Islam vs. The World

[Just the Facts]

there is obviously much more but i think i've made my point

Not really. When Christians come streaming out of their churches on Sunday shaking their fists in the air yelling "death to this" and "death to that" because an animated preacher worked them into a frenzy with a sermon about how they should "Tear down their Altars, smash their standing stones, cut down their sacred poles, and set fire to their idols...For you are a people consecrated to Yahweh", then you'll have made your point. In the meantime, quoting obscure passages of the bible that no one pays attention to doesn't mean anything. Sure there's violence in the bible. There's violence in Sponge Bob Square Pants. Who cares. It's what's preached, believed, and acted upon that matters.

They rioted in Israel after their church was attacked by a Jewish demented man. They protested in Pakistan, and they have killed thousands in Uganda. So get your head out of your ass about Christians not doing the same thing as Muslims.

Thanks for setting me straight. :roll:

 

[Jersay]

Look it up. Christians threatened violence in Pakistan, but the government pleased them over Davinci, and the protest of a Christian church attack in Israel.

 

[Just the Facts]

Look it up. Christians threatened violence in Pakistan, but the government pleased them over Davinci, and the protest of a Christian church attack in Israel.

I'm gonna need your help on this one. I googled Christians threatened violence in Pakistan, but my eyes are getting tired sifting through all the stories about the persecution and murder of Christians in Pakistan.

http://www.google.ca/search?q=Chris...ce+in+Pakistan&hl=en&lr=lang_en&start=20&sa=N

 

[Jersay]

Screening Of The Da Vinci Code Banned


ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Culture Dr G G Jamal said on Saturday that the government has banned the controversial movie "The Da Vinci Code" because it contains blasphemous material.
"Islam teaches us to respect all the Prophets of Allah Almighty and degradation of any Prophet is tantamount to defamation of the rest," the minister told APP. He said the film hurt the feelings of Christians and Muslims. "We in Pakistan are brothers to each other."

The minister said that making such objectionable films and hurting sentiments of people could not be justified in the name freedom of expression. "Being a Muslim, we believe in all the Prophets. We abhor such blasphemous acts," he said.

Meanwhile, in a statement issued here, the chairman of the Board of Film Censors, Zia-ud-Din, said the government had imposed an immediate ban on the exhibition of the controversial Hollywood film through any medium. The film has been widely criticised for hurting religious sentiments.

Zia-ud-Din warned that strict action will be taken against those who watch this movie through any medium, exhibit it, keep it or sell and purchase it.

"The federal government has imposed (a) ban on the movie while using its authority under the Motion Pictures Ordinance 1979," the statement said.

A meeting of the Minority Council of the Ministry of Religious Affairs had recently recommended a complete ban on the screening of the movie. The issue was also raised in the National Assembly on Friday.

Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Dr Sher Afgan, speaking on a point of order raised by MNA Akram Masih, said the material of both the novel and film are against the religious sentiments, especially of the Christian community.

MNA Akram Masih said European countries were insulting the religions in the name of freedom of speech and expression. He asked the United Nations to formulate laws prohibiting such activities against any religion.

http://www.paktoday.com/code3.htm

http://www.paktoday.com/

There you go.

 

[Just the Facts]

Thanks. Didn't see anything about violence though.

 

[Jersay]

I said they threatened violence if it wasn't banned. And then in Israel where riots occured is another example.

 

[Just the Facts]

I said they threatened violence if it wasn't banned. And then in Israel where riots occured is another example.

You said they threatened violence. Nothing in your links said they threatened violence.

 

[saadia]

Wow!

Who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

It is true that Islam preserved the knowledge of western civilization through the Dark Ages. Unfortunately, Islam never lived up to its potential, and has stagnated in a philosophical state not much changed from that of 1000 years ago. It fact, one could claim they have degenerated.

BTW, Christianity is a philosophy of peace. The fact that some people claiming to be Christian commit monstrous crimes does not change that.

Islam is not a philosophy of peace. Mohammed took the Arab Peninsula at the point of a sword.

How much territory did Jesus Christ conquer by force of arms?

Thanks Colpy for bringing this into perspective for Jersay who seems to be off on his own tangent and deluging us with assinine remarks.

 

[Jersay]

Wow!

Who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

It is true that Islam preserved the knowledge of western civilization through the Dark Ages. Unfortunately, Islam never lived up to its potential, and has stagnated in a philosophical state not much changed from that of 1000 years ago. It fact, one could claim they have degenerated.

BTW, Christianity is a philosophy of peace. The fact that some people claiming to be Christian commit monstrous crimes does not change that.

Islam is not a philosophy of peace. Mohammed took the Arab Peninsula at the point of a sword.

How much territory did Jesus Christ conquer by force of arms?

Thanks Colpy for bringing this into perspective for Jersay who seems to be off on his own tangent and deluging us with assinine remarks.

Yeah Yeah. Islam is just as violent as Christianity and I've proved it so bye bye.

