Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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What they won’t tell you about are the fancy new restaurants and swimming pools of Gaza, or about the windsurfing competitions on Gaza beaches, or the Strip’s crowded shops and markets. Many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza live a middle-class (and in some cases an upper-class) lifestyle that Western journalists refuse to report on because it doesn’t fit with the simplistic story they were sent to write.


Fancy Restaurants and Olympic-Size Swim Pools: What The Media Won’t Report About Gaza


Do you want all people become beggar in their homeland, and you luxurious?
 

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Jews killed where Obama demanded removal of checkpoints

Jerusalem – Today's deadly terror attack that killed four people took place on a road where the Israeli government removed staffed anti-terror checkpoints in line with requests from the Obama administration, WND has learned.
As President Obama was preparing for a Washington summit with the Israeli and Palestinian leaders, Palestinian terrorists today carried out a shooting attack, killing two Jewish men and two women, one of whom was pregnant.
The attack took place in the West Bank just south of the entrance to Kiryat Arba, near the historic biblical city of Hebron.
Israeli security officials say the terrorist shooting was a coordinated ambush.
Officially, Hamas took responsibility for the terror attack, in which gunmen opened fire at point-blank range on a car carrying the four Israeli civilians.

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Do you want all people become beggar in their homeland, and you luxurious?

It's great that Gazans have luxuries. Just stop lying about it. Stop all the nonsense about how they're so starved and oppressed that we need aid flotillas to feed them.

Likewise the West Bank has been booming recently. That is also wonderful. I wish for the Arabs of the West Bank to live long and prosper.

Unfortunately, with the threat of talks towards a lasting peace to start next week, look for a surge of attacks and killings against Israel in order to sabotage the talks.
 

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using the same logic as above, I can prove there are no poor people in the United States.

Examples of typical Americans
Bill Gates is worth $53B US.
Warren Buffet is worth $46B US
Sheldon Adelson is worth $20.5US

and so on. I can find lots of examples of American billionaires. That means all Americans must billionaires and that poverty doesn't exist in the US.

That makes about as much sense as claiming that since a few wealthy Gazans exist and Gaza has a mall that sell expensive luxuries, Gaza must be a fine place to live where children aren't suffering disease and malnutrition as a result of Israels illegal blockade of humanitarian aid...
 
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using the same logic as above, I can prove there are no poor people in the United States.

Examples of typical Americans
Bill Gates is worth $53B US.
Warren Buffet is worth $46B US
Sheldon Adelson is worth $20.5US

and so on. I can find lots of examples of American billionaires. That means all Americans must billionaires and that poverty doesn't exist in the US.

That makes about as much sense as claiming that since a few wealthy Gazans exist and Gaza has a mall that sell expensive luxuries, Gaza must be a fine place to live where children aren't suffering disease and malnutrition as a result of Israels illegal blockade of humanitarian aid...
Using the same logic as above, I can prove the Gaza obviously needs about as much aid as the US.

The point you refuse to grasp eao, is that while there very well be a class system in Gaza. That is not what the world is being sold, and I highly suspect you know that, but wish to acknowledge it.

In a place where the world is told that nothing but abject poverty exists, where there's no material to rebuild homes, or food for the children, there is now a luxury mall.

How can there be a luxury mall in a place where there are no materials to build homes?

And if you really want to seriously entertain the ridiculous ideas highlighted in your post, who should be responsible first? The world, the US, Israel or the indigenous peoples?

If there were materials to build, furnish, stock a luxury malls or restaurants. Obviously there is no need for a flotilla.

That is a sad fact you really need to get a grip on.
 

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That makes about as much sense as claiming that since a few wealthy Gazans exist and Gaza has a mall that sell expensive luxuries, Gaza must be a fine place to live where children aren't suffering disease and malnutrition as a result of Israels illegal blockade of humanitarian aid...

