The "who, what, when, where and why" of American History.
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I agree.
And many other intelligent people who are not liars or crazy, think that Senator Paul Wellstone was in fact assassinated:
Senator Paul Wellstone was a courageous leader.
:roll: Circumstantial evidence is NOT fact. On more than one occasion people have been found guilty of crime based on circumstantial evidence only to be exonerated at a later date when FACTS were finally found. Circumstantial evidence is NOT enough to base a solid, this is the way it is/was, decision. Circumstantial evidence is enough to get the nutbars going, but should NOT be enough to get a true thinking man going.
I agree with one thing, alot of nutbars are motivated by circumstantial evidence -here they are !
Convicting the Innocent
Is this what you mean?
I began this thread because ever since I heard of the death of Michael Ignatieff's Communications Director, I have felt like Dr. Michael I. Niman, who teaches journalism and media studies at Buffalo State College. After Paul Wellstone died, he said,
"Anyone familiar with my work knows that I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist. But to be honest, I know I wasn't alone in my initial reaction at this week's horrible and tragic news: that being my surprise that Wellstone had lived this long. Perhaps it's just my anger and frustration at losing one of the few reputable politicians in Washington, but I also felt shame. Shame for not writing in my column, months ago, that I felt that Paul Wellstone's life, more so than any other politician in Washington, was in danger. I felt that such speculation was unprofessional and would ultimately undermine my credibility. In the end, my own self-interest triumphed, and I never put my concerns into print. Neither did any other mainstream journalist, though I know of many who shared my concern.
When I heard Wellstone's plane went down, I immediately thought of Panamanian General Omar Torrijos, who in 1981 thumbed his nose at the Reagan/Bush administration and threatened to destroy the Panama Canal in the event of a U.S. invasion. Torrijos died shortly thereafter when the instruments in his plane failed to function upon takeoff. Panamanians speculated that the U.S. was involved in the death of the popular dictator, who was replaced by a U.S. intelligence operative, Manuel Noreiga, who previously worked with George Bush Senior. "
As long as we ignore the fact that people are being assassinated, for political reasons, then those who are doing all the killing will continue to get away with murder.
Um, no. It's a dictionary definition.
But carry on, don't let me stop you. It's quite amusing so far, John Lennon/Richard Nixon/Kennedy assassination, it's all going well.
ROFLMFAO......I decided to surf around that site..... that is EXACTLEY what I mean. If that is the site YOU use to back up your "facts", I won't even waste my time on you. Not even to play like Bear is doing.
Obviously not a fact, but some could be of the opinion that this is an excellent example of interpretive wishful thinking by three venturesome newbie's who hadn't yet found the Ignore button. Or not.... Which reminds me.... :::reaching for Ignore bucket...::: PLOP!
What's the thread about anyway? Oh right.... 'Commonsense' nothing beats being witness to events as they unfold for recognizing urban legends or creative history writing masquerading as fact. Events happened yes, but almost all of the 'evil, wily conspirators' as they are later portrayed, were and always will be just rather stupid people who happened to stumble into powerful positions and make very stupid decisions which caused other stupid people to have to try and explain how not stupid they were which, of course, meant lying. Not smart!
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Facts are stubborn things.
People who side-track a discussion with nonsense are amusing.
In fact, you are wasting my time.
The fact you are building a case based on the word of a newshack tells me you may be accustomed to wasted time anyhow.
There are next to no facts on that site. Even the section on the wrongly convicted is full of innuendo and supposition.
Here's something interesting I surfed upon"
[SIZE=+1]"In 1972, actress Veronica Hamel and her then husband became the new owners of Marilyn Monroe's Brentwood home. When they hired a contractor to replace the roof and remodel the house the contractor discovered a sophisticated eavesdropping and telephone tapping system that covered every room in the house. The components were not commercially available in 1962, but were in the words of a retired Justice Department official, "standard FBI issue." The new owners spent $100,000 to remove the bugging devices from the house."[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]That's just one single paragraph.[/SIZE]
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Here's just one paragraph:
[SIZE=+1]"In 1972, actress Veronica Hamel and her then husband became the new owners of Marilyn Monroe's Brentwood home. When they hired a contractor to replace the roof and remodel the house the contractor discovered a sophisticated eavesdropping and telephone tapping system that covered every room in the house. The components were not commercially available in 1962, but were in the words of a retired Justice Department official, "standard FBI issue." The new owners spent $100,000 to remove the bugging devices from the house."[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]That's just one single paragraph.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1]Is there anything in this one paragraph that is not a fact?
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Here's just one paragraph:
"On July 30, 2009, journalist, Randi Kaye posted this story about a Florida man who was convicted of murder in part because of the work of an allegedly infallible scent-tracking dog. He is free now because the dog and the dog’s owner has been exposed as a fraud. Unfortunately for Bill Dillon he had to spend 26 years in prison before the error in his case was rectified."
Is there anything there which is not a fact?
Is there anything there which is not a fact?
We don't have to go that far. Do a factual search of Doctor Smith, Ontario Coroner. Shyte happens everywhere. Real facts are the ones that come up and bite you from behind if you chose to ignore them in the first place.
Geryh....You investigated that site....so did I yesterday...possibly a few others here....so the owner Diane Childs must be laughing at the hits raising the google standard;-) although the site doesn't have a good reputation for spamming the history channel message board:lol:
Here's a paragraph from that site you all like to ridicule, is there anything here that is not factual?
"Tim Cole was sentenced to 25 years in prison on charges that he raped a Texas Tech student in 1985, but DNA from the crime scene showed last year that a convicted rapist, not Cole, had committed the crime. The vindication is bittersweet: Cole died in prison in 1999. He was 38 years old."
"Tim Cole was sentenced to 25 years in prison on charges that he raped a Texas Tech student in 1985, but DNA from the crime scene showed last year that a convicted rapist, not Cole, had committed the crime. The vindication is bittersweet: Cole died in prison in 1999. He was 38 years old."
Are any of them proven as fact? I write fiction. Any of my paragraphs could be presented. Does that make them facts?
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