Obesity and Supermarkets, Is there a Connection?

[Ron in Regina]

that's not what I was saying. I am saying that people need to stop being lazy with their choices in life and take care of themselves.

and I don't think that people should be soft on them and treat them special because they're unable to choose healthy alternatives and be smart about what they eat and how they live.

I really do think that perhaps if there was incentives by the Govt on all 3 levels to promote and suggest healthy life styles, it might help.

increase prices on the unhealthy foods..

make it easier for people to purchase the healthy foods, like fruits and veggies and certain oils and so on.


I was just suggesting that.. as you can see above! make it more expensive to eat crappy foods.

instead of $1.25 for a chocolate bar make em $3.25. instead of $1.50 (if that's the price for it) for a can of pop. make it $3.50

there needs to be incentives for choosing healthy lifestyles.

You know, I work with a guy who eats nine meals a day, and I'm sure he'd
think you & I eat like crap regardless of how healthy we might think we eat.
This guy researches everything that he eats, and will only eat certain foods
at specific times each day, in premeasured portions. I can't argue with his
results of this bizarrely specific diet, but no way in hell do I want to impose
that upon myself, let along advocate having someone else push their idea
as to my choices on me.

Breakfast 1 at 6am, & he goes back to bed. Breakfast 2 at 8am while the
rest of us are having coffee. Two hours later it's Yogurt o'clock, and an hour
and a half later it's Sandwich-Thirty, and so on and so forth....all day long.

Now the results of this diet can been seen in this person, as the results of
a poor diet (in your opinion) can be seen in the people you're complaining
about:

This young man is about 170lbs, yet is benching rep-sets of double his
weight, and can bench a max of 400lbs. That's impressive, but would I want
this guy deciding my diet? That's but no thanks. Not him...nor anyone else.

Nannying the population, once it starts, has to stop somewhere and who's to
decide if it's not the individuals themselves? If the fee's & surcharges on the
foods you think they should be on come into reality, who is going to decide
what else gets these fees? Once this starts, where does it stop?

 

[karrie]

Your OP asserted that the location, variety, and packaging were the issue. You threw the word 'cheap' in there too but almost as an insult more than a comment on wanting to see a lower price. When people try to pin you down on that, you say no, price is the issue. yuo want to see it more expensive. So, in short, you don't want to see it in the location it is in, marketed the way it is, priced the way it is, AND, if you see fat people buying it (doubt you notice when a skinny person has a cart loaded up like that, but, they're just as plentiful), you get disgusted. But, you're not saying we should be nannied by the government about it, just, SOMETHING should be done by SOMEONE.

who is going to decide
what else gets these fees? Once this starts, where does it stop?

Well, for the longest time, anything with fat of any sort would have been taxed, back before people realized 'oh, wait, we need that!'

For a good long while anything with carbs might have been fair game because you lose weight much easier if you cut those out doncha know.

My hubby's aunt, rail thin, swears up and down anything dairy needs to be turfed from the stores.

I could go on all day, many with good research to back them up.

Me personally, I register my opinion about it all the good old capitalist way. I buy what I feel suits my family.

Yesterday it was a huge bag of nachos, some canned chili, soda, and a bag of M&M's. And considering I usually never shop like that, someone who sees me and decides they KNOW what I eat day in day out, based on one shopping trip to spoil some kids for sleepover, when my kids don't normally get juice, let alone pop, and most of my grocery trips are strictly to the produce shop, would be sorely wrong, no matter how wide me ass is.

Normally, my voting dollars are spent on 'ingredients', as my kids say.

 

[JLM]

I would support a higher tax on fast foods and unhealthy snack foods to offset the higher medical costs. Would that work for you?

Sounds good in theory, not sure how workable it is. To be really fair the other side of the equation would have to be taxed and I'm not sure how you would tax a person who lies on the couch all day. Maybe outfits like Nalleys and Coca Cola should be taxed to the hilt. But where would it stop?

 

[Praxius]

so I was at the local Superstore today buying some fruits and fat free Yogurt to make some nice tasty Smoothies when I was observing the convenient placement of all that crap foods. IE Candy, Chocolate Bars, bulk food candy, chips, etc.

it was all right near the check outs, next to the fruit and vegetable stands.

they had them in bright big advertising boxes with them all over.

hard to not see them when they're everywhere.


so, it got me to thinking to myself "no wonder there are a lot of obese people! you're waiting to pay for your stuff and BOOM right in your face there's every possible candy sitting there! and then next to your left BOOM! pop and energy Drinks!

and it's like the first thing you see when you enter the store, BUY ME! I TASTE GOOD! but I'm not good for you!

it goes along with how the healthy foods are so expensive to buy when your candy and chips are cheap and in large amounts!

so of course people are more likely to buy the cheap bad foods.


