifted to "what the hell did ambassador Glaspie say, because it looks like Saddam is getting ready to attack". Perot raised some of the same questions in 1992 and Bush had no answer.

Nixon ended the War -Check you history, not your misinformed opinion. As the first has the fact and the latter has BS

Read yours, US involvement in the war ended when Congress blocked funding. Stanley Karnow among others has written a good book on the subject. NIxon disengaged most of the ground troops, but the air war and logistical support for South Vietnam continued.

Next read gophers original post - Wars were all by Republicans. That should not be hard to decipher i hope.

They do start their fair share, especially in the last 30 years. Before the Civil War I doubt they had much to do with starting any wars as the Republican party didn't even exist.

While Gopher and I will disagree from time to time he at least mans up if in error or a point needs clarification, same as i would

What about you?

I'll overwhelm you with my brilliant intelwhatchamacallit...

 

[Goober]

I was living in the states at the time and remember the stink about Glaspie's activities before the war even started and some very pointed questions that Perot asked Bush about the incident during the 2nd 1992 Presidential debate that Bush couldn't or wouldn't answer.

The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait didn't happen without warning. Bush sent April Glaspie to clarify the US position about Kuwait because of indications Saddam was thinking of annexing the kingdom. The questions raised before Glaspie even left the US was would a Middle-eastern muslim dictator take a woman ambassador seriously. After she left Baghdad and Saddam immediately began mobilizing his army the questions shifted to "what the hell did ambassador Glaspie say, because it looks like Saddam is getting ready to attack". Perot raised some of the same questions in 1992 and Bush had no answer.



Read yours, US involvement in the war ended when Congress blocked funding. Stanley Karnow among others has written a good book on the subject. NIxon disengaged most of the ground troops, but the air war and logistical support for South Vietnam continued.



They do start their fair share, especially in the last 30 years. Before the Civil War I doubt they had much to do with starting any wars as the Republican party didn't even exist.




I'll overwhelm you with my brilliant intelwhatchamacallit...

Well then you should be quite familar with the Tet offensive - Militarily it was a failure for the Viet Minh - PR wise it was a success - The VC had expended everything on that offensive and had expeneded all their troops and munition on that one offensive and while they lost the battle they won the PR War.

Nixon literally bombed the north to the Peace Table - In the books read it

Nixon had Kissinger talking with the North and stating hat Nixon is one crazy mother, never know what he will do, even nukes - The North came to the right conclusion. let the US out with their honor somewhat intact. Then wait. And that is how it happened. Never mind the money stuff - Funds can move around the Govt faster than sunlight on a dark day.

That brought them back to the peace table. Again read your history - Nixon wanted out and the only way was to intensify the war.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Well then you should be quite familar with the Tet offensive - Militarily it was a failure for the Viet Minh - PR wise it was a success - The VC had expended everything on that offensive and had expeneded all their troops and munition on that one offensive and while they lost the battle they won the PR War.

And the depleted southern cadres were rapidly replaced with northerners, the war was going to go on.

Nixon literally bombed the north to the Peace Table - In the books read it

Yes, the madman theory, he bombed the crap out of them and then had Henry sneak off to Paris to discuss peace terms, very noble.

Nixon had Kissinger talking with the North and stating hat Nixon is one crazy mother, never know what he will do, even nukes - The North came to the right conclusion. let the US out with their honor somewhat intact. Then wait. And that is how it happened. Never mind the money stuff - Funds can move around the Govt faster than sunlight on a dark day.

Yes I know, see above. The US was still going to continue the fight from a distance, it was the political fallout of Watergate that eventually ended the war, Nixon couldn't getting his funding through a Congress that no longer supported his presidency.

That brought them back to the peace table. Again read your history - Nixon wanted out and the only way was to intensify the war.

It was a game both sides were playing and the south paid the price, there's nothing noble in what happened on either side.

 

[ironsides]

I was living in the states at the time and remember the stink about Glaspie's activities before the war even started and some very pointed questions that Perot asked Bush about the incident during the 2nd 1992 Presidential debate that Bush couldn't or wouldn't answer.

The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait didn't happen without warning. Bush sent April Glaspie to clarify the US position about Kuwait because of indications Saddam was thinking of annexing the kingdom. The questions raised before Glaspie even left the US was would a Middle-eastern muslim dictator take a woman ambassador seriously. After she left Baghdad and Saddam immediately began mobilizing his army the questions shifted to "what the hell did ambassador Glaspie say, because it looks like Saddam is getting ready to attack". Perot raised some of the same questions in 1992 and Bush had no answer.



Read yours, US involvement in the war ended when Congress blocked funding. Stanley Karnow among others has written a good book on the subject. NIxon disengaged most of the ground troops, but the air war and logistical support for South Vietnam continued.



They do start their fair share, especially in the last 30 years. Before the Civil War I doubt they had much to do with starting any wars as the Republican party didn't even exist.



I'll overwhelm you with my brilliant intelwhatchamacallit...

When has Congress actually blocked funding for a war? There has been talk about it may times, but as far as I know it was never done. Doing so would be political suicide.

Mike Marino - for President 2012

YouTube - Mike Marino

 

[YukonJack]

Did I not read on here the great predicitions that the Republicans would win control of both houses?

Well, then, TenPenny, quote those predictions.

Obviously, you are trying to diminish the results of this elections. You might as well sign up with the "pundits" on MSNBC.

BTW, the most watched TV networks on Election night was - horror of horrors - FOXNews Network.

Poll indicates that it was because they were the most objvctive. Look it up.

Let us not forget that this election virtually wiped out Southern Democrats. While at the same time established the state of Maine as a hopeful island of sanity in the insane North Eastern United States.

Also, it should be remembered that most Governorships went to Republicans, which should send a chill up the non-existing spines of DEmocrats, since the power of re-districting will be in the hands of REpublican Governors.

Gee, those Americans really know how to elect wackoes. They really don't know what's good for them!!

 

[Unforgiven]

Just like to point out that North Korea is a Republic too and they are leading members of the triad in the Axis Of Evil! :canada: Just sayin.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

When has Congress actually blocked funding for a war? There has been talk about it may times, but as far as I know it was never done. Doing so would be political suicide.

Mike Marino - for President 2012

YouTube - Mike Marino

They blocked further funding for the Vietnam War when most of US forces were out of the country and Nixon was being shown for the weasel he was.

It's not political suicide if everybody is busy watching the President go up in flames, it really was an exciting time.

A few thougths on Marino's "solutions", in Sicily revenge is an art, in Afghanistan it's a religion.

 

[EagleSmack]

This is all very good news. I very much look forward to 5% unemployment and a balanced budget within 6 months.

Why? How? Is Obama going to finally do something?

The Democrats have the White House...
The Democrats have the Senate...
The GOP has the House of Representatives...

Obama can VETO everything that comes his way.

I think it will be easier for the Senate Dems to make up excuses for not passing anything. With the gold standard knowledge Americans have shown about how Congress works, they'll believe Reid if he were to say, "We can't pass anything because you, voters, took away our manageable majority by electing a bunch of Republicans. Sorry."

What a sore loser.

The Dems owned both houses for four years and couldn't get a thing done. Now you're going to whine like a b**** because your side got tooled. You show what Democrats and US liberals are best at, whining.