 

[vulpine]

the point of my post was not to quote obscure passages from the bible but to demonstrate how not just the muslim religion is violent, but the entire judeo-christian monothesist spectrum, which muslims are a part of, was extremely violent even in the days of the isaelites, Judism, Christianity and Muslim are all based on the one god's message, simply interpreted through different perspectives, and that god is, and was from the very beginning, a violent and vengeful god. So if you're trying to say that Christianity is a religion of peace and nothing can change that and that the muslim religion is violent and no other is, then just remember what god was doing long before the prophet mohammad came along, and if certain muslims are violent then that is, at the very least, a continuation of tradition, not a break from it.

 

[Just the Facts]

the point of my post was not to quote obscure passages from the bible but to demonstrate how not just the muslim religion is violent, but the entire judeo-christian monothesist spectrum, which muslims are a part of, was extremely violent even in the days of the isaelites, Judism, Christianity and Muslim are all based on the one god's message, simply interpreted through different perspectives, and that god is, and was from the very beginning, a violent and vengeful god. So if you're trying to say that Christianity is a religion of peace and nothing can change that and that the muslim religion is violent and no other is, then just remember what god was doing long before the prophet mohammad came along, and if certain muslims are violent then that is, at the very least, a continuation of tradition, not a break from it.

You got a whole lot jam packed into that paragraph, we could tear it apart and discuss it for months.

Anyway, point taken. My only response for now, in the interests of brevity, would be that it's irrelevant how one religion compares to another. When Christians murder, I oppose it. When Hindu's murder, I oppose it. When atheists murder, I oppose it. Murder is not tempered by the fact that others have also murdered. You don't let clifford olson out of prison because Charles Manson was just as crazy. When Manson killed he was arrested. When Olson killed, he was arrested.

 

[India1989]

Re: RE: Islam vs. The World

On that same token, however, it isn't up to Islamic persons (in particular, those in Canada, since I know Muslims better in this nation than I do in any other) to convince others to shed their discrimination. The very title of this thread seems to force negative baggage upon the Islamic population as a whole, and our Muslims in Canada are making a concerted effort, now more than ever, to lose that baggage, denounce terrorism and assist in being a part of the solution.

Ok the terrorist attacks in India are not carried out by Indian muslims. THey are the best muslims ever. Not even a single Indian muslim has joined Al Qaeda and any terrorist organization. But Canada's immigration policy is bad. THey bring in more people from Pakistan, Afghanistan etc where the Al Qaeda originated. And now they find a peace heaven over here and from here they conduct their operation.

In India right now muslims constitue 15% of our population. We still live in harmony.

We got Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jains, Buddhists, Zorastrianism, Bahai, Sikhs, Ahmadi, Jews, Agnostics, Atheists, and other tribal religions. We are all not brown either. So lots of diversity.

 

[ceegar]

Have we all forgotten what was to escalate into what is? Christiananity has by far been the most brutal of all religions. Not justifying terrorism, but who is the true terrorist here? There is too much focus on muslims as terrorist when in fact who has assimulated more people in the east than any other. And yes lots of innocents were MURDERED in the process. We all seem to fear what we don't understand and there is a lot more going on in this world than most of us know. So why be so jugdemental considering if we were all judged today most of us would be heading for fire and brimstone. Western countries are known as conquerers leaving the indigenous peoples with nothing. Perhaps muslims in the middle east see that in their mere future and are trying to avoid it "by any means necessary". Just a theory.

Rise above your ignorance and stand as one not by divisions.

Peace.

 

[ceegar]

Wow!

Who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

It is true that Islam preserved the knowledge of western civilization through the Dark Ages. Unfortunately, Islam never lived up to its potential, and has stagnated in a philosophical state not much changed from that of 1000 years ago. It fact, one could claim they have degenerated.

BTW, Christianity is a philosophy of peace. The fact that some people claiming to be Christian commit monstrous crimes does not change that.

Islam is not a philosophy of peace. Mohammed took the Arab Peninsula at the point of a sword.

How much territory did Jesus Christ conquer by force of arms?

Jesus was in fact a jew not a christian. Christianity came into play hundreds of years after Jesus. I'm sure if Jesus were here today he would condenm most of these religions we fight and kill for.

Peace.

Thanks Colpy for bringing this into perspective for Jersay who seems to be off on his own tangent and deluging us with assinine remarks.