So are the Supermarkets more concerned about selling as much as they can and making as much buck in a day rather than what they place near their check outs and what they place in the aisles?

Most of the junk food is located by the checkouts and exists/entrances for what I see as two reasons:

#1 - Everybody has to go through the checkouts, entrances and exists and thus, every parent has to deal with their kids asking for this or that..... and if the bar in question is only 50 cents or so and shuts their kid up, then so much the better.

#2 - If you're going for a jog or visiting someone or just passing by and want a quick drink or snack along the way to keep you going, it makes more sense to have these things at the checkout to save everybody time..... rather then having to go all the way to a particular isle, find the item, make your way back to the checkout, wait in line with everybody else with their full shopping carts of groceries and then pay for it........... why would anybody want to wait through that crap for a chocolate bar or bottle of pop when they can walk to the gas station or corner store whom have it all right in your face as well?

Sure they're in their flashy boxes to stand out more then your bundle of tomatoes.... they're basically focusing on two different markets. The Tomato has to compete with other fruits and vegetables in the produce section.... the Tomato is for cooking/baking, etc.... the candy bar has to compete with the other candy bars and snacks, which all in turn use flashy packaging and such.

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Are all these snack things by the checkouts responsible for everybody being so overweight and unhealthy?

Hardly.

Think about it..... snacks & junk food have been located by checkouts for longer then I have been living on this planet.... 1 cent bubble gum and chocolate have been by the register since the 1950's and earlier.

You make it sound as though the availability of these products and their flashy packaging is responsible for people not accepting responsibility for their own decisions and actions.... and that these products and their flashy packaging somehow control the minds of those looking at them and remove all their cognitive abilities to determine for themselves that these things are not healthy to eat every single day.

Please.

Shall we now introduce warning labels on junk food that take up 50% of the packaging surface to further educate these people that these products are not healthy for them?

..... cuz those have been working so well with tobacco products.

Let's face facts shall we?

People are fat because they deliberately make themselves fat..... it only takes a little bit of common sense to know that a Twix isn't exactly healthy.

You can restrict the sale of junk food..... you can relocate the junk food to the back of the store or in some isolated little booth area like the smoke shops..... you can put all the skulls and crossbones on all the packaging you can find....... but at the end of the day, people will still shove junk food into their gullets and make themselves unhealthy, be that due to their own stupidity or their own lack of willpower.

And if they can't get their junk food in the stores, they'll buy the ingredients in the baking isle themselves from the exact same stores they used to get their junk food from, make all the chocolate and candy and cookies they can dream of........ then what?

How far do you want to go in order to somehow save/protect people from their own idiocy and self destruction?

Shall you punish them using legal avenues in order to some how save them from themselves?

Shall you just walk up to the next person you seek smoking a cigarette, grab it out of his or her hand and stomp it out under your foot, with claims that you're saving their life?

Shall you grab the Oh Henry bar from the chubby kid and stomp on it with your foot, with claims that you're saving their life?

Or will you grab that person's smoke and put it out with claims that the smoke bothers you and don't feel you should have to put up with it?

Or will you grab that person's candy bar and stomp on it with claims that their fatness bothers you and don't feel you should have to put up with looking at it?

That same person with the smoke would not only demand you compensate them for their lost smoke (they're not cheap these days) or get ready for a good ass kicking...... and they might even reply that your attitude and interference bothers them and they shouldn't have to put up with your harassment.

That same fat guy with the candy bar would also demand you compensate them for the bar you destroyed..... or might decide to eat you instead....... they might even reply that your attitude and interference bothers them and point out that they don't go around pointing out you being anorexic and in turn, shoving food down your throat.

So then, what's the other argument?

That you don't feel your tax money should go towards saving these fatties because of their continual eating of junk food?

I thought it wasn't their fault.... and the fault lied in the grocery stores placing these products in an area where people have no control over themselves buying these products?

Secondly..... they pay their taxes just like you and I and since none of us get to dictate how the government spends our tax money via our health system, you have no right to suggest any means of restricting or somehow controlling their life styles or eating habits, anymore then I have the right to suggest any means of restricting your health coverage on things I deem as a waste of money.