So you're saying there ARE poor people in the U.S.? What incredible luck, the Canadian flotilla will be on Lake Ontario this month raising money. Quick! Let them know that they don't need to go all the way to Gaza, they can just load up and deliver their aid to starving Americans in Syracuse.

Thank you EAO, think of the lives you've saved.

Get on the Boat Fundraiser: Help launch a CANADIAN boat to Gaza!
 
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Let me know when the Red Cross describes the US like this:

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News release 10/103 Gaza closure: not another year!

Geneva/Jerusalem (ICRC) - The hardship faced by Gaza's 1.5 million people cannot be addressed by providing humanitarian aid. The only sustainable solution is to lift the closure.

The serious incidents that took place on 31 May between Israeli forces and activists on a flotilla heading for Gaza once again put the spotlight on the acute hardship faced by the population in the Gaza Strip.

As the ICRC has stressed repeatedly, the dire situation in Gaza cannot be resolved by providing humanitarian aid. The closure imposed on the Gaza Strip is about to enter its fourth year, choking off any real possibility of economic development. Gazans continue to suffer from unemployment, poverty and warfare, while the quality of Gaza's health care system has reached an all-time low.

The whole of Gaza's civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel's obligations under international humanitarian law.

"The closure is having a devastating impact on the 1.5 million people living in Gaza", said Béatrice Mégevand-Roggo, the ICRC's head of operations for the Middle East. "That is why we are urging Israel to put an end to this closure and call upon all those who have an influence on the situation, including Hamas, to do their utmost to help Gaza's civilian population. Israel's right to deal with its legitimate security concerns must be balanced against the Palestinians' right to live normal, dignified lives."

The international community has to do its part to ensure that repeated appeals by States and international organizations to lift the closure are finally heeded.

Under international humanitarian law, Israel must ensure that the basic needs of Gazans, including adequate health care, are met. The Palestinian authorities, for their part, must do everything within their power to provide proper health care, supply electricity and maintain infrastructure for Gaza's people.

Furthermore, all States have an obligation to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of all relief consignments, equipment and personnel.

Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit is about to enter his fifth year in captivity. Hamas has continued to rebuff the ICRC's requests to let it visit Gilad Shalit. In violation of international humanitarian law, it has also refused to allow him to get in touch with his family. The ICRC again urges those detaining Gilad Shalit to grant him the regular contact with his family to which he is entitled. It also reiterates that those detaining him have an obligation to ensure that he is well treated and that his living conditions are humane and dignified.

Ruined livelihoods
Although about 80 types of goods are now allowed into Gaza – twice as many as a year ago – over 4,000 items could be brought in prior to the closure. Generally, the price of goods has increased while their quality has dropped – this is one consequence of the largely unregulated trade conducted through the tunnels that have been dug under the Gaza-Egypt border to circumvent the closure.

Fertile farmland located close to the border fence has been turned into a wasteland by ongoing hostilities, affecting people's livelihoods in many rural communities. The buffer zone imposed by Israel extends in practice over one kilometre into the Gaza Strip, covering a total area of about 50 square kilometres that is host to nearly a third of Gaza's farmland and a large share of its livestock. Agricultural activities in the area are hampered by security conditions. Israel's enforcement of the buffer zone and frequent hostilities have resulted not only in civilian casualties and the destruction of civilian property but also in the impoverishment and displacement of numerous families.

Gaza's fishermen have been greatly affected by successive reductions imposed by Israel on the size of the fishing grounds they are allowed to exploit. The latest restriction to three nautical miles has cut down both the quantity and quality of the catch. As a result, nearly 90% of Gaza's 4000 fishermen are now considered either poor (with a monthly income of between 100 and 190 US dollars) or very poor (earning less than 100 dollars a month), up from 50% in 2008. In their struggle to survive, the fishermen have little choice but to sail into no-go zones, at the risk of being shot by the Israeli navy.

"I have already been arrested and my boat has been confiscated several times," said Nezar Ayyash, who heads Gaza's fishermen's union. "But this is our life here. We know that fishing can cost us our lives, but we have no other choice but to go out with our boats: we need to feed our families."

