Did The Terrorists Win On 9/11?

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By Jack Hunter

As we approach the ninth anniversary of 9/11, everyone is fixated on some idiot who plans to burn the Koran. Many are pleading with him not to do it, yet he still insists. If he doesn’t do it, the “terrorists win,” you see. But the terrorists have already won. That this man even wants to burn the Koran is actually part of that triumph, and that we are all talking about it is simply the latest chapter in their victory.

Many believe America changed after 9/11. It did. A ragtag band of terrorists successfully drew the most powerful military in the world into countries that barely had militaries, where we invented or deepened conflicts that should have never been conflicts, the benefit of which went mostly to al-Qaeda, as that outfit now possesses the greatest recruitment tool imaginable–the flailing foreign policy of a belligerent American empire. If we’re honest, since day one, the War on Terror has actually been a war for it–with the decade-long occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq creating a net result of record high anti-American sentiment, far worse than it was before 9/11–which is the reason there even was a 9/11. The irony is as thick as it is tragic. Today, this president show no signs or intention of wanting to correct, or simply stop making, the mistakes of the last one, and radical Islamists and neoconservatives alike continue to salivate over the possibility of new conflicts.

And this is just overseas. Here at home,19 hijackers scared a nation of 300 million people into supporting not only endless and fruitless wars, but security measures and government expansion without precedent in their size, expense, and absurdity. The 9/11 terrorists wanted to induce fear, and they did–beyond their wildest dreams. Writes CNN’s Fareed Zakaria for Newsweek:
I do not minimize Al Qaeda’s intentions, which are barbaric. I question its capabilities. In every recent conflict, the United States has been right about the evil intentions of its adversaries but massively exaggerated their strength. In the 1980s, we thought the Soviet Union was expanding its power and influence when it was on the verge of economic and political bankruptcy. In the 1990s, we were certain that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear arsenal. In fact, his factories could barely make soap… . Nine years after 9/11, can anyone doubt that Al Qaeda is simply not that deadly a threat? Since that gruesome day in 2001, once governments everywhere began serious countermeasures, Osama bin Laden’s terror network has been unable to launch a single major attack on high-value targets in the United States and Europe.

While it has inspired a few much smaller attacks by local jihadis, it has been unable to execute a single one itself. Today, Al Qaeda’s best hope is to find a troubled young man who has been radicalized over the Internet, and teach him to stuff his underwear with explosives.
Author Bruce Fein has made the case that if the United States took the troop-to-enemy ratio currently in the Middle East and applied it to World War II, America would have stationed three billion soldiers in Europe alone, ten times the size of the current U.S. population. Fein also points out that even though there are about 14,000 murders annually in the U.S., the very thought of an increased police state to address this is anathema to most Americans–yet there is a bipartisan consensus on the need for a national-security state, massively overblown to address a massively exaggerated threat. Writes Zakaria:
Since September 11, 2001, the U.S. government has created or reconfigured at least 263 organizations to tackle some aspect of the war on terror. The amount of money spent on intelligence has risen by 250 percent, to $75 billion (and that’s the public number, which is a gross underestimate). That’s more than the rest of the world spends put together. Thirty-three new building complexes have been built for intelligence bureaucracies alone, occupying 17 million square feet-the equivalent of 22 U.S. Capitols or three Pentagons. Five miles southeast of the White House, the largest government site in 50 years is being built-at a cost of $3.4 billion-to house the largest bureaucracy after the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs: the Department of Homeland Security, which has a workforce of 230,000 people.
This is insane, and yet to say so is the quickest way to prove your own insanity.

Defenders of the last president love to claim that “Bush kept us safe.” No, he kept us stupid.

And Obama is no different. After 9/11, most Americans and indeed the entire world understood the logic of going into Afghanistan, but a decade later, no one understands the reason we are still there, what it has to do with fighting terrorism, what we were ever doing in Iraq, and how either war could possibly prevent another attack. The only reason an American would even think to burn a Koran and the media would think to cover it–and we all would have to worry about it–is because the U.S. has now militarily engaged the Arab world to a degree every bit as extreme as what the 9/11 hijackers hoped they might provoke. The War on Terror is by definition a war without end, and we now seem to have permanently institutionalized it, both domestically and abroad, with literally no end in sight.

On this ninth anniversary of 9/11, ask this: Where else in history have so few men accomplished so much? And where else in history has a nation so powerful, so quickly become its own worst enemy–all in the name of exacting revenge against so few men?
 

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So far they have, no doubt about it. Look at the $billions spent on such things as security for Super bowl or P.M.s summit conference. Look at all the rigmarole just to cross the line to visit our "best friend" in the world. They talk about the evils of "racial profiling", yet if a rat attacks you and then shortly thereafter you see another rat. what are you supposed to do? Yep, they have us on the ropes. :smile:
 

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Did the terrorists win on 9/11? I think you first have to define what their objective was and still is and I don't think any of us really know for sure.