 

[petros]

High fructose corn syrup = f a t

 

[Praxius]

well, I guess it all goes hand in hand with a capitalist style of life we are all in..

"make as much money as you can in as little time as you can do it!"

so if that means under handing people or not doing anything to battle problems in society like Obesity, addiction, etc. they're more concerned about profits.

funny all these reports and news articles and scientists always remind us about obesity issues and dangers and how eating certains foods is unhealthy and leads to heart disease and early deaths and health issues..

Everything these days is unhealthy, or leads to heart disease, early deaths and other health issues..... you literally can not avoid it all..... because that too is unhealthy. We're addicted to oxygen all our lives..... and Oxygen contains oxidants which are really unhealthy for our bodies and eventually leads to our deaths, via old age wearing down of our internal organs and systems.......

..... shall we suddenly stop breathing air?

That will just kill you quicker.

YET, nobody is truly willing to do anything about it. Not 1 Supermarket has made any serious attempts to change their methods to battle it, Neither do stores that sell this stuff, IE Max's quicky Marts, reddi-Marts 7-11's.

Nobody is truly willing to do anything about it?

How about you do something about it yourself?

How about those who are over eating and continually doing what you don't approve of start taking matters into their own hands and accept responsibility for their own decisions and actions?

Why is it the responsibility of the grocery stores to regulate people's personal habits and problems?

Some fast food restaurants and other popular restaurants have made some changes in what they use with their foods but it's not enough.

Society is too controlled by Capitalism and money is more important than good health.

I'm not a big fan of Capitalism and support a number of socialist systems..... but it is not your place or the governments' place to control what people do with their own bodies, their own lives and what they put into their own bodies.

If someone wants to shove junk food into their bodies until their sides burst with fruit loops, are you going to honestly sit there and tell me you have the right to force them to stop or perhaps sue the store that supplied them with the food products they're eating?

Yes Yes, it does all lead up to the person who's purchasing these foods and their choices they make ultimately decide their fate but Our big society influences can definitely assist in helping us make those decisions.

Like they've helped with people quitting smoking or no longer drinking and driving or how making particular drugs illegal and that actually stopped people from actually using those drugs?

How about gambling and casinos or VLT's?

The thing is, there is already plenty of social influence in everything we do...... the basic food groups, commercials from the government, news reports and studies, organizations designed to help people with their weight, addictions, injuries, work place hazards, domestic violence/abuse, bullying, harassment, equality, etc. etc. etc......

It does indeed lead up to the person in question making the right decisions, but you can not put a gun to their head and force them to make the decisions you think they should.

If they make stupid decisions in their lives or simply don't care about the consequences..... then they'll die soon enough and you won't have to worry about them anymore..... natural selection.

 

[petros]

It all on your own freewill and accord. Consumerism when it comes to your health is not for the weak.

 

[Chiliagon]

I have taken care of it on my own end. I'm struggling right now with trying to figure out how to eat a healthy amt of food, get some exercise in and not gain any weight. I've put 4.4lbs on since I stopped dieting.. yet I try hard to not eat too much of what I have and I avoid bad foods. yes I have spoiled myself a couple times or so since..

I am just having to work it out and see what I have to do to maintain.

The hardest part is avoiding stuff like the bags of chips, the chocolate, the pizza or hamburgers from Wendy's.

I also need to prepare myself for the winter and exercise as it's gonna be tougher to get outside on a daily basis.

as far as avoiding the unhealthy foods, I have been I'd say 85% successful in that market. I do need to retract a little and try harder.


I am doing it because A: i found myself unattractive and B: I don't wanna be 55 and have a heart attack.

I think what is obvious is that human beings are not very strong willed and easily misguided. pleasure and the thought of satisfaction can make someone do dumb things a lot.

 

[Praxius]

yup , think about this..

the number of surgeries for heart related issues due to cholesterol and fat, and clogged arteries increase, Insurance costs go up,

The Cities and the Country see that there's a demand for more technology and doctors to deal with the increasing health problems due to Obesity problems, and so in order to pay for it they have to increase taxes and healthcare costs.

so our income goes down due to paying more taxes.

Big deal..... the same thing can be applied to smokers..... the same thing is applied to motor vehicle accidents..... or people who do extreme sports or have an exercise program that risks some sort of injury, like a broken ankle or injured arm.