No cure in sight for ailing health-care system

Gaza is suffering from an acute electricity crisis. The power supply in Gaza is interrupted for seven hours a day on average. The consequences for public services, especially the primary health-care system, are devastating. Hospitals rely on generators to cope with the daily blackouts.

The power cuts pose a serious risk to the treatment of patients – and to their very lives. It takes two to three minutes for a generator to begin operating, and during that time electronic devices do not function. As a result, artificial respirators must be reactivated manually, dialysis treatment is disrupted and surgery is suspended as operating theatres are plunged into darkness.

To make matters worse, fuel reserves for hospital generators keep drying up. Three times this year, fuel shortages have forced hospitals to cancel all elective surgery and accept emergency cases only. Gaza's paediatric hospital had to transfer all its patients to another facility because it could no longer function. Laundry services have repeatedly shut down. With the prospect of increased electricity consumption during the hot summer months when air conditioning is required, the situation is likely to deteriorate further if hospitals do not receive ample fuel.

Fluctuations in the power supply can also damage essential medical equipment. Repairs are difficult owing to the closure, under which the transfer into Gaza of spare parts for medical equipment is subject to excessive delays of up to several months.

The transfer of disposable electrodes, which are used to monitor the heart rhythm of cardiac patients, has been delayed since August 2009. Without this equipment, patient lives are at risk, as heart problems may not be detected in time. Because of the restrictions in place, most heart monitors in Gaza will be unusable by the end of this month. The run-down state of equipment is one of the reasons for the high numbers of patients seeking treatment outside the Strip.

Stocks of essential medical supplies have reached an all-time low because of a standstill in cooperation between Palestinian authorities in Ramallah and Gaza. At the end of May 2010, 110 of 470 medicines considered essential, such as chemotherapy and haemophilia drugs, were unavailable in Gaza. When chemotherapy is interrupted, the chances of success drop dramatically, even if another painful round of treatment is initiated. Haemophilia patients face life-threatening haemorrhages when compounds such as Factor VIII and IX are not available.

More than 110 of the 700 disposable items that should be available are also out of stock. The only way to cope is to re-use such items as ventilator tubes or colostomy bags, even though doing so can lead to infections that endanger patients' lives.

"The state of the health-care system in Gaza has never been worse," said Eileen Daly, the ICRC's health coordinator in the territory. "Health is being politicized: that is the main reason the system is failing. Unless something changes, things are only going to get even worse. Thousands of patients could go without treatment and the long-term outlook will be increasingly worrisome."

The health-care system is further weakened by severe restrictions imposed on the movement of people into and out of Gaza. The restrictions prevent medical staff from leaving the Strip to get the training they need to update their skills, and technicians from entering to repair medical equipment.

Lack of sanitation hazardous for health and the environment

The lack of proper sanitation and certain agricultural practices are polluting Gaza's aquifer. Only about 60% of the territory's 1.4 million inhabitants are connected to a sewage collection system. Raw sewage discharged into the river Wadi Gaza, which snakes through urban areas, jeopardizes the health of the communities living on its banks.

Because the aquifer is over-exploited, drinking water in most of Gaza contains high levels of nitrate, chloride and salt. The water is unfit for consumption, and the risk of contracting an infectious disease is high.

Assembling enough suitable materials to carry out sanitation projects is a slow and haphazard process. Materials obtained through the tunnel trade can be of questionable quality, while some items, such as certain electro-mechanical pumps, cannot be found at all, which hobbles construction efforts.

"The current situation is critical and may lead to an irreversible trend in the degradation of underground fresh water," said Javier Cordoba, who oversees the ICRC's water and sanitation activities in Gaza. "Large-scale projects, such as the construction of a desalination plant, must be undertaken to meet water-supply needs without further exposing the aquifer. The closure must be lifted so that the 4.5 billion US dollars pledged by donor countries over a year ago can be put to use."

http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/palestine-update-140610
 
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Let me know when the Red Cross describes the US like this:

lol let me know when Hamas ceases to insist on perpetuating Gaza as a war zone.