And in the same way, was the US's objective to get Saddam out of power when they invaded Iraq? If yes, then they accomplished that. Was it to bring ever lasting peace and democracy to the middle east? Fail. Was it to wipe out the terrorists? Fail. Was it to stop another 9/11 type of thing from happening on American soil? So far ... win.
 

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Did the terrorists win on 9/11? I think you first have to define what their objective was and still is and I don't think any of us really know for sure.

And in the same way, was the US's objective to get Saddam out of power when they invaded Iraq? If yes, then they accomplished that. Was it to bring ever lasting peace and democracy to the middle east? Fail. Was it to wipe out the terrorists? Fail. Was it to stop another 9/11 type of thing from happening on American soil? So far ... win.

I think what Saddam was capable of (after gassing the Kurds and bombing Kuwait) was predictable- how far he was going to go with it is another matter. It's good the S.O.B. and his sons are gone. Whether it was worth it is another question, but one thing for sure it keeps bastards of that ilk on their toes. :smile:
 

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Did the terrorists win on 9/11? I think you first have to define what their objective was and still is and I don't think any of us really know for sure.

And in the same way, was the US's objective to get Saddam out of power when they invaded Iraq? If yes, then they accomplished that. Was it to bring ever lasting peace and democracy to the middle east? Fail. Was it to wipe out the terrorists? Fail. Was it to stop another 9/11 type of thing from happening on American soil? So far ... win.

The objective of invading Iraq was bush's personal mission to get saddam for threatening the life of his father.
 

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No...it was to free the Iraqi people...minus the 100,000+ lives it sunffed out in the process.:roll:

God Dam America.

Now, is it safe to turn the tube back on after todays barrage of 9/11 non-stop crap spewed by the networks? Geezz!! The dead got thier share of `moments of silence` today. Now how about at least a years silence starting tomorrow from the American media on the subject, out of respect for the living.


The objective of invading Iraq was bush's personal mission to get saddam for threatening the life of his father.
 

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Interesting perspective. It reminds me very much of the Cold War in which the USSR attempted to draw the US into senseless and expensive conflicts in places like Vietnam. The Russians fought the war on the cheap, supplying the Vietnamese with weapons and letting them do the fighting. Interestingly, the USSR was drawn into its own version of Vietnam in Afghanistan and allowed the US to employ the same draining strategy. It appears that Islamic radicals have adopted a similar strategy and it seems to be working.
 

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On Sept 10 2001 the US government KNEW the terrorists were planning to fly planes into twin towers and other targets and they did nothing to stop it - the only question I have is how much did they help them?

The EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED at Pearl Harbour on Dec 6th 1942. The day before. The US government knew it was coming (that's why the carriers were well away and mostly obsolete battleships were sunk) and they let it happen because it fit the Roosevelt pro-war agenda so perfectly.

And I suppose here in Toronto it happened during g20 when police allowed two cruisers to be firebombed by walking away and leaving them unguarded for two hours prior; the tail wags the dog, even here in Canada.
 

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On Sept 10 2001 the US government KNEW the terrorists were planning to fly planes into twin towers and other targets and they did nothing to stop it - the only question I have is how much did they help them?

The EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED at Pearl Harbour on Dec 6th 1942. The day before. The US government knew it was coming (that's why the carriers were well away and mostly obsolete battleships were sunk) and they let it happen because it fit the Roosevelt pro-war agenda so perfectly.

And I suppose here in Toronto it happened during g20 when police allowed two cruisers to be firebombed by walking away and leaving them unguarded for two hours prior; the tail wags the dog, even here in Canada.

You should get your facts straight before you start rattling off at the gums. Pearl Harbour was 1941.
 

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On Sept 10 2001 the US government KNEW the terrorists were planning to fly planes into twin towers and other targets and they did nothing to stop it - the only question I have is how much did they help them?

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Really? Did they actually know, or perhaps they had just heard "rumblings". I imagine there is stuff that crosses the radar every day that never materializes. Unless they knew exactly how it was going to happen, which planes and where they were coming from, I don't suppose there would be a lot they could do. Perhaps you can post a link. :smile:
 

arob

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watch the you tube documentary 'Loose Change'
do a search for it if you cant find it there but that's where i saw it
now i understand there is another video which answers a lot of the questions that Loose Change asks... but i haven't seen that yet - and id like to, so if anyone knows the link to that, I'd like to see it.
 

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watch the you tube documentary 'Loose Change'
do a search for it if you cant find it there but that's where i saw it
now i understand there is another video which answers a lot of the questions that Loose Change asks... but i haven't seen that yet - and id like to, so if anyone knows the link to that, I'd like to see it.

This appears to be nothing more than a contraversial movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_(film)
 

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terroirst have not won they didn't destory us what tehy came to try to do they fail. why do you think there trying to contuine there stuff now a days?