Maybe we should also ban children from riding bikes or skateboards...... because if we did that, accidents & injuries relating to those things would dramatically decrease wouldn't they and therefore save a bunch of money?

Eventually if we restrict or somehow control every aspect of all our lives in a manner that would please every single person's personal gripes about other people's personal lifestyles, nobody would be actually experiencing the world around them, let alone living their lives by any respectable means, besides just living to further serve this wonderful society for a few extra more years, with less expense to the same system..... working and living to serve others, but never working or living for yourself..... we then become the cattle at the slaughterhouse..... designed and conditioned to serve others with zero freedom and zero consideration...... where those "Others" dictate to us what is best for us because we're somehow too stupid to think for ourselves.

I find it funny that you first complain about Capitalism and companies wanting to saving/gain money being the main problem why people are overweight..... and then attempt to further support your side of the argument by making points towards saving/making money and how this same problem is also a problem towards Capitalism.

You first attack Capitalism..... then attempt to find solutions to defend Capitalism?

Which is it?

 

[petros]

Every time you reduce caloric intake your body thinks you are going into lean times and starts to pack on rather than burn fat. You have to go the extra mile to get your body to start tapping into it's reserves through physical activity.

 

[Chiliagon]

Big deal..... the same thing can be applied to smokers..... the same thing is applied to motor vehicle accidents..... or people who do extreme sports or have an exercise program that risks some sort of injury, like a broken ankle or injured arm.

Maybe we should also ban children from riding bikes or skateboards...... because if we did that, accidents & injuries relating to those things would dramatically decrease wouldn't they and therefore save a bunch of money?

Eventually if we restrict or somehow control every aspect of all our lives in a manner that would please every single person's personal gripes about other people's personal lifestyles, nobody would be actually experiencing the world around them, let alone living their lives by any respectable means, besides just living to further serve this wonderful society for a few extra more years, with less expense to the same system..... working and living to serve others, but never working or living for yourself..... we then become the cattle at the slaughterhouse..... designed and conditioned to serve others with zero freedom and zero consideration...... where those "Others" dictate to us what is best for us because we're somehow too stupid to think for ourselves.

I find it funny that you first complain about Capitalism and companies wanting to saving/gain money being the main problem why people are overweight..... and then attempt to further support your side of the argument by making points towards saving/making money and how this same problem is also a problem towards Capitalism.

You first attack Capitalism..... then attempt to find solutions to defend Capitalism?

Which is it?

don't get me wrong, I would love to be able to make 200,000 a year. but I would want to do it ethically and morally right.

Every time you reduce caloric intake your body thinks you are going into lean times and starts to pack on rather than burn fat. You have to go the extra mile to get your body to start tapping into it's reserves through physical activity.

yea I know, I'm still learning. I have to figure out how to maintain my body weight and not reduce what I eat,

 

[petros]

Don't panic, go organic. You know what is healthy and what isn't. If a product claims to be good for you it isn't. Ever seen an ad for cabbage?

 

[gingersnap]

Don't panic - go organic. Omg ... I love that!

 

[Praxius]

that's not what I was saying. I am saying that people need to stop being lazy with their choices in life and take care of themselves.

and I don't think that people should be soft on them and treat them special because they're unable to choose healthy alternatives and be smart about what they eat and how they live.

I really do think that perhaps if there was incentives by the Govt on all 3 levels to promote and suggest healthy life styles, it might help.

increase prices on the unhealthy foods..

make it easier for people to purchase the healthy foods, like fruits and veggies and certain oils and so on.

An apple, orange, tomato, etc. are like pennies at the grocery store.... a couple of bucks for a bag of any....... please stop acting as though fruits and veggies are somehow gold plated and unaffordable to the majority of people because that's a crap argument.

It's already very...... VERY easy to purchase healthy foods...... it's just as easy to buy healthy foods as it is to buy junk food.
• Walk into store
• Locate the product you are interested in
• Pick it up
• Take it to the cash register
• Pay for the product
• Leave the store

^ The same actions can be applied to a banana as they can be applied to a snickers or a roll of toilet paper...... there are no license requirements or criminal background checks when purchasing a turnip..... there are no rings of fire to jump through.

The only difficulty that exists is in the heads of those who'd much rather eat a bad of doritos then eat a carrot...... and it's got more to do with the person's interests and tastes, which could go hand in hand with their appetite.