Hamas militants have built rockets from pipes imported for a sanitation plant
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/world/middleeast/26mideast.html?_r=1&hp

Mash'al announced that "outwardly [we in] Gaza speak of reconciliation and building, but the truth is that most of [our] money and effort is directed toward resistance and military preparations. We are engaged in resistance."
Website of 'Izz Al-Din Al-Qassam Brigades - Hamas' Military Wing - Details Weapons Manufactured in Gaza to be Used Against Israel, Including Suicide Belts, Anti-Tank Mines, Rockets and Mortars, and Others

The cement shortage in the Gaza Strip makes it difficult to carry out rehabilitation works and improve the living conditions of the population. However, reliable intelligence indicates that Hamas uses cement for military needs as part of its overall strategy of giving priority to its military infrastructure over Gaza Strip residents’ needs.
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e114.htm

Arab countries have been urged to use more of their oil wealth to help the Palestinians after figures showed they contributed only 1.5 per cent of the general budget for the United Nations agency charged with supporting the Palestinian refugee community. The Arab League passed a resolution in 1987 saying that its member states should provide at least 7.7% of UNRWA's general budget.
FT.com / UK - Arab nations urged to meet aid promises

"It was agreed to liberalize the system by which civilian goods enter Gaza [and] expand the inflow of materials for civilian projects that are under international supervision," the government said in a statement after the meeting.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-to-ease-gaza-land-blockade-1.296736

Also Thursday, Israeli military spokesman Maj. Guy Inbar said Israel and the Palestinian Authority had agreed to set up two working teams to determine how to transfer more goods into Gaza through Israeli-controlled land crossings and to handle international construction projects.
Israel has asked the Palestinian Authority to prioritize education, health and infrastructure projects that it wants built, he said.
Blair: Gaza to get construction material soon

"There will be no civilian closure of Gaza but there will be a security closure," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said after the meeting. "That security closure will be tightened from now on."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ckade-on-gaza-will-only-get-stronger-1.297251

* Time magazine this month: “Gaza’s residents will concede that there is no hunger crisis in the Strip. Residents do love the beach, and the store shelves are stocked. But if you’re focused on starvation, they say, you’re probably missing the point.”
* Time magazine in 2008: “Please spare a thought for the starving Palestinians of Gaza. There are 1.5 million of them, most of them living hand to mouth.”
Mideast Dispatch Archive: Media backtracks on Gaza (& UK Foreign Office chief’s PLO connection)
 

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Let me know when the Red Cross describes the US like this:

14-06-2010
News release 10/103 Gaza closure: not another year!

Geneva/Jerusalem (ICRC) - The hardship faced by Gaza's 1.5 million people cannot be addressed by providing humanitarian aid. The only sustainable solution is to lift the closure.

YouTube - 'Luxury' Mall Opens In Gaza

You two can down play it all you want. It just shows how far you're willing to go to ignore the fact that they can build a mall, stock it. Build fine dining restaurants, fill them. So you can continue to bash Israel.

Very telling. Very interesting. It always amazes how far people will go to protect there ideology, or how much of what they really are, they'll let us all see, just to hold onto that hate.

BTW cubby, your video was posted on YouTube June 3rd. Where are the damning videos from some ladies underwear?

But Finkelstein has it on good authority. And AI is the authority on international law?
 
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Thank you.

I have seen little of Norman Finkelstein, but I had always assumed that he must be some kind of moron, a psychotic idiot...........this vid completely supports that conclusion.
You know what's sad Colpy?

Sometimes he actually makes sense. But as in most cases, it's over shadowed by his moronic babling about AI's re-interpretation of international law and the same sort of willful blindness to some pretty important facts.

He's actually quite a smart guy, sometimes.
 