 

[Colpy]

If compatibility problems between Islamic and Western culture are not religious, but legal, it is because Sharia precedes the formation of the state and is essentially the foundation on which an existing state is built (the Islamic nomocracy). Islam distinguishes three territorial situations: in the Dar al Islam (land of peace), Islam has triumphed and reigns supreme; in the Dar el Harb (land of war), the infidels are in power; and in the Dar el Suhl (which can be translated as land of armistice), Islam is still a minority and therefore must adapt, but every Muslim who lives there must do everything possible to make his religion triumphant someday. In this understanding, minarets, separate cemeteries, as well as Koranic schools and mosques become small extraterritorial regions in impure land, beachheads of Islam in the territory which, even if modest, only Islamic law applies.
In Dar es Islam, the holy land where Islam has previously been established, no law competing with Sharia — for example, our criminal and civil law — is allowed. This “holy land” of Islam in Europe now includes many urban neighborhoods in France, Great Britain and Germany. Muslims there are the majority, they have their own cemeteries, their mosques and their Koranic schools. These places are spread throughout the West and grow in number and size. The minarets are furthermore symbols of this penetration, in the image of the little flags that generals stick on their maps to mark the progress of their troops. The word minaret comes from “Al Manar”, the lighthouse. However, these “lighthouses of jihad” or the “bayonets of Islam,” in the words of the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan, are not required by the Koran and play no role in the religious ritual of Islam. The muezzin was invented much later, but his presence is often justified by a questionable parallel with the bells of Christian churches. In fact, the minaret is the foremost symbol of a conspicuous total submission to a doctrine and related intolerance — even if the latter is controversial among different Islamic currents. If we tolerate the construction of minarets on Swiss territory, the conflicts that take place in the East, for example between the Ottoman and Alawite Muslims will happen here. Instead of encouraging mutual tolerance and religious harmony, we stir up conflicts in the great doctrinaire diversity of Islam. Indeed, for the Alawi or secular Muslims, the minarets are an affront and a sign that a certain expression of Islam seeks to position itself as the only representation of this religion in Switzerland.

The entire article is worth reading:

http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/1547/Freysinger-Lislam-est-il-une-menace-Oui.aspx

While you are at it.........read this, and fear for the future of Canada.......

No Free Speech in Canada! Coren?s Comment

While we're at it:

Court decision puts veil over women's rights
It is illegal for a woman wearing a face-obscuring veil to board a plane in Canada. But a unanimous ruling last week by the Ontario Court of Appeal says it’s just fine for that same woman to give testimony in court with her face covered.
There’s more. Ontario’s highest court says veiled women can ask for an order to clear men out of the courtroom — any men in the public gallery, any male court staff, even her opponent’s lawyer, even the judge himself — in return for taking off her veil. It’s paragraph 85 of the ruling.
Shariah law has come to Canada.
Face-obliterating veils called niqabs are a medieval tool for gender apartheid. They destroy a woman’s identity. They turn her into an object, a chattel owned by her master — which is why they’re the norm in Saudi Arabia, where women have fewer rights than men and only slightly more than animals.
Burkas — an even more prison-like shroud, with just a tiny beekeeper’s screen to peek through — are the Taliban variety. Those are now allowed on the witness stand in Canada, too.

Ezra Levant

Scroll down a bit......

 

[ironsides]

The religion of peace has blessed us once more.

Fifty-two hostages and police were killed when an attempt by Iraqi security forces to free more than 100 Catholics held in a Baghdad church by al Qaeda-linked gunmen turned into a bloodbath, officials said on Monday.

Iraq church raid ends with 52 dead | Reuters

 

[damngrumpy]

When it comes to this there is one planet and two different worlds. The Middle East
has never moved beyond it tribal routes. In the west we have moved on to a social
society based on laws. The Muslim world refuses to move to the next stage of its
evolution. Their extreme views and unwillingness to adapt to the world around them
is what marginalizes them. The other great flaw, is there there is no central control
or better put leadership, of the faith. That leads to many sects and interpretations
of the faith itself. It is not our fault they don't want to fit in. If they cannot accept the
concept of democracy then they cannot live among us. In this country there are so
many groups at odds with each other it is unbelievable, yet the one thread we have in
common is we all believe in democracy and we hold a measure of respect for each
other. The Muslims, have a more difficult time, as their faith holds to rigid a view to
allow for compromise. I know a few Muslims and I find their view of the world is
from a religious point of view, and sometimes compromise is difficult. They are
like talking to some fundamentalist Christians who I also know. It can't be all bad
though both those groups have made an exception to include me in their circle
of friends. I have always been puzzled, that three religious groups all claiming
Abraham as their father of civilization, quarrel and kill each other down through
history with reckless abandon, it is sad to say the least. It comes down to the fact
that the Muslim alienation is self inflicted.

 

[mentalfloss]

I've found all Muslims around my area have adopted democracy quite well actually. Much better than the power hungry Catholics at least.

 

[ironsides]

I don't think we can compare Canadian or Americanized Muslims. In most cases they are no different than us, same wants and needs for themselves and families. The only ones who might be dangerous would be those who have a compulsive need to spread their faith. That includes all religions who do it.

 

[Cliffy]

I don't think we can compare Canadian or Americanized Muslims. In most cases they are no different than us, same wants and needs for themselves and families. The only ones who might be dangerous would be those who have a compulsive need to spread their faith. That includes all religions who do it.

Ya! That sweet little old lady who bangs on your door with her Watch Towers and Awake magazines is packing.