If I like the taste of a chocolate bar over squash...... what do you suppose I will choose?

I was just suggesting that.. as you can see above! make it more expensive to eat crappy foods.

instead of $1.25 for a chocolate bar make em $3.25. instead of $1.50 (if that's the price for it) for a can of pop. make it $3.50

there needs to be incentives for choosing healthy lifestyles.

^ And the above is not only unjustified, but it wouldn't work.

Has it worked with cigarettes?

Plenty of people today still smoke and it has little effect on how much they buy.... and the only thing increasing besides the price of tobacco is the amount of money people are making from far cheaper contraband tobacco products.

People will find ways around such a plan, it's as simple as that.

Increase the cost on junk food?

Ok..... so now either the junk food companies are getting more profit by selling even less..... or the government has yet another addiction/vice they can tax beyond belief while providing pathetically below par social services to help break those addictions they're getting money from.

How's the services for quitting smoking, drinking or gambling?

They'll throw out a commercial here and there..... they'll continually repeat that they've restricted where and how you can do something and they will argue that because they increased the price of the things people are addicted to or simply enjoy, that they did their job of helping society.

But they'll never actually out-right ban any of these things because it gives them profit at the expense of others..... arguments like yours are exactly what creates problems like these.

Some people who have a hangup about some group in society will complain long enough and loud enough for so long that eventually the government will turn it to their advantage, throw all sorts of bureaucratic BS on top of something, increase the prices of something, restrict how often or where you can do something.... gain all sorts of tax money from those people..... and then turn around to pat each other on the back as if they actually did something worthwhile and toss out some obscure statistics to claim they're making some sort of difference...... all the while the original problem still exists, the people that have the decisions made for them without their consent are singled out of society as bad, more people find more justification to discriminate against them..... and then in a few years, some other group comes out to oppress the freedoms of those who were just finger pointing at the fat people in society.

And the cycle continues while nothing in the cycle truly ever changes.

 

[Chiliagon]

An apple, orange, tomato, etc. are like pennies at the grocery store.... a couple of bucks for a bag of any....... please stop acting as though fruits and veggies are somehow gold plated and unaffordable to the majority of people because that's a crap argument.

It's already very...... VERY easy to purchase healthy foods...... it's just as easy to buy healthy foods as it is to buy junk food.
• Walk into store
• Locate the product you are interested in
• Pick it up
• Take it to the cash register
• Pay for the product
• Leave the store

^ The same actions can be applied to a banana as they can be applied to a snickers or a roll of toilet paper...... there are no license requirements or criminal background checks when purchasing a turnip..... there are no rings of fire to jump through.

The only difficulty that exists is in the heads of those who'd much rather eat a bad of doritos then eat a carrot...... and it's got more to do with the person's interests and tastes, which could go hand in hand with their appetite.

If I like the taste of a chocolate bar over squash...... what do you suppose I will choose?

ya but if you look at the price of stuff like fruits and vegetables, and you compare it to the junk food. that's what I'm talking about.


you get the same weight of Apples and then a Bag of Doritos. what costs more to purchase?


or if you go by a bag of Carrots and then the same amt of weight in a bag of Tostitos nacho chips,

what costs more to purchase?


foods that are grown at a garden or farm and then are shipped out to all the stores and places and sold per lb. are more expensive to purchase than a bag of candy or chips or whatever other garbage out there.

 

[karrie]

you get the same weight of Apples and then a Bag of Doritos. what costs more to purchase?


or if you go by a bag of Carrots and then the same amt of weight in a bag of Tostitos nacho chips,

what costs more to purchase?

by weight apples are cheaper.

 

[Chiliagon]

by weight apples are cheaper.

oh?

ok.

perhaps I should make the comparison with Quantity.. instead of weight.

5 apples vs 80 pieces of chips.

 

[petros]

you can slice an apple into 80 pieces

Slice up an apple and make a pie. Ever heard of Dorito pie? A gateway drug to a triple by-pass.

 

[Praxius]

I have taken care of it on my own end. I'm struggling right now with trying to figure out how to eat a healthy amt of food, get some exercise in and not gain any weight. I've put 4.4lbs on since I stopped dieting.. yet I try hard to not eat too much of what I have and I avoid bad foods. yes I have spoiled myself a couple times or so since..

4.4 pounds?

In the last year I gained an additional 10 pounds.... then another 10.... then another 8 just this past week.... in the span of two+ years I went from 185 pounds (which was deathly low weight for me) to almost 230 pounds just last week..... which a stomach flu last week cleaned me out back down to 222 pounds.