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Thank you.

I have seen little of Norman Finkelstein, but I had always assumed that he must be some kind of moron, a psychotic idiot...........this vid completely supports that conclusion.


you want to elaborate? simply calling him a "moron" or "psychotic idiot" , simply because he disagrees with your views (you do that a lot) isn't very convincing.
 

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Part of the rules of a blockade involve inspecting the ship for 'weapons' and then the ship and passengers are allowed to continue to their intended port of call, which was Gaza. You are not within International Law if only a few points are followed and the vast majority are ignored.

You would think Israel would publish a list of what it calls 'a weapon'. Sorry list should actually be called a 'books' because it would have many pages.
 

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Thank you.

I have seen little of Norman Finkelstein, but I had always assumed that he must be some kind of moron, a psychotic idiot...........this vid completely supports that conclusion.

So any man telling the truth, you call him "moron" or insane ...etc ?
 

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you want to elaborate? simply calling him a "moron" or "psychotic idiot" , simply because he disagrees with your views (you do that a lot) isn't very convincing.

OK...... A simple task, he is wrong on 5 out of 5 of his intial points.

1. The conditions for a legal blockade are that it be clearly announced and understood, and that is be aimed at forces engaged in hostilities against the blockading nation. Hamas is engaged in hostilities against Israel, and everyone over the age of six in the world knows abot the blockade.....therefore it is legal.. Amenesty International is NOT a ajudicator of International Law........

2. It was not a humanitarian mission only....this is obvious to anyone that has seen the films......the Israelis were attacked by pipe-wielding assailants, some of whom previously stated their desire to become martyrs.....

3. As Finkelstein well knows, boarding a ship in international waters during a legal blockade is, in itself, perfectly legal. Canadians have been doing it since 1990.

4. Good thing the Israelis were carrying handguns, or they would have been beaten to death.........there "up" weapons were PAINTBALL GUNS, fer crying out load......

5. The standard way of enforcing a legal blockade is to board the ship and either search at sea or force her into a friendly port for inspection....this is to avoid damage to the ship and risk to those on board. The Israelis did this with 4 other ships, without incident.

Finkelstein is a psychotic, self-hating moron.

oh, and BTW, where is the wonderful photographic evidence smuggled out by the girl on the flotilla, as yapped about by the idiot Finkelstein?? Oh there was some stuff smuggled and released, and it showed badly hurt Israeli soldiers below decks (rescued from the Islamist attackers by other people on board)

Despite his claims, photographic evidence supporting Finkelstein does not exist....why do you suppose that is???
 
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Part of the rules of a blockade involve inspecting the ship for 'weapons' and then the ship and passengers are allowed to continue to their intended port of call, which was Gaza. You are not within International Law if only a few points are followed and the vast majority are ignored.

That's essentially what they did, the aid was transported to Gaza from Ashdod.

You would think Israel would publish a list of what it calls 'a weapon'. Sorry list should actually be called a 'books' because it would have many pages.


They do. I don't feel like looking it up now but there is some sort of internationally recognized "dual use materials" list that Israel uses.

They do. I don't feel like looking it up now

OK I lied, here it is :lol:

The Wassenaar Arrangement | Homepage

and here's a more comprehensive info source:

Gaza: Lists of Controlled Entry Items 4-Jul-2010
 

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OK...... A simple task, he is wrong on 5 out of 5 of his intial points.

1. The conditions for a legal blockade are that it be clearly announced and understood, and that is be aimed at forces engaged in hostilities against the blockading nation. Hamas is engaged in hostilities against Israel, and everyone over the age of six in the world knows abot the blockade.....therefore it is legal.. Amenesty International is NOT a adjudicator of International Law........

irrelevant that Amnesty International isn't a adjudicator of International Law, they understand International law better than any of us here. Any of us questioning their knowledge is sheer arrogance.
you want to defend a brutal government who cares nothing for human rights over an organization whose sole purpose is to protect human rights. are you a misanthrope like me?