Apparently for my age and height I should be around 210 pounds...... yet even when I'm that weight or lower I don't like how I look and feel that I'm still over weight...... but at this point in my life, I simply no longer give a damn.

I'm 30, my weight is going to continually go up and down...... I've attempted to eat healthy for a few months and see that no pounds would come off..... I'd exercise continually and no weight comes off...... I'd eat unhealthy and slack off and my weight remained the same.

I've listened and taken all the damn advice there is out there about eating healthy, exercising, living active lifestyles, quitting smoking, quitting drinking, going vegan, don't BBQ, don't get too much sun because of skin cancer..... OH WAIT...... Do get a lot of sun still because you need your Vit D........

Frig you know something?

I now understand the BS our pets have to go through...... what with the dried out red kibble that smells like vomit and the certain amount of portions per period of the day.... I've seen pet owners follow those damn health guidelines to a T, and every time it's time to feed their pet, they come running around the corner acting as though they never eaten for days and this will be the last food they see again for days..... and for the entire day they're left with this half a handful of processed crap to keep them alive for another day.

For what? Their dog to suffer an extra 6 months blind, deaf and full of arthritis, all the while their lives were spent to be conditioned in a manner that helps support some superficial "Image" of their owner's "Healthy Lifestyle?"

I am just having to work it out and see what I have to do to maintain.

The hardest part is avoiding stuff like the bags of chips, the chocolate, the pizza or hamburgers from Wendy's.

Right around the time I hit 30, my interest in those things seemed to have dropped off considerably..... once a month I might eat one or some of those things, but it's certainly not as hard as it used to be.

I also need to prepare myself for the winter and exercise as it's gonna be tougher to get outside on a daily basis.

WiiFit.

as far as avoiding the unhealthy foods, I have been I'd say 85% successful in that market. I do need to retract a little and try harder.

I am doing it because A: i found myself unattractive and B: I don't wanna be 55 and have a heart attack.

I think what is obvious is that human beings are not very strong willed and easily misguided. pleasure and the thought of satisfaction can make someone do dumb things a lot.

It's not that humans lack strong will, it's the up-bringing and education of the person in question that really matters...... in other words, it's not the species that has a problem, it's the individual.

 

[Chiliagon]

4.4 pounds?

In the last year I gained an additional 10 pounds.... then another 10.... then another 8 just this past week.... in the span of two+ years I went from 185 pounds (which was deathly low weight for me) to almost 230 pounds just last week..... which a stomach flu last week cleaned me out back down to 222 pounds.

Apparently for my age and height I should be around 210 pounds...... yet even when I'm that weight or lower I don't like how I look and feel that I'm still over weight...... but at this point in my life, I simply no longer give a damn.

I'm 30, my weight is going to continually go up and down...... I've attempted to eat healthy for a few months and see that no pounds would come off..... I'd exercise continually and no weight comes off...... I'd eat unhealthy and slack off and my weight remained the same.

I've listened and taken all the damn advice there is out there about eating healthy, exercising, living active lifestyles, quitting smoking, quitting drinking, going vegan, don't BBQ, don't get too much sun because of skin cancer..... OH WAIT...... Do get a lot of sun still because you need your Vit D........

Frig you know something?

I now understand the BS our pets have to go through...... what with the dried out red kibble that smells like vomit and the certain amount of portions per period of the day.... I've seen pet owners follow those damn health guidelines to a T, and every time it's time to feed their pet, they come running around the corner acting as though they never eaten for days and this will be the last food they see again for days..... and for the entire day they're left with this half a handful of processed crap to keep them alive for another day.

For what? Their dog to suffer an extra 6 months blind, deaf and full of arthritis, all the while their lives were spent to be conditioned in a manner that helps support some superficial "Image" of their owner's "Healthy Lifestyle?"



Right around the time I hit 30, my interest in those things seemed to have dropped off considerably..... once a month I might eat one or some of those things, but it's certainly not as hard as it used to be.



WiiFit.



It's not that humans lack strong will, it's the up-bringing and education of the person in question that really matters...... in other words, it's not the species that has a problem, it's the individual.

ya. I used to be in very athletic shape. I looked great, I could perform in sports at a high level. back when I was 17! I would like to try and get back to that level or close as I can.

I would love to get back into Hockey.. just can't afford to right now.