2. It was not a humanitarian mission only....this is obvious to anyone that has seen the films......the Israelis were attacked by pipe-wielding assailants, some of whom previously stated their desire to become martyrs.....

you easily are fed israeli propaganda and do not hesitate at all to believe any of it. it's not even logical, a couple jihadi's with knives want to take on the armed israeli military? :lol:
i believe what happened was a reaction to defend themselves after an unprovoked act of Israeli aggression, it simply makes more sense.

3. As Finkelstein well knows, boarding a ship in international waters during a legal blockade is, in itself, perfectly legal. Canadians have been doing it since 1990.

do you have any links of stories where Canada has boarded ships in international waters? I want to read about some of this.

4. Good thing the Israelis were carrying handguns, or they would have been beaten to death.........there "up" weapons were PAINTBALL GUNS, fer crying out load......

most israeli propaganda.

YouTube - Israeli Attack on Gaza Aid Flotilla - Paintball Guns or Uzis?

5. The standard way of enforcing a legal blockade is to board the ship and either search at sea or force her into a friendly port for inspection....this is to avoid damage to the ship and risk to those on board. The Israelis did this with 4 other ships, without incident.

i'm not sure where you get this is a legal blockade, from what i've been reading it sounds anything but.
The U.N which has been determining the legality of blockades since 1945 actually considers it illegal, as well as the international committee of the red cross.
david cameroon, prime minister of great britain referred to it as a prison camp. even hilary clinton says it's unacceptable.

a quote
Israel allows only limited humanitarian supplies from aid organizations into the Strip.[4] In 2009 the amount of goods Israel allowed into Gaza was one quarter of the pre-blockade flow.

this seems not only illegal but unquestionably immoral.



oh, and BTW, where is the wonderful photographic evidence smuggled out by the girl on the flotilla, as yapped about by the idiot Finkelstein?? Oh there was some stuff smuggled and released, and it showed badly hurt Israeli soldiers below decks (rescued from the Islamist attackers by other people on board)

Despite his claims, photographic evidence supporting Finkelstein does not exist....why do you suppose that is???

New Video Smuggled Out from Mavi Marmara of Israel?s Deadly Assault on Gaza Aid Flotilla : Political Theatrics

here's a women who was on the ship (she really seems like a violent jihadist!! :lol::lol:) who explains what happened on the ship.
other questions come to my mind such as, why if israel was innocent in all of this , why did they feel to the need to confiscate images and videos? as well as afterwards reject an international investigation ??
 

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That's essentially what they did, the aid was transported to Gaza from Ashdod.
That isn't in the actual document, the cargo and passengers are allowed to resume their original course intact. Essentially that did not happen. Israel was even caught selling confiscated laptops. Please supply the relevant words from the document that governs blockade rules?

Hardly allowed to leave under her own 'steam'.
Release and return home

Israeli government decided on July 23, 2010 to release the three ships of the Gaza Freedom flotilla, two of which were forced to moor at the Port of Haifa and the third one at the Port of Ashdod since then. To bring the ships back home, three tugboats were dispatched from Turkey. MV Mavi Marmara was towed by Ocean Ergün in a two-day ride to the Port of Iskenderun arriving an August 7, 2010.[13]
The damage on the ship was visible from far even though nobody was permitted to board her due to investigations underway by the public prosecutor and insurance people. There were some broken windows on the ship and also bullet holes on the glass of the pilothouse. The IHH emblem on the ship's port side was over-painted white.[14] Forensic teams identified some 250 bullet holes in the ship, many of which were painted or plastered over by Israel. [15]
MV Mavi Marmara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
They do. I don't feel like looking it up now but there is some sort of internationally recognized "dual use materials" list that Israel uses.
Would calling you a liar motivate you to supply the list?
They have only ever released a 'partial list' the longer one has about 3,000 more items on it, like steel and cement and wheel-chair batteries..